Mod 7: DPS Rogue

[sigtrent]

A TWF rogue could probably out DPS you given equal sneak attack opportunites, but its not a bad build by any streach. I have a rogue which was built for THF originaly but in the end TWF just turned out to be much more powerfull for him.

I also would skip SF DD, and possible the dragonmark but the rest of it is decent. You don't really have good agro control but you can handle a bit of agro and should do decent damage even when you get agro.

I find all the extreem gear and tomes and such tends to kind of obscure the foundation of a build which is what builds are about really.

[Aspenor]

I'm going to have to agree with the above posters that you will find your sneak attack damage rarely working due to the THF nature of the build. Until you get your hands on a radiance II green steel, you'll be a second rate squishy thf with no DR.

A real DPS rogue uses TWF, as TWF will outdamage THF over time.

[Accelerando]

And accelerando, no i didnt say anything to you about TWF rogues, considering i hadnt posted for a week. Toughness also could be subbed in for a combat feat like stunning blow and that switched to a toughness. OR any other feat. Improved fient requires CE. Which is a waste of a feat on a build that will most likely be in robes.

Well... i think having Imp Feint is worth the waste of having CE, especially when you already plan to waste a feat on SF DD. Trust me you are going to need those extra sneaks to keep this character in DPS as you ARE going to draw aggro off of most tanks out there. The added damage from your sneak attacks is just too massive. The combo of Imp Feint, Bluff, and Diplo is going to keep you in constant SA which is to your advantage of course.

And if you are really looking to do damage and ensure the blindness from the Radience II greensteel I would still go TWF and grab a couple of khopeshes, but that's just me.

[Stealthbr]

I actually find halflings the best assassins as they get a bonus to their sneaking skills, a +1 to hit from creation, sneak attack dmg enhancements, and +to hit while flanking enhancements.

[Accelerando]

I actually find halflings the best assassins as they get a bonus to their sneaking skills, a +1 to hit from creation, sneak attack dmg enhancements, and +to hit while flanking enhancements.

+1 to hit... -2 str.... same same my friend.

[oronisi]

+1 to hit... -2 str.... same same my friend.

Not if you are dex-based and use weapon finesse.

[Accelerando]

Not if you are dex-based and use weapon finesse.

Then you would not be DPS.

[oronisi]

Then you would not be DPS.

There is more than one way to generate DPS.....but I'm thinking that may be lost on you.

[nbhs275]

Then you would not be DPS.

It would be DPS based mostly upon SA, but in the end its the same effect if they arent picking up aggro nearly as much as the str based.

Also, in mod 7 halflings will also get +8 SA damage.

[Accelerando]

It would be DPS based mostly upon SA, but in the end its the same effect if they arent picking up aggro nearly as much as the str based.

Also, in mod 7 halflings will also get +8 SA damage.

True but the +8 SA damage does not make up for consistent damage due to high str. It is a nice boost for halflings though. (Mine will love it).

[Accelerando]

There is more than one way to generate DPS.....but I'm thinking that may be lost on you.

Wrong and rude.

[Gunga]

There is more than one way to generate DPS.....but I'm thinking that may be lost on you.

Im curious as to what you think is more important than strength for a DPS build.

[LawstCawz]

Im curious as to what you think is more important than strength for a DPS build.

I'm assuming he's referring to stat damage, but it is just a twist on the word. I'd say a good way to gauge your dps is on a red or purple named. He probably means there's more than one way to make a mob drop dead.

[Gunga]

I'm assuming he's referring to stat damage, but it is just a twist on the word. I'd say a good way to gauge your dps is on a red or purple named. He probably means there's more than one way to make a mob drop dead.

Right, right. Still, in ANY mob or boss situation, what's more important than stregnth in terms of DPS? His point might be lost on everyone.

[ghale]

There is more than one way to generate DPS.....but I'm thinking that may be lost on you.

Please enlighten us on how Dex can generate more DPS than Str. Was a new feat added to let your Dex bonus be added to damage that we are all unaware of?

[Borror0]

Also, in mod 7 halflings will also get +8 SA damage.

They get +12 actually...

True but the +8 SA damage does not make up for consistent damage due to high str. It is a nice boost for halflings though. (Mine will love it).

Not consistent, but it's still more damage than the one lost from lower Str.

[sigtrent]

Im curious as to what you think is more important than strength for a DPS build.

Well. The +8 damage from the halfling sneak attack line would require +16 strenght to match. If you can find me a way to get +16 strength for 16 AP and a differet racial choice I'll me mighty impressed.

Damage comes wherever you can get it really. Strength is one factor but there are lots of other ones that provide more damage than strenght can.

[LawstCawz]

Going twf over max str is good, though they do have a positive correlation.

[EinarMal]

They get +12 actually...



Not consistent, but it's still more damage than the one lost from lower Str.

Re-read it is +8, the new Rogue ones are +12 but halfling is still +2 per level.

[EinarMal]

Well. The +8 damage from the halfling sneak attack line would require +16 strenght to match. If you can find me a way to get +16 strength for 16 AP and a differet racial choice I'll me mighty impressed.

Damage comes wherever you can get it really. Strength is one factor but there are lots of other ones that provide more damage than strenght can.

Well we both know that is not quite accurate, no one gets 100% sneak attack swings and sometimes it is zero (many many undead quests). The good thing about having better base damage is you don't have to worry quite as much if you miss a few sneak attacks.

It is also not free, by going dex you lose a feat, which you could use to take something that also increases DPS as well. You also can use weapons like khopesh which generally are better DPS weapons if you choose to do so. So, even with a halfling going dex isn't "free" in a lot of ways in terms of DPS.