Solo build for returning / relearning player to get q few past lives

[prynts]

Im getting back to the game i took a break for a long time and also trying to show the game for a few friends.

My last interact with ddo was when o bought Menace of Underdark, and if im not wrong, the "epic things" were implemented.....so i dndt even touch epic or all the things since "epic" came to the game, and all seems new to me.

So i got a monk that is on a 2life with a +2 tome on every stat if i remember well that i went pure cause of survivality and self healing and now im thinking about to TR to learn all the game again from the beginning with a friend.

Theres some mechanic that i dont even know how it works heheheheeeheh (Enhancement, etc...), and i will show some SS from my char situation







Also i got all the content that was on promo sale this mounth for 99 DDOpoints and the freecode (dungeoncrawl), so i assume the only content i dont have is saltmarsh, the isle of dread and Feywild. I also saved some ddopoint saved if it help(1,5k i think).

Doing some reading on forum, i saw some ppl talking about get thw paladin past life at least 2x, cause its good and helps for future TRs, but i dont really know, just got this info ramdnly on the forum....

Could u guys help me with a build that can help me? Maybe with some trapskills and self healing/sustain?

[prynts]

So here we go. Thats what i got after trying to use the planner and after a few talks in discord.


Character name: Lango Lango
Classes: 18 Paladin, 10 Epic, 2 Legendary, 2 Rogue
Race: Human · · · · · · · ·Alignment: Lawful Good

· · ·Start Tome Final · · ·Incorp:· · ·0% · · ·Displacement:· · 0%
Str:· · 16· · 2 · ·28 · · ·HP:· · · · 964 · · ·AC:· · 15
Dex:· · ·8· · 2 · ·10 · · ·PRR: · · · ·28
Con:· · 15· · 2 · ·18 · · ·MRR: · · · ·28 · · ·+Healing Amp:· ·105
Int:· · 14· · 2 · ·16 · · ·Dodge: · ·0/25 · · ·-Healing Amp: 4294967236
Wis:· · 14· · 2 · ·16 · · ·Fort:· · · 10% · · ·Repair Amp:· · · ·0
Cha:· · 14· · 2 · ·18 · · ·SR:· · · · · 6 · · ·BAB: · · · · · · 24
DR:
Immunities: Natural Disease, Magical Disease, Super-Natural Disease, Fear, Energy Drain, Magical Controls and Compulsion

Heroic Past Lives
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Past Life: Monk(2)


Special Feats
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Falconry Tree
Feydark Illusionist Tree
Harper Agent Tree
Horizon Walker Tree
Inquisitive Tree


Class and Feat Selection
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Level Class · · · · · ·Feats
1 · · Rogue(1)· · · · ·Standard: Two Handed Fighting
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Human Bonus: Insightful Reflexes
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Class Skills: Balance(4), Bluff(4), Disable Device(4), Haggle(4), Jump(4), Open Lock(4), Search(4), Spot(4), Tumble(2), Use Magic Device(4)
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Concentration(4), Heal(2)
2 · · Rogue(2)· · · · ·
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Class Skills: Balance(1), Bluff(1), Disable Device(1), Haggle(1), Jump(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), Spot(1), Use Magic Device(1)
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Concentration(1), Heal(2)
3 · · Paladin(1)· · · ·Standard: Power Attack
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Follower of Faith: Follower of the Sovereign Host
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
4 · · Paladin(2)· · · ·Strength: +1 Level up
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
5 · · Paladin(3)· · · ·
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
6 · · Paladin(4)· · · ·Standard: Empower Healing Spell
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
7 · · Paladin(5)· · · ·
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
8 · · Paladin(6)· · · ·Deity: Unyielding Sovereignty
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Strength: +1 Level up
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
9 · · Paladin(7)· · · ·Standard: Improved Two Handed Fighting
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
10· · Paladin(8)· · · ·
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
11· · Paladin(9)· · · ·
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
12· · Paladin(10) · · ·Standard: Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Strength: +1 Level up
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
13· · Paladin(11) · · ·
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
14· · Paladin(12) · · ·
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
15· · Paladin(13) · · ·Standard: Greater Two Handed Fighting
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
16· · Paladin(14) · · ·Strength: +1 Level up
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
17· · Paladin(15) · · ·
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
18· · Paladin(16) · · ·Standard: Quicken Spell
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
19· · Paladin(17) · · ·
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
20· · Paladin(18) · · ·Strength: +1 Level up
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
21· · Epic(1) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Empty Feat Slot
22· · Epic(2) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Empty Feat Slot
23· · Epic(3) · · · · ·
24· · Epic(4) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Empty Feat Slot
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Strength: +1 Level up
25· · Epic(5) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Empty Feat Slot
26· · Epic(6) · · · · ·
27· · Epic(7) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Empty Feat Slot
28· · Epic(8) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Empty Feat Slot
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Strength: +1 Level up
29· · Epic(9) · · · · ·
30· · Epic(10)· · · · ·Epic Feat: Empty Feat Slot
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Legendary: Empty Feat Slot
31· · Legendary(1)· · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Empty Feat Slot
32· · Legendary(2)· · ·Strength: +1 Level up

Enhancements: 80 APs
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Human - Points spent: 8
Core1 Versatility I: Melee and Ranged Power
Tier1 Improved Recovery I
Core2 Adaptability: +1 Constitution
Tier2 Fighting Style: Great Weapon Aptitude - 3 Ranks
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Knight of the Chalice - Points spent: 39
Core1 Slayer of Evil I
Tier1 Improved Second Strikes - 3 Ranks
Tier1 Holy Combatant I
Core2 Courage of Heaven
Tier2 Adept Combatant
Tier2 Divine Might - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Exalted Attack: Exalted Cleave
Tier2 Critical Mastery - 3 Ranks
Tier3 Holy Combatant II
Tier3 Ability I: +1 Strength
Core3 Slayer of Evil II
Tier4 Vigor of Life I
Tier4 Knight's Training
Tier4 Censure Demons
Core4 Improved Courage of Heaven
Tier4 Ability II: +1 Strength
Tier5 Ascendancy
Tier5 Censure Outsiders
Tier5 Vigor of Life II
Core5 Slayer of Evil III
Tier5 Holy Retribution: Holy Retribution
Tier5 Avenging Attack: Avenging Cleave
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Sacred Defender - Points spent: 33
Core1 Holy Bastion
Tier1 Extra Lay on Hands - 3 Ranks
Tier1 Improved Sacred Defense I: Durable Defense - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Improved Sacred Defense II: Resilient Defense - 3 Ranks
Core2 Sacred Defence
Tier2 Bulwark Aura - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Instinctive Defense - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Defense Boost - 2 Ranks
Tier3 Ability I: +1 Charisma
Core3 Divine Righteousness
Tier3 Resistance Aura - 3 Ranks
Tier4 Ability II: +1 Charisma
Core4 Redemption
Tier4 Swift Defense
Tier4 Spellshield Aura - 3 Ranks
Core5 Glorious Stand
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Epic Destinies: 40 APs + 0 permanent Destiny Points
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Spells· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · School· · · · ·DC
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Paladin Spells
L1: Cure Light Wounds · · · · · · · · · · · Conjuration · · 13
L1: Divine Favor· · · · · · · · · · · · · · Evocation · · · 13
L1: Protection from Evil· · · · · · · · · · Abjuration· · · 13
L1: Virtue· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · Transmutation · 13
L2: Angelskin · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · Abjuration· · · 14
L2: Resist Energy · · · · · · · · · · · · · Abjuration· · · 14
L2: Righteous Command · · · · · · · · · · · Enchantment · · 14
L3: Cure Moderate Wounds· · · · · · · · · · Conjuration · · 15
L3: Prayer· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · Enchantment · · 15
L4: Cure Serious Wounds · · · · · · · · · · Conjuration · · 16
L4: Holy Sword· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · Evocation · · · 16
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Spell Like / Special Abilities
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Lay on Hands· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·
Remove Disease· · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·
Unyielding Sovereignty· · · · · · · · · · ·
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[onikage]

So here we go. Thats what i got after trying to use the planner and after a few talks in discord.


Character name: Lango Lango
Classes: 18 Paladin, 10 Epic, 2 Legendary, 2 Rogue
Race: Human · · · · · · · ·Alignment: Lawful Good

· · ·Start Tome Final · · ·Incorp:· · ·0% · · ·Displacement:· · 0%
Str:· · 16· · 2 · ·28 · · ·HP:· · · · 964 · · ·AC:· · 15
Dex:· · ·8· · 2 · ·10 · · ·PRR: · · · ·28
Con:· · 15· · 2 · ·18 · · ·MRR: · · · ·28 · · ·+Healing Amp:· ·105
Int:· · 14· · 2 · ·16 · · ·Dodge: · ·0/25 · · ·-Healing Amp: 4294967236
Wis:· · 14· · 2 · ·16 · · ·Fort:· · · 10% · · ·Repair Amp:· · · ·0
Cha:· · 14· · 2 · ·18 · · ·SR:· · · · · 6 · · ·BAB: · · · · · · 24
DR:
Immunities: Natural Disease, Magical Disease, Super-Natural Disease, Fear, Energy Drain, Magical Controls and Compulsion

Heroic Past Lives
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Past Life: Monk(2)


Special Feats
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Falconry Tree
Feydark Illusionist Tree
Harper Agent Tree
Horizon Walker Tree
Inquisitive Tree


Class and Feat Selection
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Level Class · · · · · ·Feats
1 · · Rogue(1)· · · · ·Standard: Two Handed Fighting
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Human Bonus: Insightful Reflexes
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Class Skills: Balance(4), Bluff(4), Disable Device(4), Haggle(4), Jump(4), Open Lock(4), Search(4), Spot(4), Tumble(2), Use Magic Device(4)
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Concentration(4), Heal(2)
2 · · Rogue(2)· · · · ·
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Class Skills: Balance(1), Bluff(1), Disable Device(1), Haggle(1), Jump(1), Open Lock(1), Search(1), Spot(1), Use Magic Device(1)
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Concentration(1), Heal(2)
3 · · Paladin(1)· · · ·Standard: Power Attack
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Follower of Faith: Follower of the Sovereign Host
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
4 · · Paladin(2)· · · ·Strength: +1 Level up
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
5 · · Paladin(3)· · · ·
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
6 · · Paladin(4)· · · ·Standard: Empower Healing Spell
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
7 · · Paladin(5)· · · ·
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
8 · · Paladin(6)· · · ·Deity: Unyielding Sovereignty
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Strength: +1 Level up
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
9 · · Paladin(7)· · · ·Standard: Improved Two Handed Fighting
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
10· · Paladin(8)· · · ·
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
11· · Paladin(9)· · · ·
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
12· · Paladin(10) · · ·Standard: Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Strength: +1 Level up
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
13· · Paladin(11) · · ·
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
14· · Paladin(12) · · ·
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
15· · Paladin(13) · · ·Standard: Greater Two Handed Fighting
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
16· · Paladin(14) · · ·Strength: +1 Level up
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
17· · Paladin(15) · · ·
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
18· · Paladin(16) · · ·Standard: Quicken Spell
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
19· · Paladin(17) · · ·
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
20· · Paladin(18) · · ·Strength: +1 Level up
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Cross Class Skills: Disable Device(2), Search(2), Spot(2)
21· · Epic(1) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Empty Feat Slot
22· · Epic(2) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Empty Feat Slot
23· · Epic(3) · · · · ·
24· · Epic(4) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Empty Feat Slot
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Strength: +1 Level up
25· · Epic(5) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Empty Feat Slot
26· · Epic(6) · · · · ·
27· · Epic(7) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Empty Feat Slot
28· · Epic(8) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Empty Feat Slot
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Strength: +1 Level up
29· · Epic(9) · · · · ·
30· · Epic(10)· · · · ·Epic Feat: Empty Feat Slot
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Legendary: Empty Feat Slot
31· · Legendary(1)· · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Empty Feat Slot
32· · Legendary(2)· · ·Strength: +1 Level up

Enhancements: 80 APs
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Human - Points spent: 8
Core1 Versatility I: Melee and Ranged Power
Tier1 Improved Recovery I
Core2 Adaptability: +1 Constitution
Tier2 Fighting Style: Great Weapon Aptitude - 3 Ranks
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Knight of the Chalice - Points spent: 39
Core1 Slayer of Evil I
Tier1 Improved Second Strikes - 3 Ranks
Tier1 Holy Combatant I
Core2 Courage of Heaven
Tier2 Adept Combatant
Tier2 Divine Might - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Exalted Attack: Exalted Cleave
Tier2 Critical Mastery - 3 Ranks
Tier3 Holy Combatant II
Tier3 Ability I: +1 Strength
Core3 Slayer of Evil II
Tier4 Vigor of Life I
Tier4 Knight's Training
Tier4 Censure Demons
Core4 Improved Courage of Heaven
Tier4 Ability II: +1 Strength
Tier5 Ascendancy
Tier5 Censure Outsiders
Tier5 Vigor of Life II
Core5 Slayer of Evil III
Tier5 Holy Retribution: Holy Retribution
Tier5 Avenging Attack: Avenging Cleave
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Sacred Defender - Points spent: 33
Core1 Holy Bastion
Tier1 Extra Lay on Hands - 3 Ranks
Tier1 Improved Sacred Defense I: Durable Defense - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Improved Sacred Defense II: Resilient Defense - 3 Ranks
Core2 Sacred Defence
Tier2 Bulwark Aura - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Instinctive Defense - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Defense Boost - 2 Ranks
Tier3 Ability I: +1 Charisma
Core3 Divine Righteousness
Tier3 Resistance Aura - 3 Ranks
Tier4 Ability II: +1 Charisma
Core4 Redemption
Tier4 Swift Defense
Tier4 Spellshield Aura - 3 Ranks
Core5 Glorious Stand
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Epic Destinies: 40 APs + 0 permanent Destiny Points
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Spells· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · School· · · · ·DC
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Paladin Spells
L1: Cure Light Wounds · · · · · · · · · · · Conjuration · · 13
L1: Divine Favor· · · · · · · · · · · · · · Evocation · · · 13
L1: Protection from Evil· · · · · · · · · · Abjuration· · · 13
L1: Virtue· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · Transmutation · 13
L2: Angelskin · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · Abjuration· · · 14
L2: Resist Energy · · · · · · · · · · · · · Abjuration· · · 14
L2: Righteous Command · · · · · · · · · · · Enchantment · · 14
L3: Cure Moderate Wounds· · · · · · · · · · Conjuration · · 15
L3: Prayer· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · Enchantment · · 15
L4: Cure Serious Wounds · · · · · · · · · · Conjuration · · 16
L4: Holy Sword· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · Evocation · · · 16
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Spell Like / Special Abilities
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lay on Hands· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·
Remove Disease· · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·
Unyielding Sovereignty· · · · · · · · · · ·
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I will say I've run 18Pal/2Rog on multiple Hardcore Seasons solo and its great for fast leveling and survivability, HOWEVER the Sacred Fist Pally is actually better for survivability and utility. You can focus mainly on Charisma since it's your hit/dmg stat as a Sacred Fist which frees up more points for your other stats since Strength isn't needed. Your single-target DPS is way higher and the Radiant Servant Tree turns your Turns into full cleanse (blindness, curse) and gives poison/disease immunity vs. the pally disease restore. Also the Radiant Servant Healing (Cure Moderate SLA and Divine Healing) Personally I'm not a huge fan of the Ki system but ****, SF's Ki Wave is a huge cone attack that does incredible damage.
All that said, THF Pally with the way Strikethrough works with Smite (and especially Exalted Smite) being able to hit 3+ enemies for several hundred damage starting at lvl 8 or so is impressive too.

[Saerec]

I will say I've run 18Pal/2Rog on multiple Hardcore Seasons solo and its great for fast leveling and survivability, HOWEVER the Sacred Fist Pally is actually better for survivability and utility. You can focus mainly on Charisma since it's your hit/dmg stat as a Sacred Fist which frees up more points for your other stats since Strength isn't needed. Your single-target DPS is way higher and the Radiant Servant Tree turns your Turns into full cleanse (blindness, curse) and gives poison/disease immunity vs. the pally disease restore. Also the Radiant Servant Healing (Cure Moderate SLA and Divine Healing) Personally I'm not a huge fan of the Ki system but ****, SF's Ki Wave is a huge cone attack that does incredible damage.
All that said, THF Pally with the way Strikethrough works with Smite (and especially Exalted Smite) being able to hit 3+ enemies for several hundred damage starting at lvl 8 or so is impressive too.

Do you have a link to the "Sacred Fist Pally" build that you suggest?

Thanks!

[onikage]

Do you have a link to the "Sacred Fist Pally" build that you suggest?

Thanks!

I don't have an elaborate spreadsheet but I can write the basics of it. How you spend your Stat points are up to you but what you want for sure is:

16 INT
16-17 DEX
14+ CHA
The reason for 16 Int is the 5 Skill Points per level, 2 for Disable Device, 2 for Search and 1 for Concentration (you can do 1 DD and 1 Search now and then and put 2 to Heal if you want)
The reason for 17 Dex is to qualify for Two Weapon Fighting feats (since it applies to handwraps)

With Dark Hunter getting 1 BAB at the start with DD/OL as class skills you can actually get your 2nd TWF Feat at lvl 6 instead of waiting to lvl 9 (if you picked rogue) because of BAB restriction

Now you can do 16 DEX and use your lvl 4 Stat point to bring it to 17 if thats easier for Stat Cost at Character Creation (however ALL future Stat Points should go to CHA)
8 Wisdom is fine since by the time you can cast spells you can find +Wis items that bring it high enough to cast that rank

You might as well leave WIS low because you'll be taking Force of Personality almost for sure at lvl 1 or 3 (Lvl 1 if you start rogue and lvl 3 if you start Dark Hunter)

By Level 12 your 5 Feats (unless you pick Human) most likely will be:
Two Weapon Fighting
Force of Personality
Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Swords to Plowshares
Greater Two Weapon Fighting

I will add that I'm Premium but have been F2P for the past 15+ Years so I don't have any special races other than Warforged and I don't include Tomes and whatnot in my builds because most players don't have access to them.

My Current 1Rog/12SF is able to solo Ravenloft "Invitation to Dinner" Elite (no wands or clickies) and pretty much anything that is At Level on Hard (IE, quest is lvl 10 on Hard and I'm lvl 10) because of Radiant Servant survivability and Sacred Fist defense options (High AC, Dodge% ect).

ONE big warning tho is that Low Strength can lead to a really bad time if you get hit with Enfeeblement because not only are you "helpless" if it hits 0, if you're ever Encumbered beyond Light you lose Centered and most of your bonuses

[C-Dog]

Do you have a link to the "Sacred Fist Pally" build that you suggest?

There have been several opinions on "What makes the best SF?" Some prefer quarterstaff, some go fists, some more martial weapons. Some go pure, some splash and dip (some more than 2 levels!). Many builds take 1 (or more!) Monk for the Stances, and/or 1 Favored Soul for the Trance (short-duration 1/2 Wis modifier to Damage).

For my money, the Whirlwind multi-class (last listed below) seems solid. If you're only going to 20, I think most any of them will work well (and I haven't run them all to compare them). However, if you want to mix in Trapping (as suggested above), that's a diff angle again. Ymmv.

Here are some threads w builds and/or discussions:

o Latest: Jan 23 SF multi Stunning Fist + staff https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showth...=1#post6566206

o Strimtom https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showth...=1#post6538315

o Unbongwah's multi suggestion https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showth...=1#post6559902

o SF 18/1 Monk/1 FvS Whirlwind Attack "spin and win" (sketch) https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showth...=1#post6570919

Note that SF doesn't get "Wisdom to Damage" until SF Level 6, so until then it relies on whatever Str you have. Can be a slow start, but then it's all good, so tough it out and play the long game.

My Current 1Rog/12SF is able to solo Ravenloft "Invitation to Dinner" Elite ... I'm lvl 10)

Your Rog 1/SF 12 is Level 10... that's a good trick!

[prynts]

Thx for all discuss guys!

Till now my pal18/rog2 are doing good while leveling on elites or r1



And now im doing some plans for the next pally life, and prolly gonna do Sacred Fist
For the level 18 feat i got some choices, but i dont know wich is a good one
(quicken spell, diehard, power attack, two weapon defense, weapon focus: blud, or maybe lowering some con to rise wis and get stunning fist)


This is what i got for now on planner, tell what u think about



Character name:
Classes: 18 Sacred Fist, 10 Epic, 2 Legendary, 1 Favored Soul, 1 Rogue
Race: Human · · · · · · · ·Alignment: Lawful Good

· · ·Start Tome Final · · ·Incorp:· · ·0% · · ·Displacement:· · 0%
Str:· · ·8· · 8 · ·16 · · ·HP:· · · · 891 · · ·AC:· · 53
Dex:· · 15· · 8 · ·23 · · ·PRR: · · · ·10
Con:· · 15· · 8 · ·24 · · ·MRR: · · · ·10 · · ·+Healing Amp:· · 80
Int:· · ·8· · 8 · ·16 · · ·Dodge: · ·6/25 · · ·-Healing Amp:· · ·0
Wis:· · 12· · 8 · ·20 · · ·Fort:· · · 10% · · ·Repair Amp:· · · ·0
Cha:· · 18· · 8 · ·39 · · ·SR:· · · · · 6 · · ·BAB: · · · · · · 23
DR:
Immunities: Natural Disease, Magical Disease, Super-Natural Disease, Fear, Energy Drain

Heroic Past Lives
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Past Life: Monk(2)
Past Life: Paladin


Special Feats
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Falconry Tree
Feydark Illusionist Tree
Harper Agent Tree
Horizon Walker Tree
Inquisitive Tree
Vistani Knife Fighter Tree


Saves:
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Fortitude:· · · · ·46
· vs Poison:· · · ·46
· vs Disease: · · ·46
Will: · · · · · · ·48
· vs Enchantment: ·48
· vs Illusion:· · ·48
· vs Fear:· · · · ·48
· vs Curse: · · · ·48
Reflex: · · · · · ·42
· vs Traps: · · · ·42
· vs Spell: · · · ·42
· vs Magic: · · · ·42
Marked with a * is no fail on a 1 if required DC met

Class and Feat Selection
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Level Class · · · · · ·Feats
1 · · Rogue(1)· · · · ·Standard: Two Weapon Fighting
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Human Bonus: Force of Personality
2 · · Sacred Fist(1)· ·
3 · · Sacred Fist(2)· ·Standard: Precision
4 · · Sacred Fist(3)· ·Charisma: +1 Level up
5 · · Sacred Fist(4)· ·
6 · · Sacred Fist(5)· ·Standard: Swords to Plowshares
7 · · Sacred Fist(6)· ·
8 · · Favored Soul(1) ·Follower of Faith: Follower of Aureon
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
9 · · Sacred Fist(7)· ·Standard: Improved Two Weapon Fighting
10· · Sacred Fist(8)· ·
11· · Sacred Fist(9)· ·
12· · Sacred Fist(10) ·Standard: Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
13· · Sacred Fist(11) ·
14· · Sacred Fist(12) ·
15· · Sacred Fist(13) ·Standard: Greater Two Weapon Fighting
16· · Sacred Fist(14) ·Charisma: +1 Level up
17· · Sacred Fist(15) ·
18· · Sacred Fist(16) ·Standard: Quicken Spell
19· · Sacred Fist(17) ·
20· · Sacred Fist(18) ·Charisma: +1 Level up
21· · Epic(1) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Empty Feat Slot
22· · Epic(2) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Empty Feat Slot
23· · Epic(3) · · · · ·
24· · Epic(4) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Empty Feat Slot
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
25· · Epic(5) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Empty Feat Slot
26· · Epic(6) · · · · ·
27· · Epic(7) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Empty Feat Slot
28· · Epic(8) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Empty Feat Slot
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
29· · Epic(9) · · · · ·
30· · Epic(10)· · · · ·Epic Feat: Empty Feat Slot
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Legendary: Empty Feat Slot
31· · Legendary(1)· · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Empty Feat Slot
32· · Legendary(2)· · ·Charisma: +1 Level up

Enhancements: 80 APs
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Human - Points spent: 8
Core1 Versatility I: Melee and Ranged Power
Core2 Adaptability: +1 Constitution
Tier1 Improved Recovery I
Core3 Versatility II: Skill Boost
Core4 Greater Adaptability: +1 Charisma
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Sacred Fist - Points spent: 35
Core1 Sacred Flame
Tier1 Sacred Strike I
Tier1 Deft Strikes - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Critical Mastery - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Fast Movement
Tier2 Exalted Whirlwind
Core2 Strike Evil
Tier2 Sacred Strike II
Tier3 Light of Hope
Tier3 Ability I: Shadowguard: +1 Charisma
Core3 Soothe the Suffering
Tier3 Sacred Strike III
Tier4 Sacred Strike IV
Tier4 Ability II: Shadowguard: +1 Charisma
Tier4 Light of Glory
Core4 Defend Against Darkness
Core5 Rising Hope
Tier5 Avenging Whirlwind
Tier5 Sacred Strike V
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Sacred Defender - Points spent: 33
Core1 Holy Bastion
Tier1 Extra Lay on Hands - 3 Ranks
Tier1 Improved Sacred Defense I: Durable Defense - 3 Ranks
Core2 Sacred Defence
Tier2 Bulwark Aura - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Instinctive Defense - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Improved Sacred Defense II: Resilient Defense - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Defense Boost - 2 Ranks
Core3 Divine Righteousness
Tier3 Resistance Aura - 3 Ranks
Tier3 Ability I: +1 Charisma
Tier4 Ability II: +1 Charisma
Tier4 Swift Defense
Tier4 Spellshield Aura - 3 Ranks
Core4 Redemption
Core5 Glorious Stand
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War Soul - Points spent: 4
Core1 Smite Foe: Smite Foe (Melee)
Tier1 Divine Might: Divine Might - 3 Ranks
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Epic Destinies: 40 APs + 0 permanent Destiny Points
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Spells· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · School· · · · ·DC
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Favored Soul Spells
Sacred Fist Spells
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Spell Like / Special Abilities
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Lay on Hands· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·
Remove Disease· · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·
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Do you have a link to the "Sacred Fist Pally" build that you suggest?

Thanks!

Maybe u can get some ideas from that, im with +8 tomes, so would need some adjusts to stats

[onikage]

Thx for all discuss guys!

Till now my pal18/rog2 are doing good while leveling on elites or r1



And now im doing some plans for the next pally life, and prolly gonna do Sacred Fist
For the level 18 feat i got some choices, but i dont know wich is a good one
(quicken spell, diehard, power attack, two weapon defense, weapon focus: blud, or maybe lowering some con to rise wis and get stunning fist)

I will say I'm trying a THF Quarterstaff Sacred Fist with 1 Lvl Rogue but its only working as a Human since the build requires a extra feat to get Quarterstaves (Follower of Aureon) as your Favored Weapon since Sacred Fist has to take Handwraps by Default as their Favored.

Feats:
LVL 1: THF and Follower of Aureon
LVL 3: Power Attack
LVL 6: Swords to Plowshares
LVL 9: Improved THF
LVL 12: Greater THF
LVL 15: Force of Personality
LVL 18: Improved Critical (I believe this stacks with Swords to Plowshares because StP stacks with Impact/Keen)

You get the added bonus of 15% Attack Speed with Rogue's Thief Acrobat, 25% Doublestrike from Tier 2 Ability "Quick Strike" and the 3 Imbue Dice for Assassin Tier 2.
Human also gets Strikethrough 20% which is nice because there's no Strikethru on Sacred Fist like there is from Knight of the Chalice

Now you COULD take a 3rd Level of Rogue to get Core 2 Thief Acrobat to get Swords to Plowshares but losing the Core 5 SF Ability that generates lots of extra Ki doesn't seem worth it