It was only LH...

[Cranjis]

Was doin' some raiding earlier and got hit by a black dragon bolt casted by one of those caster Satyr dudes.

No big deal, right? It's only lh and wasn't even casted by a boss, worst it could do is ~300-500 a tick.

NOPE! (Combat): Hardsong Reveler's black dragon bolt hit you for a total of 1,810 points of acid damage after 66 were blocked by energy resistance. (Keep in mind that this was about the damage I received per tick).

A little excessive I think. Black dragon bolt has definitely been overtweaked.

Major question is, though, how long before it gets fixed? If it was doing insane kill-all damage when being cast by a player then I'd bet you it gets nerfed within a few days...but since it's a mob doing the big boy damage, what should we look at...3 or 4 months? If at all?

[magaiti]

I was a legendary raid.
What is your MRR?

[Soulfurnace]

Black dragon bolt got buffed an update ago or something. It's a pain in the butt, honestly.

400 DOT at level 18 on r1. Uh... right... a total of 2k damage over its duration I believe.
In r10's it's basically a death sentence if you're running with a typical group and no proper healer.

[Wizard1406]

Yep BDB seems to be bugged and the mobs got the buffed player version instead of the monster version (multiple spells are different for players and monsters).

Hope they fix it soon.

[jirksa]

Yep BDB seems to be bugged and the mobs got the buffed player version instead of the monster version (multiple spells are different for players and monsters).

Hope they fix it soon.

+1

We have played Baba R3 on saturday. I am no weakling, but I was insta-killed numerous times by this spell. It even has NO saving throw. I didn't know it was buffed in last update... that explains things

[Firebreed]

Recent thread regarding the subject, no way this is WAI.

[adamkatt]

Just like when flamestrike got buffed! exciting stuff!!!

[Cranjis]

I was a legendary raid.

No DOT in a lh raid should be doing that much

[Caarb]

No DOT in a lh raid should be doing that much

Try R10 Tempest Spine!

[Soulfurnace]

Try R10 Tempest Spine!

He said lh. Not r10. Come on...

[Bunker]

Well if the players received a boost to dmg with black dragon bolt, only makes sense that the monster also do.

And yes. It stings a bit more. Bring pots.

[Firebreed]

Well if the players received a boost to dmg with black dragon bolt, only makes sense that the monster also do.

And yes. It stings a bit more. Bring pots.

That... is not how any of this works.

[droid327]

That... is not how any of this works.

Yeah its actually the exact opposite of how it works

Monsters are specifically not supposed to benefit from the buffs to player versions of their spells. Every time in the past they inadvertently got the improved player version, its been identified as NWAI and fixed shortly after

[Bunker]

Yeah its actually the exact opposite of how it works

Monsters are specifically not supposed to benefit from the buffs to player versions of their spells. Every time in the past they inadvertently got the improved player version, its been identified as NWAI and fixed shortly after

tell that to the Mage i met this evening.

(Combat): Mage's black dragon bolt hit you for a total of 1,881 points of acid damage after 61 were blocked by energy resistance.

Well, hopefully it gets fixed "soon"

[Valtan]

That... is not how any of this works.

Are you saying mobs and casters have different base damage numbers for a same spell? I am confused.

[Caarb]

Are you saying mobs and casters have different base damage numbers for a same spell? I am confused.

Yes typically mobs and players have different versions of the same spell (wasnt always the case I believe) because at the upper levels spells cast by monsters do a lot more damage than intended due to scaling. Not all spells have been separated though and it looks like Black Dragon Bolt is another example where a buff to the spell for players in U58 meant a buff to the spell for mobs to the point this spell now does more damage per tick than direct damage spells.

[Tyrande]

Yes typically mobs and players have different versions of the same spell (wasnt always the case I believe) because at the upper levels spells cast by monsters do a lot more damage than intended due to scaling. Not all spells have been separated though and it looks like Black Dragon Bolt is another example where a buff to the spell for players in U58 meant a buff to the spell for mobs to the point this spell now does more damage per tick than direct damage spells.

More than direct damage spells? Hell no. So 1810 is a death sentence for some players, but damage numbers wise on legendary, its on the low side compared to direct damage spells coming from a player.

One of my sorcerer's lightning strike can hit 98,000 on a critical, and 11000 on normal hits. I am certain that's pretty average...
Well, that is kind of minuscule compared to what some of the melees can dish out in one swing. Some average rogue claimed 256,000 damage to the Legendary Lord of Blades on LH on a critical.

I was playing Diablo IV this past weekend, and one of the bosses just hit my level 25 sorcerer with 3 hits of shadowbolt, dead. I know this is not relevant to DDO, but it can show where games are heading, and this is normal, not hard, not elite, ...
maybe there is some mechanic that the player needs to do to avoid that kind of damage.

[Caarb]

More than direct damage spells? Hell no.

One of my sorcerer's lightning strike can hit 98,000 on a critical. I am certain that's pretty average...
Well, that is kind of minuscule compared to what some of the melees can dish out in one swing. Some average rogue claimed 256,000 damage to the Legendary Lord of Blades on LH on a critical.

Direct Damage from mobs

[DarkSkysz]

Try R10 Tempest Spine!

LH = Legendary HARD

[Caarb]

He said lh. Not r10. Come on...

LH = Legendary HARD

I think you guys missed my point. Mobs cast black dragon bolt in Legendary Tempest Spine and it hits for 14-16K per tick before MRR reduction in R10.