Gem of Many Facets

[Sirea]

What would be nice is if you could "lock in" one set bonus and keep rerolling the other somehow. It'd still be up to RNG but at least you could make some progress towards your ideal set.

[mikarddo]

What would be nice is if you could "lock in" one set bonus and keep rerolling the other somehow. It'd still be up to RNG but at least you could make some progress towards your ideal set.

The price would need to be 1000-1500 threads per reroll then to keep it rare.

[cru121]

I guess if we wanted to make it easier, introduce 2 new recipes:
- reroll set #1
- reroll set #2

Also, rerolling heroic gems could be nice. Perhaps for Chronoscope raid runes? Those are fairly useless anyway...

[magaiti]

Gem of Many Feces

[Stunty]

Reading through the threads (pun intended), I agree with most of the opinions. I did get some decent rolls for other uses, but my quest for the right combo blinded me, like a slot machine player. LOL. I should have cut my losses, as I did get one of the more desirable sets on a gem (but not the one I wanted) and one on another. If you put your epic in the legendary crusher and take it out before you initiate the change, it also changes each time. I did get the exact combo I wanted doing this, but it also changed after finalizing, LOL .... they don't misname it when they say "Many." I also did not know that they changed the title of the post. I meant "Foul ups,"......or was it "Fudge ups?" The monitors missed my sign-off, "Frustrated AF," which is "Frustrated also Fuming." The toon I was trying this on is an old toon that I did not play much that had a couple of past lives and no great gear to speak of. I feel foolish wasting so many threads, as I'm usually careful about my resources. I agree that any item should be worked for, but the GOMF way is incredibly silly, which makes me more the fool. Oh well, live and learn. Seriously, so many great things about this game that I have played for so long. It's truly a gem among many games I have tried. Made some great friends, love the variety, and want more content. I hope it gets a revitalization somehow and that this game can live on.

Leadbelly

[slarden]

Going for one red fens/vault of knight set bonus isn't super hard @ 1 in 13. Getting one chronoscope/sands set is even easier at 1 in 9. Your chance of getting the exact two bonuses you want is 1 in 117 - much harder.

Get the set bonus that is critical and maybe you'll get lucky and get the 2nd set bonus also. But if not I wouldn't reroll, but rather create a new legendary gem and go for both sets using excess mats only - and if you get an awesome combo set it aside and make yet another legendary gem to start the reroll process. You'll eventually get it.

I don't think anyone likes the rolling mechanic for set bonuses. They should just double or triple the cost and let you pick your set bonuses.

I don't know if your ddo name is named after the musician lead belly, but he made some really good music.

[Sirea]

The price would need to be 1000-1500 threads per reroll then to keep it rare.

I could see doubling or even tripling the cost in such a system (and only for the second set bonus), but you're talking 10-15x the current trade-in which seems steep.

[Zuldar]

Chase item must be chased

There's a reason its so hard to get, and its the same reason you want it so bad

It's not hard to get though, hard would imply some level of challenge but this is just straight up RNG. What I'd like to see is the option to reroll only one of the two sets, that would at least minimize the RNG involved.

[mpetrarca]

I come back from a 2 year break and find more power rush, I know "creep" is the correct term but SSG goes way beyond that. Back in January I pull Bracers of the Hunter out of a Sands chest on my Ranger, great pull I was thinking. However, now it is part of a set, The Desert's Burning Sun set, +10 Artifact bonus to Physical Resistance Rating (OK not bad), +2% Artifact bonus to Fire Spellcrit Chance and +10 Artifact bonus to Fire Spellpower. Did nobody at SSG realize these bracers are for a Ranger? Really all of the new sets for old items seem to be done very lazily.

[vryxnr]

Get the set bonus that is critical and maybe you'll get lucky and get the 2nd set bonus also. But if not I wouldn't reroll, but rather create a new legendary gem and go for both sets using excess mats only - and if you get an awesome combo set it aside and make yet another legendary gem to start the reroll process. You'll eventually get it.

Rerolling costs 100 threads.

Crafting a new legendary one costs 250 threads.

Both create a new gem with completely randomly chosen set bonuses.

How does making a new one instead of rerolling solve the issue of wasting untold amounts of threads to try and get a useful set bonus?

[slarden]

Rerolling costs 100 threads.

Crafting a new legendary one costs 250 threads.

Both create a new gem with completely randomly chosen set bonuses.

How does making a new one instead of rerolling solve the issue of wasting untold amounts of threads to try and get a useful set bonus?

If you have a gem with the most important set you can use that until you eventually get both. And if you get an absolutely fantastic combo of sets for a future build - it's well worth the extra mats to set it aside and make a new one. In both cases well worth the mats, but your mileage may vary. Obviously people that focus on only one character and mostly the same build might approach it differently. At least based on my experience that is more of an edge case though.

[mikarddo]

I could see doubling or even tripling the cost in such a system (and only for the second set bonus), but you're talking 10-15x the current trade-in which seems steep.

Current the GoMF has a high mean (the average cost is 11700 threads to get a specific combo) and a huge variance (due to 117 combos).

As the talk is about lowering the variance (the RNG) but not the mean and locking in one effect and rolling the other lowers it to ~10 different effects - then the cost has to be 10 times higher to keep the mean while lowering the average. If the cost was only 2-3 times higher the average cost would go way down.

So, its pretty simple math really.

[mikarddo]

It's not hard to get though, hard would imply some level of challenge but this is just straight up RNG. What I'd like to see is the option to reroll only one of the two sets, that would at least minimize the RNG involved.

Considering the only hard stuff in DDO is reaper raiding and noone is likely to suggest gating the better loot behind that - then hard in DDO means timecomsuming. Thats pretty simple.

Having an option to lock in one set and rerolling the other for say 1200 threads would be nice though. Lowering the RNG but keeping the average cost to keep the timecomsuming part of the deal.

[Valtan]

citation needed

Lynnabel in discord. I dont have the time to find, if you are curious do it yourself.

[Monkey_Archer]

Strategies for success:
1) Only go for 1 set bonus instead of 2. ~<20 rerolls is not too bad
2) If you get a good set combination that can be used for other builds, save the gem and make a new one if you want to reroll further for a current build.
3) Build your gear set after finding a decent gem. There are often multiple set combinations that can achieve the same effect with a bit of gear tetris.

I'm currently using 3 gems, 2 of which are essentially perfect using the above method, with less then 100 rerolls. I have a few more good set combinations banked for potential future builds.


Strategies for endless pain:
1) Reroll a single gem ~100+ times to get the exact set combination you pre-planned for...

[QuantumFX]

I did get some decent rolls for other uses, but my quest for the right combo blinded me, like a slot machine player. LOL.

We've all been there! Burning through our stacks of threads is how we learned to temper our expectations.

[karatemack]

There should definitely be a way to just purchase the gem you want. Make it cost 1,000 threads, or heck... even 2,500 threads. Some type of barrier is fine... but it won't be very long until this item is outdated leveling gear anyway and the cost (which is already unreasonably high unless you are exteremely lucky) will only become increasingly prohibitive over time.

[mikarddo]

There should definitely be a way to just purchase the gem you want. Make it cost 1,000 threads, or heck... even 2,500 threads. Some type of barrier is fine... but it won't be very long until this item is outdated leveling gear anyway and the cost (which is already unreasonably high unless you are exteremely lucky) will only become increasingly prohibitive over time.

Your estimated price is way too low. With 117 combinations and a reroll price of 100 threads the cost would need to be around 12000 thread, not a mere 2500 treads.

[karatemack]

Your estimated price is way too low. With 117 combinations and a reroll price of 100 threads the cost would need to be around 12000 thread, not a mere 2500 treads.

I disagree with you that the cost would NEED to account for every possible random combination. Some folks get lucky and get the right item right out of the gate. Making it cost 2,500 threads to pick is the equivalent of 25 re-rolls. Asking players to re-roll the same item more than 25 times for a chance that they *might* get what they want feels like an excessive ask to me. But then, I don't like random loot effects. It would have been much better if we could have crafted the desired effects on the gem rather than endlessly re-rolling.

[droid327]

I disagree with you that the cost would NEED to account for every possible random combination. Some folks get lucky and get the right item right out of the gate. Making it cost 2,500 threads to pick is the equivalent of 25 re-rolls. Asking players to re-roll the same item more than 25 times for a chance that they *might* get what they want feels like an excessive ask to me. But then, I don't like random loot effects. It would have been much better if we could have crafted the desired effects on the gem rather than endlessly re-rolling.

That's not how math works.

Yes, some people get lucky right away. Others get very unlucky and take a while. That's why we calculate averages.

If you're not asking for the price to be based on the current average, then you're asking for it to be made way cheaper than it currently is. Which is fine, as long as you admit it - but you're going to get way less traction with that argument, because its pure power creep