It's spelled "Kensei"

[Deslen]

and it's pronounced ken-say.

Also, the server name is "Orien" and it's pronounced Or-ee-en.


Glad I got that out of my system.

You people are driving me nuts!

Do you know what the upside to being a bad speller is? I always have an easy and honest answer to the famous job interview question "What is your weakest point?"

Since this post is clearly directed at me, I shall answer in the words of the 6th legion.

I recognize my failing, and shall work to correct it.

[C-Dog]

But how do you pronounce Orien?

Maybe its a UK/US difference?

Or it's not impossible that that website doesn't know what they're talking about.

o-RI-un is a constellation (and spelled Orion).

OR-ee-un is a ("correct") fantasy pronunciation.

When it comes to non-standard first names, it gets pronounced however the parents pronounce it - and GL with that.

[Arkat]

Since this post is clearly directed at me,

Why is it always about you, Lyrin?

Hint: It's not.

Did you, perhaps, see the recent thread title where Kensei was spelled "Kensi"? Check the Fighter forum if you haven't.


My comment was not directed at anyone in particular. It's something I've noticed over many years playing this game. The recent rash of misspellings (and mispronunciations; don't get me started on Erinyes and the way the DM says it in the Shavarath quests) drove me to start this thread.

[droid327]

OR-ee-un is a ("correct") fantasy pronunciation.

LOL that's an oxymoron

Heck, for all you know it could be OH-reen

[Arkat]

Well, you got 1 out of the 3.

Yep, you got me.

They're and then. Nice.

[Khimberlhyte]

Keith Baker has an FAQ that you can access from his blog site, but you must pay a $5.00 Patreon fee.

I'm not willing to bet that the pronunciations are included, nor am I willing to pay $5.00 just to maybe find out.

So instead, I'll ask how you pronounce "Oriental"?

Here's Keith Baker talking about pronunciation. https://manifest.zone/pronunciations...nations-keith/

Some key quotes from Keith:

"I can certainly tell you how I pronounce them and how I've heard them pronounced but I will say we made a decision when we were creating Eberron to not establish one core pronunciation"

"Essentially look at the word, decide how you'd pronounce it, and there is probably someone in the world who has come to the same conclusion as you. So I have my pronunciations and some of the more common ones that I'll share here, but bear in mind that there is no absolute pronunciation so go with what you're most comfortable with."

Ore-eye-enn it is.

[C-Dog]

LOL that's an oxymoron

Mmmm, not so much a self-contradiction as a self-contained truth - by definition (and in the absence of any authorial clarification), anything "fantasy" is correct if you say it is (hence the quotation marks).

Anyone remember Will Wheaton's comments on how he pronounces "Sahuagin", and why? (hint: it's from the Elvish )

[Arkat]

Here's Keith Baker talking about pronunciation. https://manifest.zone/pronunciations...nations-keith/

Some key quotes from Keith:

"I can certainly tell you how I pronounce them and how I've heard them pronounced but I will say we made a decision when we were creating Eberron to not establish one core pronunciation"

"Essentially look at the word, decide how you'd pronounce it, and there is probably someone in the world who has come to the same conclusion as you. So I have my pronunciations and some of the more common ones that I'll share here, but bear in mind that there is no absolute pronunciation so go with what you're most comfortable with."

Ore-eye-enn it is.

Pronouncing the names of Nations is one thing. Pronouncing names of Houses is another.

Houses still have living members of the families with that name. There is definitely a correct pronunciation of family names and the families know how to say their own names.

Nation names can be different as they may not be family names. Nations consist of many different families and it's certainly possible that many families in one nation might have slightly different pronunciations of the nation than other families might have.

[Deslen]

Why is it always about you, Lyrin?

Hint: It's not.

Well, given the fact that I started a thread with it misspelled that is only a few threads down, I thought I may have been a catalyst xD

I also misspelled it a dozen or so times in my post. Seemed like a safe bet.

While I understand it is not always about me, I like to pretend like it is.

Honestly, though, I do thank you for the thread pointing it out. Terrible as my spelling is, I have worked for decades to improve it. It used to be worse. It will probably never be perfect, but always I endeavor to improve.

[Arkat]

Well, given the fact that I started a thread with it misspelled that is only a few threads down, I thought I may have been a catalyst xD

I also misspelled it a dozen or so times in my post. Seemed like a safe bet.

While I understand it is not always about me, I like to pretend like it is.

Honestly, though, I do thank you for the thread pointing it out. Terrible as my spelling is, I have worked for decades to improve it. It used to be worse. It will probably never be perfect, but always I endeavor to improve.

1. I appreciate your honesty.

2. I've run with you in the past MANY times. I know you're not a dumb guy. I suspect you, like many others, are just in too much of a hurry to get your thoughts out in a forum post.

Not that you asked for my advice, but I'm going to give it anyway:

Slow down and proofread. If there's any question about how to spell something, it's easy to look it up.

Good luck in your efforts to improve!

[Mindos]

Anyone remember Will Wheaton's comments on how he pronounces "Sahuagin", and why? (hint: it's from the Elvish )

I've been trying to look this up. Do you have more info?

[Nugaot]

I've been trying to look this up. Do you have more info?

It's in one of the commentary tracks in TOEE. Couldn't tell you which it is since they cut up the quests into 7 parts, but good luck!

[Aelonwy]

Pronouncing the names of Nations is one thing. Pronouncing names of Houses is another.

Houses still have living members of the families with that name. There is definitely a correct pronunciation of family names and the families know how to say their own names.

Nation names can be different as they may not be family names. Nations consist of many different families and it's certainly possible that many families in one nation might have slightly different pronunciations of the nation than other families might have.

Fantasy Houses, Fantasy Nations, Fantasy... Families?

Even in the DM narration of DDO I've heard House Deneith and House Kundarak pronounced at least 3 different ways each.

DAY-nith
Day-NEETH
Duh-NEE-ith

Koon-DAR-ak
KOON-dur-ak
Kuhn-DAR-ak (maybe also with emphasis on first syllable rather than second)

Pronunciation and even spelling can be regional. Color/colour, gray/grey

And how many misspellings or misusage are actually just poor typing rather than poor language skills? how many are English is not the first language issues?

The Community Rules link on the forums is STILL NOT working for me but I'm pretty sure any actual consistent correction of others over their spelling, grammar, or typing skills is probably frowned upon. I suppose a separate thread like this where you can correct the forum populace in general and no one particular is the best, most appropriate response to a pet peeve. Your signature is a good example of that peeve too.

Take a deep breath someday... when technology has taken over everything we'll all be linked to our computers and just think directly to each other. Perhaps spelling and grammar will be less an issue when we're all communicating in imagery and concepts. Or perhaps emojis will take over language and we'll all be speaking in modern hieroglyphics. Hmmm. Okay, less peaceful deep breaths... time for panic breathing.

[Kakow]

So enlighten me What did Ken Say?

The same thing the fox did.

[C-Dog]

I've been trying to look this up. Do you have more info?

As Nug said, it's in the ToEE.

Basically, he interprets it as having come from the Elvish for the creatures, and is pronounced (roughly) "S'wha-(g)heehn" (very breathy "g" sound, almost an "h"). Makes what (for me) has always been a very odd fantasy word into a colorful extension of the larger world.

The same thing the fox did.

So, basically Ecky-ecky-ecky-ecky-pikang-zoom-boing-mnm-zhaow-zhin

[Sylvado]

Two too many to care.

[magaiti]

Fantasy Houses, Fantasy Nations, Fantasy... Families?

Even in the DM narration of DDO I've heard House Deneith and House Kundarak pronounced at least 3 different ways each.

DAY-nith
Day-NEETH
Duh-NEE-ith

I'm pretty sure I've heard the narrator saying Den-eye-ith

[C-Dog]

Even in the DM narration of DDO I've heard House Deneith and House Kundarak pronounced at least 3 different ways each.

In Info is Key quest, at the very end the narrator refers to the "Fairlane patron" - and he's referring to House Phiarlan.

But that alone doesn't mean he's pronouncing it right, or remotely so - just sayin'.

[salmag]

Fantasy Houses, Fantasy Nations, Fantasy... Families?

Even in the DM narration of DDO I've heard House Deneith and House Kundarak pronounced at least 3 different ways each.

DAY-nith
Day-NEETH
Duh-NEE-ith

Koon-DAR-ak
KOON-dur-ak
Kuhn-DAR-ak (maybe also with emphasis on first syllable rather than second)

Pronunciation and even spelling can be regional. Color/colour, gray/grey

And how many misspellings or misusage are actually just poor typing rather than poor language skills? how many are English is not the first language issues?

The Community Rules link on the forums is STILL NOT working for me but I'm pretty sure any actual consistent correction of others over their spelling, grammar, or typing skills is probably frowned upon. I suppose a separate thread like this where you can correct the forum populace in general and no one particular is the best, most appropriate response to a pet peeve. Your signature is a good example of that peeve too.

Take a deep breath someday... when technology has taken over everything we'll all be linked to our computers and just think directly to each other. Perhaps spelling and grammar will be less an issue when we're all communicating in imagery and concepts. Or perhaps emojis will take over language and we'll all be speaking in modern hieroglyphics. Hmmm. Okay, less peaceful deep breaths... time for panic breathing.

I'm pretty sure I've heard the narrator saying Den-eye-ith

"It doesn't take a Kalashtar..."

Ka-LASH-tar or
KUH-lash-tar

[Oliphant]

Also, the server name is "Orien" and it's pronounced Or-ee-en.

OMG no. No no no no. No no no no no no! I didn't know!! Is it too late for transfer out!?