Reincarnation help please!

[jfgddo]

My last life I decided to try my first Iconic (SK), went to level 32, used a ER and then was going to use a HR, but its telling me I cannot use a HR while I'm Iconic? WHY?

What difference should it make? I screwed up the Iconic build pretty bad (hence I tried asking for build help to no avail LOL). Ground it out to 32.

I guess I should have used a IR first? The wiki says I should be able to HR or ER from a Iconic so maybe I am missing something, or the wiki is wrong?

Also, I was thinking to fix it I need to change the level 1 SK to regular rogue and then be able to HR?

Any help or suggestion would be greatly appreciated!! TY in advance!

[magaiti]

As iconic, you can either ER from 30+ to 20 or IR from 30+ to 1
HR/RR are not available for iconics.
You have to level up to 30 and IR.

[Phoenicis]

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I guess I should have used a IR first? The wiki says I should be able to HR or ER from a Iconic so maybe I am missing something, or the wiki is wrong?
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If you are an Iconic character you must be at level 30+ to do an Iconic TR. Heroic reincarnation will not work.

An Epic Reincarnation will leave you at 20 so you'll have to get back to 30+ to IR.

An IR will give you both an Iconic past life (SDK unless I misread your post) and a heroic past life (Whatever your dominant class is at the time)

You cannot use a LR to become non-iconic.

You can use an LR to fix your build if you hosed up during the releveling process, and a +1 or better heart will let you remove the lvl1 class.

[KoobTheProud]

Your potential paths from an Iconic at cap are either ETR to 20 and back up to cap or ITR to either 1 or 15.

When you ITR you get both an Iconic life and a Class life so 2-for-1. What you cannot do is ETR and then HTR. The Iconics cannot reincarnate anywhere short of 30, it's one of the limitations of the archetype. The devs felt that being able to start at 15 and then HTR for the class at 20 was too little effort and time investment for the past life.

[elvesunited]

My last life I decided to try my first Iconic (SK), went to level 32, used a ER and then was going to use a HR, but its telling me I cannot use a HR while I'm Iconic? WHY?

What difference should it make? I screwed up the Iconic build pretty bad (hence I tried asking for build help to no avail LOL). Ground it out to 32.

I guess I should have used a IR first? The wiki says I should be able to HR or ER from a Iconic so maybe I am missing something, or the wiki is wrong?

Also, I was thinking to fix it I need to change the level 1 SK to regular rogue and then be able to HR?

Any help or suggestion would be greatly appreciated!! TY in advance!

By my understanding:

Non-Iconic: Can you Heart of Wood or Heart of Blood at level 20 or any level afterwards
Iconic: Can use Iconic heart of wood at level 30 or any level afterwards
Either: Can use Epic Heart of Wood at level 30 or any level afterwards

I don't think there is much help I can be other than the bearer of bad news. You have to get him back to level 30 again.

[axel15810]

My last life I decided to try my first Iconic (SK), went to level 32, used a ER and then was going to use a HR, but its telling me I cannot use a HR while I'm Iconic? WHY?

What difference should it make? I screwed up the Iconic build pretty bad (hence I tried asking for build help to no avail LOL). Ground it out to 32.

I guess I should have used a IR first? The wiki says I should be able to HR or ER from a Iconic so maybe I am missing something, or the wiki is wrong?

Also, I was thinking to fix it I need to change the level 1 SK to regular rogue and then be able to HR?

Any help or suggestion would be greatly appreciated!! TY in advance!

Yes, you should have IR'ed instead. You can HTR from a non-iconic to an iconic at 20 and go down only 5 levels. But you can't HTR any iconic at 20.

Basically the reason you can't HTR at 20 with an iconic is that iconics start at level 15, so if you could HTR at 20 as normal you could get a heroic past life from only doing 5 levels. That's why once you are an iconic the option to HTR at 20 isn't available. You need to be 30+ and then IR, which will give you the heroic past life feat and an iconic past life too. You can also epic reincarnate to go from 30 to 20, which you did for an epic past life feat.

The forced first level of rogue doesn't have any effect on your ability to ITR or ER.

So basically you'll have to work your way up to 30 again to do what you want, sorry, it is a confusing system. Not all is lost though you did get an epic past life for your trouble.

[KoobTheProud]

It just occurred to me that with the advent of Racial lives the devs could decide to remove the Iconic limitation on HTR's. It would be one way of helping newer players catch up and in some cases stay interested in DDO.

They could also choose to let players begin Iconic lives at level 1 with a level 20 option available alongside the level 30 ITR.

[jfgddo]

So what about using a +1 LR to change level 1 from SK to reg. Rogue, then I wont be iconic correct?, and then do a HR to start back at level 1?

Reason is I really don't want to go all the way back to 30 with this **** build I made. It was bad enough doing it once to 32.

[Phoenicis]

So what about using a +1 LR to change level 1 from SK to reg. Rogue, then I wont be iconic correct?, and then do a HR to start back at level 1?

Reason is I really don't want to go all the way back to 30 with this **** build I made. It was bad enough doing it once to 32.

Can't be done.

Once you create an iconic character the only way out is an IR.

Out of curiosity, what is the build?

Edit: Did some digging, a SDK rogue/bard chains build.

Try this: https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showth...12#post6455912

Strimtom's builds are generally pretty solid, I don't THINK the bard levels will hurt to much as you have enough rogue levels to get the T5s, but not the last two cores in Assassin.

[axel15810]

So what about using a +1 LR to change level 1 from SK to reg. Rogue, then I wont be iconic correct?, and then do a HR to start back at level 1?

Reason is I really don't want to go all the way back to 30 with this **** build I made. It was bad enough doing it once to 32.

No, that won't work. You still can't HR even if you change the forced first level. Iconic is a race, not a class. You can LR +1 to remove the forced level and redo your build however, if you want. Still will be an iconic though so no matter what you can't go back to level 1 or level 15 on this character again until you get back up to 30.

[magaiti]

Well then, you can LR to fix your build, then level up to 30.

[Wahnsinnig]

So what about using a +1 LR to change level 1 from SK to reg. Rogue, then I wont be iconic correct?, and then do a HR to start back at level 1?

Reason is I really don't want to go all the way back to 30 with this **** build I made. It was bad enough doing it once to 32.

You are on an iconic race. There is no way to change that.

The only way to true reincarnate is to level to 30 and use an iconic heart of wood to do iconic true reincarnation into a new life of your choice.

If you want an easier way to 30 you can use a lesser heart and make a build that works better than your current. I suggest inquisitive. You can make that work with pretty much anything.

Also, read this page until you understand what you are doing. I believe I have linked this wiki page to you before. https://ddowiki.com/page/Reincarnation

[Dendrix]

My last life I decided to try my first Iconic (SK), went to level 32, used a ER and then was going to use a HR, but its telling me I cannot use a HR while I'm Iconic? WHY?

If you are an Iconic character the only way to ever stop being an Iconic character is to level up to 30 (or more) then perform an Iconic Reincarnation.
That's it.

If you are an Iconic and have performed a Heroic Reincarnate. You are now a level 20 Iconic character. Go reread the previous statement, you no longer qualify to perform an Iconic Reincarnation. Eat an Epic Otto's and Improved Epic Otto's to get to level 30 quickly, then you can perform an Iconic Reincarnation.

[C-Dog]

The wiki says I should be able to HR or ER from a Iconic ... or the wiki is wrong?

<...stares harshly at the Wiki on Reincarnation and on Iconic Races...>

I do not ~believe~ it says that (at least nowhere I can find atm) - where are you seeing this?

o General "Reincarnation" https://ddowiki.com/page/Reincarnati..._will_I_use.3F
o Specific "Iconic Reincarnation" https://ddowiki.com/page/Iconic_True...on#Description

(If it's there, or if it's just not clear, then it might need some editing/polishing so this has less chance of happening next time to someone else.)

So what about using a +1 LR to change level 1 from SK to reg. Rogue...

Rogue is a class, SK is a race. The first level of SK is "regular Rogue". You can change the class, but that does not change the race; you're still an Iconic, so you still need an IR, at 30.

Reason is I really don't want to go all the way back to 30 with this **** build I made. It was bad enough doing it once to 32.

Well, the "not terrible" news is you don't have to go to 32, only to 30.

You could have significantly changed your build when you ER'd (at least optimizing the classes that you're stuck with) - did you not?

I screwed up the Iconic build pretty bad (hence I tried asking for build help to no avail LOL).

Ah... https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showth...=1#post6575261

Yeah, that was a soft but general thumbs down on your current build. I'm assuming you already "rebuilt" it, so now you're (re-)stuck with it? If not, perhaps it could be optimized, such as it is.