Hard and Fast Questing

[Sindaleus]

Hello community goers. I recently started DDO. While I received a /tell to join a party for a chaptered quest series, I naturally accepted the invitation. However, load and behold, while partying with this group, I was introduced to bliz quest running. The twist was not everyone was keeping up. The two meleers in the party raced ahead and within a few minutes later he dies while the party is still gathering inside the quest entrance. When anyone attempted to rescue the meleer the party their confronted with a concentrated group of mobs that the meleers failed to kill along their merry path to the finale end, then asks to be taken to the shrine if possible.

The said meleers gets rescued with a near death struggle (lacking melee class support) by the remaining party members. The party manages to get them ressurected. Once they've rested and potion heal up their off racing ahead again. The whole scenario repeats again. After the quest chapter was completed. One meleer says "Sorry, I shouldn't run ahead." Feeling invested to finish the quest chapters, to at least get the end rewarded, I continued on. The said meleers races ahead again and dies. Do you see the trend, or should I continue?

At the end, or whenever a meleer died, as the Cleric, I got the brunt end of the stick from their complains for not getting healed. I was put-off by their complaints. I served my role well to those within casting distance. Afterwards, from my experience, that the invested quest chapter progress doesn't justify the experience gain with such hassle from party members over their inconciderate playstyle and questing method.

Heres what I want to know. Is this the trend for doing quests in DDO? Doing Hard or Elite, and with spell fizzle rate, it places a higher dependency on meleers to fill the ranks in the party for quest completion. Maybe not every quest. but I would bet the majority are. Is frequently happening in DDO, or not, because its making me re-think my approach on playing and partying in-game.

I didnt get the 911 on it, so I'm asking.

[jaitee]

lol this is why you shouldnt start a cleric as your 1st character, but in any case, as i said in a post before, clerics are hard for new beginners in DDO, simply because they do not regen like other games

maybe next time speak up, and tell that melee to stop or die?

but yes, this is the trend of the game ~ run run run, kill kill kill, win

its not as bad as it sounds, the game is fun, just get to know it and give it some time

im not sure if you can put "looking for a slow group" in the LFM anymore as it might be a exploit, LOL

[Sindaleus]

lol this is why you shouldnt start a cleric as your 1st character, but in any case, as i said in a post before, clerics are hard for new beginners in DDO, simply because they do not regen like other games

Where's that warning label over these classes, lol.

Yeah. I'll speak up next time around. I have to say not all meleers are like this, I must have had the cream of the crop experience.

[Aspenor]

Next time pick up his stone, and make sure to drop it just out of range of the nearest shrine, so he is tantalized by the possibility of being ressurected and can just barely not make it to the shrine.

Then just leave him there and move on

[jaitee]

Where's that warning label over these classes, lol.

Yeah. I'll speak up next time around. I have to say not all meleers are like this, I must have had the cream of the crop experience.

there isnt a label, but i guess you could look at it as, because in this game, you do not regen like most games, healers are a bit more challenging to play

worst part is at low lvls, when you have a small spell pool and just started the game

[frugal_gourmet]

IMO, this has got nothing to do with clerics being hard to play. Your teammates are just lousy players. Despite your newness, you already sound better at the game than them.

Fighers can heal too. It's not exactly rocket science to drink a potion. Nor is it rocket science to figure out the quest is easier with actual help from other players.

[Forceonature]

Next time pick up his stone, and make sure to drop it just out of range of the nearest shrine, so he is tantalized by the possibility of being ressurected and can just barely not make it to the shrine.

Then just leave him there and move on

I've had a friend of mine do this "safer for everyone if you stay in my backpack" approach once. The player did exactly the same thing as the OP's antagonist did. He told him "after we finish this quest, I'll take you back to the res shrine. You'll still get your chests and the end reward, but you're killing us by continously zerging ahead."

Don't worry, it's rare that you get a player like that.

[jaitee]

I've had a friend of mine do this "safer for everyone if you stay in my backpack" approach once. The player did exactly the same thing as the OP's antagonist did. He told him "after we finish this quest, I'll take you back to the res shrine. You'll still get your chests and the end reward, but you're killing us by continously zerging ahead."

Don't worry, it's rare that you get a player like that.

lol rare? i run across one of those atleast 5 times a day

[Avelin]

IMO, this has got nothing to do with clerics being hard to play. Your teammates are just lousy players. Despite your newness, you already sound better at the game than them.

Fighers can heal too. It's not exactly rocket science to drink a potion. Nor is it rocket science to figure out the quest is easier with actual help from other players.

I agree. The players running ahead are at fault here. Do not be discouraged. Not everyone plays that way. The ones that zerg ahead should not do so if they are not equipped to handle it alone. I can see if you are level 16 and are doing level 6 elite quests for favor. Then yeah, it should be expected that everyone will be zergging around. Most people don't run ahead unless they are experienced enough to handle it. It sounds like the one's you ran with here were not very experienced and shouldn't be running ahead. They even said it themselves. I would have let them die and if you happened to come accross his or her stone, pick it up and take it with you. If you happen upon a shrine, then he or she gets to play again. If not, then he or she learned a lesson in how to play as a party.

[Tahlyn]

Don't worry, it's rare that you get a player like that.

You're kidding right?

[Milolyen]

Best thing you can do is let the group know you are new to the game from the start. A lot of times I will ask if anyone is new to the quests because I do like to zerg ahead if everyone knows it. However when someone is new I will ask if they want a guide or want to figure it out themselves and play my char accordingly. There was nothing I hated more when I first started 2 years ago than to get in a zerging group that ruined the experience for me and so I try and respect others experience as well. Also ... next time you run into an idiot like that just tell them "stop playing stupid and trying to solo everything because odviously you can't. If you want to stop dieing then stop running off." Then if he continues you either don't take him to a shrine till after the quest is over as punishment for playing stupid or just leave/reform the group without that player. From what I read you just need to learn it is okay to be an @$$ some times because that is the only thing a guy like that will understand. I promise you leave his stone and continue quest without him said player will either recall out and drop group or learn his leason and either way he is done being a pest in that group.

Milolyen

[jaitee]

i would think a cleric in DDO would be one of the harder classes to play, im not here to debate, but people kinda look upon clerics to heal, rather the person is zerging or not, or taking too much damage

the OP said he got complaints about them not being healed, i said its a hard class to play, simply because it is, a bad party or not, this is the trend in DDO, more players zerg then take their time, as a example of the OP, players zerging, as he is a new player which is a cleric, which will mean it will be super tough on him

as he also mentions, asking if this game is based on melees, "spell fizzle rate", assuming this is referring to spam heals, well pretty much as a new player he wont be able to spam heal 24/7

and thats the truth, their are, at least in my experience, zerg zerg zerg, and less smelling flowers

[Tahlyn]

Best thing you can do is let the group know you are new to the game from the start. A lot of times I will ask if anyone is new to the quests because I do like to zerg ahead if everyone knows it. However when someone is new I will ask if they want a guide or want to figure it out themselves and play my char accordingly. There was nothing I hated more when I first started 2 years ago than to get in a zerging group that ruined the experience for me and so I try and respect others experience as well.
Milolyen

Good Man. Meet Me at the tavern I'll buy you a drink.

[arminius]

The answer to this, and frankly most DDO interpersonal issues, is this:

Guild.


Thank you, thank you, no applause necessary.

Please pay the receptionist on the way out.

_

[Cadaia]

I have my rules posted in my cleric's bio. When people join my groups, I make sure they read them and "sign the EULA" by typing /signed or /agreed in party chat. It turns into a rather humorous conversation usually. Here's what her bio says:

Here's my rules.
1. Stick Together!
2. If you fail to adhere to Rule 1, you may miss out on buffs and/or lose the Privelege of receiving my healing gifts.
3. If you run ahead, get in trouble, and kite mobs back to the group, you most definitely lose the Privelege of receiving my healing gifts.
4. It's expensive to be a Cleric. Donations are graciously accepted.
5. Review Rule 1 again.
Thank you for grouping with me.

[Cruzer]

i would think a cleric in DDO would be one of the harder classes to play, im not here to debate, but people kinda look upon clerics to heal, rather the person is zerging or not, or taking too much damage

the OP said he got complaints about them not being healed, i said its a hard class to play, simply because it is, a bad party or not, this is the trend in DDO, more players zerg then take their time, as a example of the OP, players zerging, as he is a new player which is a cleric, which will mean it will be super tough on him

as he also mentions, asking if this game is based on melees, "spell fizzle rate", assuming this is referring to spam heals, well pretty much as a new player he wont be able to spam heal 24/7

and thats the truth, their are, at least in my experience, zerg zerg zerg, and less smelling flowers

Clerics aren't too difficult. I suppose with new players and bad groups they can be difficult if you let the complainers get to you. Back about a year and a half ago I had someone who wanted to stop playing their cleric because he basically made a healbot type cleric and he wasn't required to do a lot of healing. Aside from the SHROUD raid, being a cleric is neither very tough or expensive... it just depends on the level of stupidity you care to put up with in groups. My ranger or barbarian are way more expensive to play than my cleric.

[DoctorWhofan]

Hello community goers. I recently started DDO. While I received a /tell to join a party for a chaptered quest series, I naturally accepted the invitation. However, load and behold, while partying with this group, I was introduced to bliz quest running. The twist was not everyone was keeping up. The two meleers in the party raced ahead and within a few minutes later he dies while the party is still gathering inside the quest entrance. When anyone attempted to rescue the meleer the party their confronted with a concentrated group of mobs that the meleers failed to kill along their merry path to the finale end, then asks to be taken to the shrine if possible.

The said meleers gets rescued with a near death struggle (lacking melee class support) by the remaining party members. The party manages to get them ressurected. Once they've rested and potion heal up their off racing ahead again. The whole scenario repeats again. After the quest chapter was completed. One meleer says "Sorry, I shouldn't run ahead." Feeling invested to finish the quest chapters, to at least get the end rewarded, I continued on. The said meleers races ahead again and dies. Do you see the trend, or should I continue?

At the end, or whenever a meleer died, as the Cleric, I got the brunt end of the stick from their complains for not getting healed. I was put-off by their complaints. I served my role well to those within casting distance. Afterwards, from my experience, that the invested quest chapter progress doesn't justify the experience gain with such hassle from party members over their inconciderate playstyle and questing method.

Heres what I want to know. Is this the trend for doing quests in DDO? Doing Hard or Elite, and with spell fizzle rate, it places a higher dependency on meleers to fill the ranks in the party for quest completion. Maybe not every quest. but I would bet the majority are. Is frequently happening in DDO, or not, because its making me re-think my approach on playing and partying in-game.

I didnt get the 911 on it, so I'm asking.

You are on Thelanis, good for you! Cleric is your first character good for you! You play like I play, so good for you! I play alot of clerics so here is my advice if you fall into that situation:

1. Say "I'm New" when you join the party.
2. Ask how they are going to do it, fast or slow. If fast, back out immediatally!
3. If slow, and melees run ahaed without waiting for the party, ignore them. Take care of the party that is sticking together. If the whine about it to the point of accusing you of being a bad cleric, apologise to the rest of the party and then drop.
4. Many self-healers (pot drinkers) think they can handle anything. Smart ones will wait for buffs then race off, stupid ones won't.
5. Finally, if they leave you behind, lost, drop group!!

No, most parties do not run like that. If they do, they will announce it. You accepted a request from a guy who did not tell you that he zergs, rather stupidly zerging I might add. Not your fault. Bad PuG. If you need a group or help, I'll PM my alts and I can assure you that I do not zerg, or be stupid (Quiet Ringos!), and is known for having patience of a saint towards new people. I like new people, new people are fun play the game with!

[Premier]

Grouping gets better at higher levels. Zerging is still prevailent but they'll at least wait for buffs! You're doing everything right so keep it up! Peace!

-Premier

[JacknCoke]

Next time just tell them "I dont heal stupid" or tell him "if you keep running off ill cary your stone but I'm not waisting my mana or resources on you" and leave it at that.

[Spectralist]

Is it a trend? Well, yeah it is. But not one that everyone ascribes too. And, fortunately, most people who run ahead like that manage it better then the fellow you were playing with. Or maybe it's just that i'm usually up there with them helping out.

Look at it from our perspective too though. Waiting is boring. Sadly this game has a lot of waiting. And a great deal of it is due to other players simply being slow. After a while enough just gets to be enough and i, and many others, just aren't waiting for it anymore. And by 'it' of course i mean all the tiny little pointless pauses. Kill a group of enemies, half the players stand around for 30 seconds for no discernible reason; form a group and 1-2 players will take 3 minutes longer to get there then everyone else; loot a chest and 1-3 players usually ends up standing there looking at it for a good 20 seconds. And then theres the annoying habit people have of all standing around seemingly waiting for someone else to lead the way.

That doesn't excuse someone incompetent enough get themselves killed constantly though. But then when he started to run forward why didn't everyone follow him?

healers are a bit more challenging to play

I really don't think they're any more challenging to play. They're just more likely to be blamed, and occasionally verbally attacked, for someone else's stupidity. Indeed with how many twinkies there are fighting through the first few levels nowadays you can often see people go several quests with barely taking more then a dozen damage.