Making a brand new char - what BtC to farm?

**Fauxknight** · 04-24-2023, 06:08 PM

I just close the game and reload back in the dungeon, fixes it every time.

**Eantarus** · 04-24-2023, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by ShifterThePirate

Ring of Spell Storing might be nice! And pretty easy to get after the changes.

ROSS is BTA now.

FYI you can have Heroic, Epic, and Legendary in your inventory, which restores a very pleasant amount of SP.

**Silverleafeon** · 04-24-2023, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by mikarddo

I am making a new alt mostly to play as a caster. I have lots of BtA gear - but what BtC stuff should I farm as I cannot share it from existing storage?

On my list to farm I have the following:
- Jibbers [farm is a strong word, but run when able to for xp in epics]
- Ioun Stones (200 spell point and 50 spell absorb)
- Jewelled Cloak (spell absorb)
- GS 3xpos item for heal amp (swap in to use with heal scrolls)
- LGS Affirmation weapon (very nice to use for level 26-cap)
- LGS Spell Crit Mult item (30% is cheap, 35% uses large ings)
- Greater Harper Pin
- Estar Key

Anything else you wouldn't go without if doing a good deal of lives on a character?

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Fancy Horse to prance around town upon also Bta

Decent Guild that appreciates you making renown while you try out your next life instead of raiding on Friday night

https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Xachosian_Eardweller because you can link it while waiting for a raid to fill up and wonder why you don't trash it to make room

https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Royal_Guard_Mask It is not bound, but you are likely to bind it to prevent damage if this is a multi-life toon.

https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Epic_Mask_of_Comedy BTA but nice to have one where you can find it easy

https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Legend...een_Steel_Helm A set of four or five pieces of Mat + Opposition creating a few with Nightshield clickies

Other sources of Nightshield/Shield clickies

Buy your potions/scrolls unbound, they are so much easier to clear to a potion toon via shared bank.

https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Sword_of_Shadow Heroic and Epic Version with a Sentient Gem on the Epic version if only to toss magical gear into

https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Pansophic_Circlet Bta but keep someplace where you can find it easy

https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Stone_Shoes Bta but good for Tempest Spine raid end fight

https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Cannit..._of_Propulsion Bta but you want to carry these on your toon

https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Wind_Howler_Bracers or unbound Scrolls of Gust of Wind for Ravenloft

Unbound Scrolls of Ice Storm and Fireball for Orchard and other places that require you to light things on fire

Heroic Sharn Set that you like Bta but you need to have on a toon that you can transfer quickly to shared bank

https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Keylock_Ring and other prominent trapping items Bta but good for those trapper lives you will do keep track of location

https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Legend...ickering_Steel Bta but keep for raiding and other situations

https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Bracelet_of_Friends

https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Pale_L...(unsuppressed) already mentioned but remember easy to get by soloing Dreaming Dark three times and checking out end rewards via NPC

Get https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Sustaining_Symbiont & https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Shard_of_Xoriat because The Sane Asylum is such good xp if you learn it.

https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Strinati%27s_Hand_Cannon for your Arty lives

https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Skyvau...eld_(Level_14) In case you make a Sorcerer who uses Tower Shields just because you can

A stack of Thief tools to hand out to the player who ran out.

A stack of unbound Heal Scrolls

A stack of unbound Resurrection Scrolls

A Bunny Hat from the DDO store

Things you can not get but might have: MotU mask, Festival resist fire/cold on cosmetics.

**Silverleafeon** · 04-24-2023, 09:21 PM

Some things on this list are not as important if you have other things on this list.

For examples:

If you have the Stormreach d12 then the Royal Mask will be rarely used.

If you have some Deathward clickies then others are not needed.

On the other hand, as I overhead in a raid, "The Legendary Ring of Spell Storing is so good, even my Barbarian has one!"

Be sure and pick up Large Ingredient Bags from Vale Favor for several lives, invest in the bank, and backpack space, and also buy the biggest Augment, ingredient, and Collectable bag in the DDO store.

Also, those Shards of Power from Devil's Assault can be crafted into craftable trinkets.
Do enough lives and you can make all sorts of Greensteel clickies or even triple acid absorptions daggers if you want.

**cru121** · 04-25-2023, 02:24 AM

FoM flask

**mikarddo** · 04-25-2023, 02:55 AM

Originally Posted by ShifterThePirate

Ring of Spell Storing might be nice! And pretty easy to get after the changes.

Those are BtA and I have several already - but I may have to farm some more. Last time I farmed 8 in 3 hours so they are indeed very easy to get.

**mikarddo** · 04-25-2023, 02:57 AM

Originally Posted by bracelet

For 10 through as much as 20 depending how lazy you are, you can get the Barovian scepter after Into the mists. You can even run through on casual if you are struggling on a first lifer. It’s a huge step up for all nukers at 10.

I already have BtA gear - mostly forum posts - but indeed, the Barovian is nice. I can run R1 even on a first lifer due to gear and a bit of knowledge

**Bjond** · 04-25-2023, 02:59 AM

I can (maybe) help you trim that list. I barely use any BTC gear -- pretty much only Jibbers & Jewelled. Here's what to NOT farm & why:

Jibbers [farm is a strong word, but run when able to for xp in epics]

You've already got the right attitude there on "farming" this one. It's nice and handy, but not worth crystal-rerolls or a dedicated farm push unless you're on a raid character that might naturally want T5 Crusader. A character with Mass-Res is greatly enhanced by jibbers -- far FAR more than other characters.

Jewelled Cloak (spell absorb)
Greater Harper Pin
Estar Key

These happen by themselves. No need to farm them. Jewelled is regularly offered as a saga reward, though only the epic-normal variety. Pin & Key come from one run through the E.Star quests. I do that every epic life. Would take a bit more deliberate questing on your part if those aren't part of your regular leveling experience.

Skip IOUNs. You'll have Jeweled naturally from GH Saga leveling.

GS 3xpos item for heal amp (swap in to use with heal scrolls)
LGS Affirmation weapon (very nice to use for level 26-cap)
LGS Spell Crit Mult item (30% is cheap, 35% uses large ings)

Skip these completely. I've never had to use a heal-scroll for healing on any char, epic or heroic, but particularly never in heroics. I've only read about people doing it and then only in posts from 10 years ago. I still pack a stack with every char, but I almost never use them. GS specifically for that is a lot of extra work for nothing.

I also run without LGS while leveling and just blow through sub-cap quests on R1~4. Those are safe to skip. If you have mats to burn, go for it, but those are definitely not worth a farming effort -- particularly because at cap on a caster you'll likely wear dino-gear, which also has extra crit multipliers + stats + augment slots.

BTW, you won't be able to play as a caster while TR'ing unless you are going to forgo 1st-time bonuses and stick to cycling through EPLs only. As soon as you want HPLs, too (eg. classic combo life of 1x EPL > 1x IPL+HPL), you'll have lives that prevent you from taking more than 9 or 10 levels in your desired caster class. A caster without levels is going to have a very hard life indeed.

Here's what I have spent on new characters, either immediately or shortly after I found myself wanting PLs:

Supreme Tomes; fantastic for opening build opportunities.
Skill Tomes; v.nice for key skills and always for UMD (tome skills count for build gates, eg. balance tome unlocks SWF)
XP Tomes (heroic & epic); puts the bonus in first time BONUS
Huge Bags; no need to fuss with inventory outside natural break-points
More Bank & Inventory; permits skipping favor while char is young, vital when older & TR cache gets BIG

**mikarddo** · 04-25-2023, 03:00 AM

Originally Posted by cru121

FoM flask

Aye, I need to remember to buy one of those when they are available. Good point.

**jirksa** · 04-25-2023, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by mikarddo

- LGS Affirmation weapon (very nice to use for level 26-cap)

I believe IoD weapons can have the same effect if I am not mistaken and are a lot easier to farm the ingredients for.

**mikarddo** · 04-25-2023, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by jirksa

I believe IoD weapons can have the same effect if I am not mistaken and are a lot easier to farm the ingredients for.

Those are ML31 though and I have several made. The point is to have Affirmation for leveling, and that means LGS which sadly is BtC otherwise I could use one of the ones I already have on other characters.

**mikarddo** · 04-25-2023, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by Bjond

GS 3xpos item for heal amp (swap in to use with heal scrolls)
LGS Affirmation weapon (very nice to use for level 26-cap)
LGS Spell Crit Mult item (30% is cheap, 35% uses large ings)

Skip these completely. I've never had to use a heal-scroll for healing on any char, epic or heroic, but particularly never in heroics. I've only read about people doing it and then only in posts from 10 years ago. I still pack a stack with every char, but I almost never use them. GS specifically for that is a lot of extra work for nothing.

Interesting.

I use several full stacks of Heal scrolls every life when playing a sorc duoing with a Barb friend healing him and myself during heroics. I dont use them in epics though as there are other means of healing. Are you able to solo R2-4 in heroics on a sorc without needing any healing at all? If you are then you are a much better player than I am. Or, are you always in full groups with a bard (heal song) and someone else taking the damage and/or healing you?

In epics having Affirmation means near zero healing is needed doing R4s. It would obviously be doable without but the difference is pretty big for me.

**mikarddo** · 04-25-2023, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by Bjond

BTW, you won't be able to play as a caster while TR'ing unless you are going to forgo 1st-time bonuses and stick to cycling through EPLs only. As soon as you want HPLs, too (eg. classic combo life of 1x EPL > 1x IPL+HPL), you'll have lives that prevent you from taking more than 9 or 10 levels in your desired caster class. A caster without levels is going to have a very hard life indeed.

I already have one racial/heroic/4x epic completionist and another with ~10 lives to go for that.

This character will likely just play 1 racial + 2-3 epic PL each go completely ignoring heroic and iconic lives - and thus be able to play casters every life.
He might end up replacing the "near-zero PL" and sub 25 reaper points mediocre raid tank I have atm once he gets a good deal of EPL and reaper points.

**cru121** · 04-25-2023, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by mikarddo

Interesting.

I use several full stacks of Heal scrolls every life when playing a sorc duoing with a Barb friend healing him and myself during heroics. I dont use them in epics though as there are other means of healing. Are you able to solo R2-4 in heroics on a sorc without needing any healing at all? If you are then you are a much better player than I am. Or, are you always in full groups with a bard (heal song) and someone else taking the damage and/or healing you?

I often run with a bot bard. I don't use many heal scrolls these days but I do keep them as an inventory slot consolidation to heal the occasional blindness or ability damage.

**mikarddo** · 04-25-2023, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by cru121

I often run with a bot bard. I don't use many heal scrolls these days but I do keep them as an inventory slot consolidation to heal the occasional blindness or ability damage.

Absolute, when I take one of my bot bards (levels 7, 12, 17, 24 and 30) along I do not need much healing apart from the song either. But sometimes its just more hassle to bring the extra character than to simply use scrolls, imho.

**Bjond** · 04-25-2023, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by mikarddo

solo R2-4 in heroics on a sorc without needing any healing at all?

Ah, I never do more than R1 in heroics. There's just no point. Hire heals work great in heroics. They really don't start dying all the time until L20+, which may be more due to my cranking the skulls up a little there than to dumb hire antics.

I usually do R4 leveling in epics with higher reaper @ cap. I've tried Tilo's R4~6 via legendaries during epic leveling, too -- it works, but it's also kinda particular about both build and groups (special build and an amenable group). If you have a static group, this is actually an extremely viable option as it delivers a much higher xp+rxp rate than the more classic R4 to cap then R8+.

**Silverleafeon** · 04-25-2023, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by mikarddo

Those are ML31 though and I have several made. The point is to have Affirmation for leveling, and that means LGS which sadly is BtC otherwise I could use one of the ones I already have on other characters.

If you don't mind using the DDO store, you can lift the Legendary Greensteel Augments, place them into the shared bank then earn enough via shroud to purchase a Legendary Greensteel Weapon/Item and place those same Augments inside of it.

**Cildar** · 04-25-2023, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by axel15810

- voice of the master
- harper pin
- greensteel raise dead/displacement clickies
- eveningstar key

All I can think of atm that has not been mentioned.

I would farm up a few Master's Gifts and along the way grab a Ratcatcher.

**Silverleafeon** · 04-27-2023, 10:40 AM

Since your long-term goal might be a tank, I recommend you look at B-Sword options along the way and bank them.

Paladins really like
https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Divini...glord%27s_Goal
from the Strad Raid and you are likely to run across a few put up for roll so snag one just in case you later fancy one of the Pally builds such as Poison Pally 18/Fighter 1/Wizard 1 or other variations.

It is min level 28 but is still relevant until the level cap goes up a few more times, even then it will be an interesting leveling-up weapon.

**mikarddo** · 04-27-2023, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Bjond

Ah, I never do more than R1 in heroics. There's just no point. Hire heals work great in heroics. They really don't start dying all the time until L20+, which may be more due to my cranking the skulls up a little there than to dumb hire antics.

I usually run R1 1-10, then R2 most of the time with some R3-4 for 11-20. I find hirelings to be more trouble than using Heal scrolls by a good margin but ymmw obviously.

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