GoRaiders TR to 34 point build

[whereispowderedsilve]

Ok so want to TR my 1st life 28 point Drow GoRaiders 18 bard 1 barb 1 fighter THF (mostly using great swords & Great Axes)
just looking to do some heroic past lives so was thinking like 12 fighter/6 bard or 8 bard /2 something else? or like 12 barb / 6 or 8 bard / 2 something else? Anyone have the time/effort & energy to go over feats/skill points/enhancements? I am coming back from a 9 or 10 year hiatus. would be happy with just doing hard difficulty or elite/R1s only. I did install the character builder so can use that. (only have +2 tomes)

Will be in a static group/guild/friends. NOT soloing. Any other questions feel free to ask. After the melee lives would like to be a Bard again in some way shape or form.

Any input/feedback/opinions would be greatly appreciated!

EDIT: Instead of Class Past lives apparently I need to get Racial instead? I don't think/not sure if that was a thing back from 9 or 10 years ago in 2014/2015 when I stopped playing.

EDIT2: Or apparently I should get some pally past lives.

EDIT3: and would prefer to not dump CHA & max out UMD as well.

[whereispowderedsilve]

I'll take ANY 34 point multiclass melee build at this point.

Just please consider having all the feats & skill points & enhancements etc.

[C-Dog]

First welcome back!

...
EDIT: Instead of Class Past lives apparently I need to get Racial instead?

EDIT2: Or apparently I should get some pally past lives.

EDIT3: and would prefer to not dump CHA & max out UMD as well.

I think you're not getting a response because your request is all over the map, and as a result it's not clear at all what you (think you) want.

Yes, you can now get Racial Past Lives (started mid 2017 or so). 3 tiers of each race, each tier gives (in order) +1 to a specific Skill/+1 to a specific Ability boost/+1 generic Racial AP point (spendable in whatever your current Racial tree is!). And, yes, this quickly gives you more than 80 AP to play with (assuming your current Racial Enhancement tree is worth spit.) So, 3 RR's of the same race = a nice set of bonuses, but to get Racial Completionist you need 3 of each of 14 races, 42 total (assuming no new races while you're chasing that! ).

o See: https://ddowiki.com/page/Racial_Past_Life_Feats

Otoh, Class past lives give a small boost (that can be stacked max 3 times), and Class/Heroic Completionist only requires 1 of each of the 15 classes, done. (And the new "Archetypes" now give a wildly varying alternative to chasing each of those 6 classes!)

(Also, just fyi, these 2 Completionists stack, and both are "auto-granted" - no need to decide whether/when to fill a Feat slot to "take" them, if you've earned them they're there automagically now.)


Lastly, if you have access to any Iconic classes, those will get a "double past life" bonus - one Iconic PL plus one (standard) Heroic/Class PL, by going to 30 and then doing an Iconic Reincarnation. And some Iconic PL perks are kinda nice. An IR resets the hero, just like a classic TR, and then you can start a new life either as a new Heroic build or new Iconic build.

o https://ddowiki.com/page/Iconic_Past_Life_Feats

So...

Do you want a Racial template (a single build that you can plug (most?) any race into), or a Heroic Template (sim that you can plug diff Classes into), or do you want a Fighter-dominant build (fighter PL), or a Bard-dominant, or a Paladin??? Or what?

Note - there is no single "correct" or "best" approach to all this - pick a goal, short-, medium- or long-term, and start your march.

(See these related discussions, might help:
o https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...ace-gt-True-TR
& priorities for casual TR'ing https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...=1#post6263134
& https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showth...=1#post6548066
& diff Iconic PL's: https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showth...=1#post6577157 )

[whereispowderedsilve]

First welcome back!


I think you're not getting a response because your request is all over the map, and as a result it's not clear at all what you (think you) want.

Yes, you can now get Racial Past Lives (started mid 2017 or so). 3 tiers of each race, each tier gives (in order) +1 to a specific Skill/+1 to a specific Ability boost/+1 generic Racial AP point (spendable in whatever your current Racial tree is!). And, yes, this quickly gives you more than 80 AP to play with (assuming your current Racial Enhancement tree is worth spit.) So, 3 RR's of the same race = a nice set of bonuses, but to get Racial Completionist you need 3 of each of 14 races, 42 total (assuming no new races while you're chasing that! ).

o See: https://ddowiki.com/page/Racial_Past_Life_Feats

Otoh, Class past lives give a small boost (that can be stacked max 3 times), and Class/Heroic Completionist only requires 1 of each of the 15 classes, done. (And the new "Archetypes" now give a wildly varying alternative to chasing each of those 6 classes!)

(Also, just fyi, these 2 Completionists stack, and both are "auto-granted" - no need to decide whether/when to fill a Feat slot to "take" them, if you've earned them they're there automagically now.)


Lastly, if you have access to any Iconic classes, those will get a "double past life" bonus - one Iconic PL plus one (standard) Heroic/Class PL, by going to 30 and then doing an Iconic Reincarnation. And some Iconic PL perks are kinda nice. An IR resets the hero, just like a classic TR, and then you can start a new life either as a new Heroic build or new Iconic build.

o https://ddowiki.com/page/Iconic_Past_Life_Feats

So...

Do you want a Racial template (a single build that you can plug (most?) any race into), or a Heroic Template (sim that you can plug diff Classes into), or do you want a Fighter-dominant build (fighter PL), or a Bard-dominant, or a Paladin??? Or what?

Note - there is no single "correct" or "best" approach to all this - pick a goal, short-, medium- or long-term, and start your march.

(See these related discussions, might help:
o https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...ace-gt-True-TR
& priorities for casual TR'ing https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthrea...=1#post6263134
& https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showth...=1#post6548066
& diff Iconic PL's: https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showth...=1#post6577157 )

https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showth...-error-message

I am having a hell of a time posting the build I made.

Can't figure out how to do it.

[whereispowderedsilve]

My Goal is to get a pally PL & a Human PL splashed FvS to help the
1st time cleric/healbot 1st time DDO player in our static group.
Only inflicting this on my static group NOT for solo will be super casual.
Can this be viable for 1 to 20 in heroic elite?
Need help on spells forgot to pick those.
Also unsure on the order of class progression & the order of feats either or enhancements.
Would dearly love some advice/input.

Character name: GoRaiders
Classes: 10 Epic, 9 Paladin, 8 Favored Soul, 3 Fighter, 2 Legendary
Race: Human · · · · · · · ·Alignment: Lawful Good


· · ·Start Tome Final · · ·Incorp:· · ·0% · · ·Displacement:· · 0%
Str:· · 16· · 2 · ·24 · · ·HP:· · · · 684 · · ·AC:· · 12
Dex:· · 12· · 2 · ·14 · · ·PRR: · · · ·16
Con:· · 14· · 2 · ·16 · · ·MRR: · · · · 0 · · ·+Healing Amp:· ·110
Int:· · 10· · 2 · ·12 · · ·Dodge: · ·0/25 · · ·-Healing Amp:· · ·0
Wis:· · 10· · 2 · ·12 · · ·Fort:· · · ·0% · · ·Repair Amp:· · · ·0
Cha:· · 16· · 2 · ·23 · · ·SR:· · · · · 0 · · ·BAB: · · · · · · 23
DR:
Immunities: Natural Disease, Magical Disease, Super-Natural Disease, Fear


Heroic Past Lives
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Past Life: Bard


Racial Past Lives
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Past Life: Drow






Saves:
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Fortitude:· · · · ·33
· vs Poison:· · · ·33
· vs Disease: · · ·33
Will: · · · · · · ·22
· vs Enchantment: ·26
· vs Illusion:· · ·24
· vs Fear:· · · · ·24
· vs Curse: · · · ·22
Reflex: · · · · · ·25*
· vs Traps: · · · ·25*
· vs Spell: · · · ·25*
· vs Magic: · · · ·25*
Marked with a * is no fail on a 1 if required DC met


Energy· · · ·Resistance and Absorbance
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Acid: · · · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%
Chaos:· · · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%
Cold: · · · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%
Electric: · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%
Evil: · · · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%
Fire: · · · · · · · · 0 · · · · · ·10%
Force:· · · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%
Good: · · · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%
Lawful: · · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%
Light:· · · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%
Negative: · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%
Poison: · · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%
Sonic:· · · · · · · · 0 · · · · · · 0%


Class and Feat Selection
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Level Class · · · · · ·Feats
1 · · Paladin(1)· · · ·Standard: Power Attack
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Human Bonus: Two Handed Fighting
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Follower of Faith: Empty Feat Slot
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Class Skills: Concentration(4)
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Jump(4), Use Magic Device(4)
2 · · Paladin(2)· · · ·
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Class Skills: Concentration(1), Heal(1)
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Jump(1), Use Magic Device(1)
3 · · Paladin(3)· · · ·Standard: Cleave
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Class Skills: Concentration(1), Heal(1)
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Jump(1), Use Magic Device(1)
4 · · Favored Soul(1) ·Strength: +1 Level up
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Class Skills: Concentration(1), Heal(1), Jump(1)
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Use Magic Device(1)
5 · · Favored Soul(2) ·Battle Feat: Grace of Battle
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Class Skills: Concentration(1), Heal(1), Jump(1)
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Use Magic Device(1)
6 · · Paladin(4)· · · ·Standard: Great Cleave
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Class Skills: Concentration(1), Heal(1)
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Jump(1), Use Magic Device(1)
7 · · Favored Soul(3) ·Child Of Faith: Child of Faith
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Class Skills: Concentration(1), Heal(1), Jump(1)
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Use Magic Device(1)
8 · · Paladin(5)· · · ·Strength: +1 Level up
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Class Skills: Concentration(1), Heal(1)
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Jump(1), Use Magic Device(1)
9 · · Paladin(6)· · · ·Standard: Improved Two Handed Fighting
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Deity: Search the Soul
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Class Skills: Concentration(1), Heal(1)
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Jump(1), Use Magic Device(1)
10· · Favored Soul(4) ·
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Class Skills: Concentration(1), Heal(1), Jump(1)
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Use Magic Device(1)
11· · Favored Soul(5) ·Energy Absorbance: Energy Absorption: Fire
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Class Skills: Concentration(1), Heal(1), Jump(1)
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Use Magic Device(1)
12· · Paladin(7)· · · ·Standard: Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Strength: +1 Level up
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Class Skills: Concentration(1), Heal(1)
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Jump(1), Use Magic Device(1)
13· · Fighter(1)· · · ·Fighter Bonus: Greater Two Handed Fighting
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Class Skills: Jump(1)
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Concentration(1), Heal(1), Use Magic Device(1)
14· · Favored Soul(6) ·
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Class Skills: Concentration(1), Heal(1), Jump(1)
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Use Magic Device(1)
15· · Paladin(8)· · · ·Standard: Improved Sunder
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Class Skills: Concentration(1), Heal(1)
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Jump(1), Use Magic Device(1)
16· · Favored Soul(7) ·Heart Feat: Purity of Heart
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Class Skills: Concentration(1), Heal(1), Jump(1)
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Use Magic Device(1)
17· · Fighter(2)· · · ·Fighter Bonus: Stunning Blow
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Class Skills: Jump(1)
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Concentration(1), Heal(1), Use Magic Device(1)
18· · Favored Soul(8) ·Standard: Empower Healing Spell
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Class Skills: Concentration(1), Heal(1), Jump(1)
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Use Magic Device(1)
19· · Fighter(3)· · · ·
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Class Skills: Jump(1)
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Concentration(1), Heal(1), Use Magic Device(1)
20· · Paladin(9)· · · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Class Skills: Concentration(1), Heal(1)
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Jump(1), Use Magic Device(1)
21· · Epic(1) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Overwhelming Critical
22· · Epic(2) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
23· · Epic(3) · · · · ·
24· · Epic(4) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Extend Spell
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
25· · Epic(5) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Doublestrike
26· · Epic(6) · · · · ·
27· · Epic(7) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Epic Damage Reduction
28· · Epic(8) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Crush Weakness
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
29· · Epic(9) · · · · ·
30· · Epic(10)· · · · ·Epic Feat: Epic Reflexes
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Legendary: Scion of Arborea
31· · Legendary(1)· · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Fount of Life
32· · Legendary(2)· · ·Strength: +1 Level up


Class and Feat Selection
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Level Class · · · · · ·Feats
1 · · Paladin(1)· · · ·Standard: Power Attack
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Human Bonus: Two Handed Fighting
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Follower of Faith: Empty Feat Slot
2 · · Paladin(2)· · · ·
3 · · Paladin(3)· · · ·Standard: Cleave
4 · · Favored Soul(1) ·Strength: +1 Level up
5 · · Favored Soul(2) ·Battle Feat: Grace of Battle
6 · · Paladin(4)· · · ·Standard: Great Cleave
7 · · Favored Soul(3) ·Child Of Faith: Child of Faith
8 · · Paladin(5)· · · ·Strength: +1 Level up
9 · · Paladin(6)· · · ·Standard: Improved Two Handed Fighting
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Deity: Search the Soul
10· · Favored Soul(4) ·
11· · Favored Soul(5) ·Energy Absorbance: Energy Absorption: Fire
12· · Paladin(7)· · · ·Standard: Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Strength: +1 Level up
13· · Fighter(1)· · · ·Fighter Bonus: Greater Two Handed Fighting
14· · Favored Soul(6) ·
15· · Paladin(8)· · · ·Standard: Improved Sunder
16· · Favored Soul(7) ·Heart Feat: Purity of Heart
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
17· · Fighter(2)· · · ·Fighter Bonus: Stunning Blow
18· · Favored Soul(8) ·Standard: Empower Healing Spell
19· · Fighter(3)· · · ·
20· · Paladin(9)· · · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
21· · Epic(1) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Overwhelming Critical
22· · Epic(2) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Perfect Two Handed Fighting
23· · Epic(3) · · · · ·
24· · Epic(4) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Extend Spell
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
25· · Epic(5) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Doublestrike
26· · Epic(6) · · · · ·
27· · Epic(7) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Epic Damage Reduction
28· · Epic(8) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Crush Weakness
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
29· · Epic(9) · · · · ·
30· · Epic(10)· · · · ·Epic Feat: Epic Reflexes
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Legendary: Scion of Arborea
31· · Legendary(1)· · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Fount of Life
32· · Legendary(2)· · ·Strength: +1 Level up




Skills
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Skill Points· · ·12 ·4· 4 ·4· 4 ·4· 4 ·4· 4 ·4· 4 ·4· 4 ·4· 4 ·4· 4 ·4· 4 ·4
Skill Name· · · ·01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20· Total Buffed
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Balance · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 12.0
Bluff · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 16.0
Concentration · · 4 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· ½ ·1· 1 ·1· ½ ·1· ½ ·1· ·21.5 · 41.5
Diplomacy · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 19.0
Disable Device· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 11.0
Haggle· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 16.0
Heal· · · · · · · · ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· ½ ·1· 1 ·1· ½ ·1· ½ ·1· ·17.5 · 32.5
Hide· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 12.0
Intimidate· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 17.0
Jump· · · · · · · 2 ·½· ½ ·1· 1 ·½· 1 ·½· ½ ·1· 1 ·½· 1 ·1· ½ ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·½· ·17.0 · 34.0
Listen· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 11.0
Move Silently · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 12.0
Open Lock · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 12.0
Perform · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 16.0
Repair· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 12.0
Search· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 12.0
Spell Craft · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 11.0
Spot· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 11.0
Swim· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 17.0
Tumble· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 12.0
Use Magic Device· 2 ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ·11.5 · 27.5
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Available Points· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0
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Self and Party Buffs
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Active Auto Controlled Stances
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Empty Offhand
Human
Cloth Armor
Centered
Good
Lawful
Aura of Good
Aura of Courage
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Enhancements: 80 APs
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Human - Points spent: 21
Core1 Versatility I: Melee and Ranged Power
Core2 Adaptability: +1 Strength
Tier1 Skill Focus I: Focused - 1 Ranks
Tier1 Action Surge I: Strength - 1 Ranks
Tier1 Improved Recovery I
Tier1 Don't Count Me Out - 3 Ranks
Core3 Versatility II: Attack Boost
Core4 Greater Adaptability: +1 Charisma
Tier2 Skill Focus II: Self Sufficient - 1 Ranks
Tier2 Fighting Style: Great Weapon Aptitude - 3 Ranks
Tier3 Improved Recovery II
Tier4 Improved Recovery III
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Kensei - Points spent: 19
Core1 Kensei Focus: Kensei Focus: Axes
Tier1 Extra Action Boost - 3 Ranks
Tier1 Weapon Group Specialization I: Kensei Focus: Axes
Tier1 Action Boost: Haste Boost - 3 Ranks
Core2 Spiritual Bond
Tier2 Tactics - 3 Ranks
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Knight of the Chalice - Points spent: 23
Core1 Slayer of Evil I
Tier1 Holy Combatant I
Tier1 Extra Smite - 3 Ranks
Tier1 Improved Second Strikes - 3 Ranks
Core2 Courage of Heaven
Tier2 Adept Combatant
Tier2 Divine Might - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Critical Mastery - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Exalted Attack: Exalted Cleave
Core3 Slayer of Evil II
Tier3 Holy Combatant II
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Beacon of Hope - Points spent: 17
Core1 Pleasant Disposition
Tier1 Good Hope - 3 Ranks
Tier1 Confidence - 3 Ranks
Tier1 Divine Durability I - 3 Ranks
Tier1 Spell Critical Chance I
Tier1 Spell Points - 1 Ranks
Core2 Beacon of Grace
Tier2 Close Wounds - 1 Ranks
Core3 Shining Light
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Epic Destinies: 40 APs + 0 permanent Destiny Points
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Spell Power · · · · · · ·Base · ·Critical Chance· · Critical Multiplier.
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Acid· · · · · · · · · · · 103 · · · 5%· · · · · · · · ·0
Light/Alignment · · · · · 103 · · · 5%· · · · · · · · ·0
Cold· · · · · · · · · · · 103 · · · 5%· · · · · · · · ·0
Electric· · · · · · · · · 103 · · · 5%· · · · · · · · ·0
Evil· · · · · · · · · · · 103 · · · 5%· · · · · · · · ·0
Fire· · · · · · · · · · · 103 · · · 5%· · · · · · · · ·0
Force/Untyped · · · · · · 123 · · · 5%· · · · · · · · ·0
Negative· · · · · · · · · 124 · · · 5%· · · · · · · · ·0
Physical· · · · · · · · · 103 · · · 5%· · · · · · · · ·0
Poison· · · · · · · · · · 103 · · · 5%· · · · · · · · ·0
Positive· · · · · · · · · 169 · · ·10%· · · · · · · · ·0
Repair· · · · · · · · · · 104 · · · 5%· · · · · · · · ·0
Rust· · · · · · · · · · · 104 · · · 5%· · · · · · · · ·0
Sonic · · · · · · · · · · 108 · · · 5%· · · · · · · · ·0
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Spells· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · School· · · · ·DC
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Favored Soul Spells
Paladin Spells
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Spell Like / Special Abilities
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Lay on Hands· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·
Remove Disease· · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·
Good Hope · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·
Beacon of Grace · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·
Close Wounds· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·
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Weapon Damage
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Melee Power:· 92.0
Doublestrike: 5%
Strikethrough: 60%
Mainhand damage ability multiplier: 1
Offhand damage ability multiplier: 0
Off-Hand attack Chance: 20%
Fortification Bypass: 0%
Dodge Bypass: 0%
Helpless Damage bonus: 65%
Ranged Power: 92.0
Doubleshot Chance: 0%


Sneak Attack Attack bonus: 0
Sneak Attack Damage: 0d6+0


Tactical DCs
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Intimidate· · · · · · · · · · · · ·10+HD+Wis Mod vs d20 + 17 : d20 + Intimidate(17)
Diplomacy · · · · · · · · · · · · ·CR+Quest Level vs d20 + 19 : d20 + Diplomacy(19)
Bluff · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·CR+Quest Level vs d20 + 16 : d20 + Bluff(16)
Sunder· · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·Fortitude vs 20 : 10 + Str Mod(7) + Sunder(3)
Trip· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·Balance vs 20 : 10 + Str Mod(7) + Trip(3)
Turn Undead · · · · · · · · · · · ·Creature HD vs d20 + 6 : d20 + Cha Mod(6)
Improved Sunder · · · · · · · · · ·Fortitude vs 20 : 10 + Str Mod(7) + Sunder(3)
Stunning Blow · · · · · · · · · · ·Fortitude vs 20 : 10 + Str Mod(7) + Stun(3)
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[Djoe]

So, first thing first, you can only choose one past life feat for 1-20. This will be either a class PL or a racial PL, determined by whether you use a heart of wood (class) or a heart of blood (race). Getting your 3 paladin past lives is a good thing to pursue, however it seems to me that since you are a returning player who liked playing bard and are going to be running with a static group of your first life friends, you should aim to grab racials for now and play whatever you want. What a lot of other people on the forums might say aside, the order you take your past lives in doesn't really matter as long as you're playing what you want, and the 10 healing amplification you would get from a paladin past life isn't that huge. Assuming you haven't eaten a heart of wood or blood yet, I certainly recommend taking the drow past life feat from a true heart of blood instead of the bard because bard past lives are arguably the worst in the game. Then, probably the best choice of past lives to go for would be another drow for the +1 intelligence, which would mean your choice of class is your oyster.

In my experience of trying to get my friends IRL into enjoying DDO (as in loving the game in the same way I do), the best approach is to let them lead the party. If you have a friend that is going to be playing a healbot, don't try to steal their thunder by splashing 8 levels into favored soul because heroics don't need that much healing to begin with, and you will either bore them to death by doing their job for them, or have spent 8 levels on something un-optimal. Likewise, maybe you shouldn't play a melee DPS class if one of your friends is going to also try to kill things since you will probably do it a lot better than them and steal the show. I hope that helps you come to a decision, anyway.

For the build you posted, assuming you're going two handed fighting you really don't need to the cleaves. Especially as a paladin, since if you look at the Knight of the Chalice enhancement tree you get better versions of cleave and great cleave that share a cooldown and don't require one of your precious nine (10 if you go human) feats. Prioritize the two handed fighting line of feats over everything else until "improved critical: style of choice," unless you have a lot of keen weapons, in which case you just need to take it before epics. This only takes 4 feats, meaning you have 1 for either power attack or precision (optional but optimal) and 4 more for whatever you desire. Taking the dodge feat line (dodge, mobility, whirlwind attack and spring attack) as a melee build is always a good choice, but requires 13 dexterity to take (11 to start since you have +2 tomes). I don't see any reason to take 3 levels of fighter, and if you're going to play paladin you should take at least 15 levels of paladin so you can take both 4th level spells Holy Sword and Zeal. With the other 5 levels, to be honest, you should also go paladin because the best paladin is a pure one . Seriously though, if you're trying to play a melee while also assisting with the group's healing, paladin and bard, and to a lesser extent ranger are the ways to go, and pure will be best if you're doing racial TRs.

[C-Dog]

Okay, let's get this out of the way first...

Would dearly love some advice/input.

Sure - do NOT try to invent your own build from scratch!

95% of the players who do what you're trying fail, and I mean FAIL, so that build simply cannot survive to the end of an upper-Heroic Elite quest. Too many moving parts, too many pitfalls and perils, too many EASY mistakes to make - just say "no".

My advice - find a community approved, pre-tested, customer-satisfied build on the forums, and use that. If you must, make some small tweak to same - emphasis on SMALL. (Suggestions @ bottom)

I insisted on inventing my first two characters - they still, a dozen years later, have not seen Reincarnation, relegated as mules - they were that bad. (Tho' they're getting close! )


But, if you insist, here's my feedback...

[FONT=courier]My Goal is to get a pally PL & a Human PL

As Djoe said, pick one. Only way you can "double up" is if you go Iconic (starting at 15), go to 30(+), and then do an Iconic Reincarnation - then you'll get both an Iconic + Heroic (Pali) PL.

Can this be viable for 1 to 20 in heroic elite?

Pro'ly no, not as is.

I'm not sure what the Fighter 3 splash is for (lot of builds do that for Defense, but Pali has that covered), but worse is that you're half-in on Pali and half-in on FS, so not really getting the good stuff out of either.

But far worse than that is this mess...

Human - Points spent: 21

Kensei - Points spent: 19

Knight of the Chalice - Points spent: 23
Core1 Slayer of Evil I
Core2 Courage of Heaven
Core3 Slayer of Evil II
Tier3 Holy Combatant II

Beacon of Hope - Points spent: 17
Core1 Pleasant Disposition
Core2 Beacon of Grace
Core3 Shining Light
Tier2 Close Wounds - 1 Ranks

The higher Class Core enhancements are usually the best, and the real juice is usually found in Tier 4 & (especially!) 5 in one Class or the the other. 99% of "solid" builds take Tier 5 enhancements (VERY rare exceptions, and usually quirky builds). Similarly, 95+% of builds take at least 12 in the "primary" class, for Core 12 enhancements; again, rare to see someone ignore those (some Enhancement trees do suck that bad, so only Tier V is worth the effort and not the Cores, but - rare).

(Kensai Core 3 is based on having other Kensai Cores - "2" is not enough to justify it.)

You almost certainly want Tier V in Knight of the Chalice, and that's about 40-42 pts or so. The rest fill in what that doesn't provide.


Then there's the Feats...

1 · · Paladin(1)· · · ·Standard: Power Attack
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Human Bonus: Two Handed Fighting
3 · · Paladin(3)· · · ·Standard: Cleave
6 · · Paladin(4)· · · ·Standard: Great Cleave
9 · · Paladin(6)· · · ·Standard: Improved Two Handed Fighting
12· · Paladin(7)· · · ·Standard: Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
13· · Fighter(1)· · · ·Fighter Bonus: Greater Two Handed Fighting
15· · Paladin(8)· · · ·Standard: Improved Sunder
17· · Fighter(2)· · · ·Fighter Bonus: Stunning Blow
18· · Favored Soul(8) ·Standard: Empower Healing Spell

First, you want Improved Crit asap, and I'm not convinced that FS is getting you more than a delay of 3 levels is worth. Also, while we're on the subject, Fighter 1 & 2 for the early feats can be great (and a great early AP bump via Kensai damage boost), so consider starting w/ a mix of maybe Pali 6/Ftr 2/FvS 1 (in some order) so you have BAB 8 at Lvl 9 and can grab Improved Crit then.

Then... "Cleave" (and GC) are not what they used to be, and certainly not what they are in tabletop. There is a mechanic in DDO that allows "glancing blows" to create a soft AoE for every two-handed hit you make (also Dwaxes and Bastard Swords), which is improved by the 2-handed Fighting line. So you automatically have AoE covered, and more as you take more in that line of feats, and the slower animation of Cleaves makes it almost not worth the effort at all.

Perhaps a better choice, especially since you are taking Sunder, would be some +DC/+Tactics feats, to boost those DC's on a young character. (Note that Fighter 4 would get you access to an additional DC Feat, and give you another combat feat - just sayin'.)

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So, for a Pali past life, and one that can help with some healing... I can find no examples. Here's a basic Pali:

o https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showth...ginner-paladin

I'd love to try to put together something - do you have the Feydark Illusionist tree, or access to the Feywild pack? If so, I think I can make a Charisma-based pali-healer. (I think. )

Also, what +2 Tome did you grab last life (1,750 Favor)? Or does your build read that you have a +2 Tome in all Abilities?