Had an interesting Conversation with ChatGPT

[Smokewolf]

Was just seeing what the AI could come up with after a little bit of guidance. The results were very surprising to say the least.

Link to ChatGPT (https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt)

Below is the full conversation...

Smokewolf
Please help me build a level 32 Wizard for Dungeons and Dragons Online. Specifically I would like a Pale Master, that uses the best possible combination of Equipment that's appropriate for the class and level. Also include Epic Destinies, Racial and Class feats, while Ideally maximizing Intelligence, Constitution, Spell DC's, Physical and Magical Resistance Ratings. Please keep in mind that the Wizard will sometimes need to melee during situations where the spells are not very well suited. So I'd suggest using a Bastard Sword and Shield, with the necessary feats needed to maximize physical combat. The Epic Destinies that could be best suited for this build are Exalted Angel, Unyielding Sentinel, Shadowdancer and Magus of the Eclipse. However you can only use three of the Destinies that I've provided, so I'll let you decide how to spend my 64 Epic Destiny points to maximize the builds potential. Some other Details of that may be helpful... No green steel equipment, Wizard will start using +8 Stat Tome, please use the equipment from Update 50 onwards as some of the older gear may not be suitable.

Sure, I can help you create a level 32 Pale Master Wizard for Dungeons and Dragons Online. Here is a build that should meet your requirements:

Race: Human

Starting Stats (after adding +8 Tome):

Strength: 8
Dexterity: 8
Constitution: 22
Intelligence: 34
Wisdom: 8
Charisma: 8
Class Feats:

Maximize Spell
Empower Spell
Heighten Spell
Quicken Spell
Spell Focus: Necromancy
Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy
Toughness
Power Attack
Cleave
Great Cleave
Epic Feats:

Epic Toughness x3
Epic Spell Focus: Necromancy
Epic Spell Penetration
Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
Overwhelming Critical: Slashing
Blinding Speed
Racial Feats:

Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy
Enhancements:

Pale Master (41 APs):

Dread Necromancer
Skeletal Knight
Deathless Vigor
Rejuvenation Cocoon
Pale Master's Undead Form
Master of Undeath
Energy Drain
Necrotic Blast
Skeletal Minions
Negative Energy Burst
Archmage (20 APs):

Improved Mage Armor
Improved Shield
Energy Criticals
Greater Ruin
Arcane Barrier
Improved Elemental Resistance
Kensai (10 APs):

Weapon Focus: Slashing
Weapon Specialization: Slashing
Toughness
Destiny Points:

We will spend the 64 Epic Destiny points across three of the four epic destinies you've suggested:

Exalted Angel (24 EP):

Divine Might
Divine Will
Lay on Hands
Resilience of Battle
Toughness
Unyielding Sentinel (20 EP):

Unyielding Defense
Unbreakable
Unyielding Sentinel Stance
Toughness
Shadowdancer (20 EP):

Sneak Attack Training
Improved Uncanny Dodge
Shadowdancer's Escape
Toughness
Magus of the Eclipse (0 EP):
We will not spend any points in this destiny.

Equipment:

Here are some recommended pieces of equipment for your Pale Master Wizard. Note that some of these may be difficult to obtain:

Head: Legendary Enduring Convalescence Helm
Neck: Legendary Swirling Smoke Necklace
Trinket: Legendary Charm of Undying Will
Cloak: Legendary Pansophic Circlet
Belt: Legendary Animated Rope
Ring 1: Legendary Ring of Shadows
Ring 2: Legendary Ring of the Master Artificer
Gloves: Legendary Archmagi Gloves
Boots: Legendary Acute Boots
Bracers: Legendary Slave Lords' Bracers
Armor: Legendary Shroud of the Abbot

Weapon and Shield:

Epic Ornamented Bastard Sword of Pure Good
Legendary Anarchic Orb
Legendary Invulnerability Shield
With this build, you will have high Intelligence and Constitution for better spell DCs and survivability. You will also have a high physical resistance rating due to the Pale Master enhancements and the Kensai enhancements, as well as good magical resistance ratings due to the Archmage enhancements. You will be able to use your Bastard Sword and Shield effectively due to the Kensai enhancements, and your melee damage output will be decent due to the Power Attack, Cleave, and




Smokewolf
Looks pretty good for a first attempt. Just a few corrections for you... Kensai enhancement Tree is not part of the Wizard class and cleaves are not really needed as Wizards have access to their own versions of it via eldritch knight. Precision is far better than power attack in the later game.
Thank you for the feedback! You are correct, Kensai is not part of the Wizard class and Precision is a better feat than Power Attack for the later game. I apologize for the mistake.

Here's an updated build:

Race: Human

Starting Stats (after adding +8 Tome):

Strength: 8
Dexterity: 8
Constitution: 22
Intelligence: 34
Wisdom: 8
Charisma: 8
Class Feats:

Maximize Spell
Empower Spell
Heighten Spell
Quicken Spell
Spell Focus: Necromancy
Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy
Toughness
Epic Feats:

Epic Toughness x3
Epic Spell Focus: Necromancy
Epic Spell Penetration
Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
Overwhelming Critical: Slashing
Blinding Speed
Precision
Racial Feats:

Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy
Enhancements:

Pale Master (41 APs):

Dread Necromancer
Skeletal Knight
Deathless Vigor
Rejuvenation Cocoon
Pale Master's Undead Form
Master of Undeath
Energy Drain
Necrotic Blast
Skeletal Minions
Negative Energy Burst
Archmage (20 APs):

Improved Mage Armor
Improved Shield
Energy Criticals
Greater Ruin
Arcane Barrier
Improved Elemental Resistance
Eldritch Knight (12 APs):

Cleave
Great Cleave
Critical Mastery
Improved Critical: Slashing
Destiny Points:

We will spend the 64 Epic Destiny points across three of the four epic destinies you've suggested:

Exalted Angel (24 EP):

Divine Might
Divine Will
Lay on Hands
Resilience of Battle
Toughness
Unyielding Sentinel (20 EP):

Unyielding Defense
Unbreakable
Unyielding Sentinel Stance
Toughness
Shadowdancer (20 EP):

Sneak Attack Training
Improved Uncanny Dodge
Shadowdancer's Escape
Toughness
Magus of the Eclipse (0 EP):
We will not spend any points in this destiny.

Equipment:

Here are some recommended pieces of equipment for your Pale Master Wizard. Note that some of these may be difficult to obtain:

Head: Legendary Enduring Convalescence Helm
Neck: Legendary Swirling Smoke Necklace
Trinket: Legendary Charm of Undying Will
Cloak: Legendary Pansophic Circlet
Belt: Legendary Animated Rope
Ring 1: Legendary Ring of Shadows
Ring 2: Legendary Ring of the Master Artificer
Gloves: Legendary Archmagi Gloves
Boots: Legendary Acute Boots
Bracers: Legendary Slave Lords' Bracers
Armor: Legendary Shroud of the Abbot

Weapon and Shield:

Epic Ornamented Bastard Sword of Pure Good
Legendary Anarchic Orb
Legendary Invulnerability Shield
With this build, you will have high Intelligence and Constitution for better spell DCs and survivability. You will be able to use your Bastard Sword and Shield effectively due to the Eldritch Knight enhancements, and your melee damage output will be decent due to the Precision and Improved Critical: Slashing feats. You will also have good physical and magical resistance ratings due to the Pale Master and Archmage enhancements.




Smokewolf
Is there a reason you chose Human for the race as I would of thought that the Gnome would make a better Wizard?
You are correct that Gnomes can make excellent Wizards due to their racial bonuses. Gnomes get a +2 racial bonus to Intelligence, which is great for boosting spell DCs, and a +1 racial bonus to all saving throws, which helps with survivability. In addition, Gnomes also have access to the Illusion DC enhancement in their enhancement tree, which can be very useful for crowd control.

The reason I chose Human for the race is because of their extra feat at level 1, which allows for more customization and flexibility in the build. The extra feat can be used to take Toughness at level 1, which provides a significant amount of extra hit points throughout the game. Additionally, Humans can take the Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy feat as a racial feat, which frees up a regular feat slot for something else.

However, if you prefer to play a Gnome instead of a Human, here's a revised build:

Race: Gnome

Starting Stats (after adding +8 Tome):

Strength: 8
Dexterity: 8
Constitution: 22
Intelligence: 36
Wisdom: 8
Charisma: 8
Class Feats:

Maximize Spell
Empower Spell
Heighten Spell
Quicken Spell
Spell Focus: Necromancy
Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy
Toughness
Epic Feats:

Epic Toughness x3
Epic Spell Focus: Necromancy
Epic Spell Penetration
Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
Overwhelming Critical: Slashing
Blinding Speed
Precision
Racial Feats:

Illusion DC
Enhancements:

Pale Master (41 APs):

Dread Necromancer
Skeletal Knight
Deathless Vigor
Rejuvenation Cocoon
Pale Master's Undead Form
Master of Undeath
Energy Drain
Necrotic Blast
Skeletal Minions
Negative Energy Burst
Archmage (20 APs):

Improved Mage Armor
Improved Shield
Energy Criticals
Greater Ruin
Arcane Barrier
Improved Elemental Resistance
Eldritch Knight (12 APs):

Cleave
Great Cleave
Critical Mastery
Improved Critical: Slashing
Destiny Points:

We will spend the 64 Epic Destiny points across three of the four epic destinies you've suggested:

Exalted Angel (24 EP):

Divine Might
Divine Will
Lay on Hands
Resilience of Battle
Toughness
Unyielding Sentinel (20 EP):

Unyielding Defense
Unbreakable
Unyielding Sentinel Stance
Toughness
Shadowdancer (20 EP):

Sneak Attack Training
Improved Uncanny Dodge
Shadowdancer's Escape
Toughness
Magus of the Eclipse (0 EP):
We will not spend any points in this destiny.

Equipment:

Here are some recommended pieces of equipment for your Pale Master Wizard Gnome. Note that some of these may be difficult to obtain:

Head: Legendary Enduring Convalescence Helm
Neck: Legendary Swirling Smoke Necklace
Trinket: Legendary Charm of Undying Will
Cloak: Legendary Pansophic Circlet
Belt: Legendary Animated Rope
Ring 1: Legendary Ring of Shadows
Ring 2: Legendary Ring of the Master Artificer
Gloves: Legendary Archmagi Gloves
**Bo




Smokewolf
I like the build so far except for Blinding Speed... Far as I know of, no one really uses it.
You are correct that Blinding Speed is not a commonly used feat in DDO, as it is often considered less useful compared to other feats. Instead, I would recommend taking the Mental Toughness feat, which grants extra spell points based on your Intelligence modifier. This will give your Pale Master Wizard more spell points to work with, which can be especially helpful when using abilities like Energy Drain and Negative Energy Burst. Here is the revised feat selection:

Class Feats:

Maximize Spell
Empower Spell
Heighten Spell
Quicken Spell
Spell Focus: Necromancy
Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy
Toughness
Mental Toughness
Epic Feats:

Epic Toughness x3
Epic Spell Focus: Necromancy
Epic Spell Penetration
Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
Overwhelming Critical: Slashing
Precision
I hope this updated feat selection better suits your preferences.

[ahpook]

This correlates with what I have seen of ChatGPT. Ask it a question and it will give a reasonable looking answer. But it has no idea if the answer is right. The first answer had flaws and only because the asker knew what the answer should be they were able to get ChatGPT to fix its answer. For people that don't know the answer in advance they can be given an answer that might not be all that good. It is like the guy in the bar who can tell you anything convincingly whether it is true or not. Good for entertainment purposes only.

It is certainly not an oracle that I would want to rely on when it comes with the caveat: You need to know the answer before asking your question so you can spot if you get a bad one.

[Sylvado]

This correlates with what I have seen of ChatGPT. Ask it a question and it will give a reasonable looking answer. But it has no idea if the answer is right. The first answer had flaws and only because the asker knew what the answer should be they were able to get ChatGPT to fix its answer. For people that don't know the answer in advance they can be given an answer that might not be all that good. It is like the guy in the bar who can tell you anything convincingly whether it is true or not. Good for entertainment purposes only.

It is certainly not an oracle that I would want to rely on when it comes with the caveat: You need to know the answer before asking your question so you can spot if you get a bad one.

It is a next generation search engine, the AI mantle throws people off. I like it because it can make me look like I paid as much attention in English class as I did in Math and Science.

[Smokewolf]

This correlates with what I have seen of ChatGPT. Ask it a question and it will give a reasonable looking answer. But it has no idea if the answer is right. The first answer had flaws and only because the asker knew what the answer should be they were able to get ChatGPT to fix its answer. For people that don't know the answer in advance they can be given an answer that might not be all that good. It is like the guy in the bar who can tell you anything convincingly whether it is true or not. Good for entertainment purposes only.

It is certainly not an oracle that I would want to rely on when it comes with the caveat: You need to know the answer before asking your question so you can spot if you get a bad one.

Yeah, I totally agree with your points there.

What I was trying to ascertain is if it could be "guided" to make a viable build. Which I definitely think it could with the correct feedback. Just think of how handy it could be to create or possibly remix an existing build. Sort of like the HAL9000 of character planers. Well ok, you won't have to worry about it killing you due to a conflict of commands, but it was a fun exercise.

-Smoke

[ahpook]

It is a next generation search engine, the AI mantle throws people off. I like it because it can make me look like I paid as much attention in English class as I did in Math and Science.

Not really a search engine as it assembles the answer and provides it without provenance. Compared that to what we currently think of a search engine which says here is an answer I found on "NYT" and "The Onion" you can chose which to go to for your answer. And you are right that the AI tag throws people off. The big risk is that people don't think about what they are getting back from such a tool.

[KoobTheProud]

Not really a search engine as it assembles the answer and provides it without provenance. Compared that to what we currently think of a search engine which says here is an answer I found on "NYT" and "The Onion" you can chose which to go to for your answer. And you are right that the AI tag throws people off. The big risk is that people don't think about what they are getting back from such a tool.

Many people don't really think about what they find on the web anyway. So, to your point: the real problem with ChatGPT is that the people who don't cross-check for verity will see ChatGPT as an authority when it is in fact a village idiot.

[YUTANG75]

Hahaha, that bot really loves toughness!

The item names it came up with were great, so I had to ask it for some ideas for new legendary items. Took some persuading to get there but it came up with:

Legendary Staff of the Arcanist: This legendary staff is a powerful tool for spellcasters, providing bonuses to spell power, spell penetration, and critical hit chance. In addition, it allows the wielder to cast certain spells at a higher level than normal.


Legendary Amulet of the Undead Slayer: This legendary amulet is designed to provide its wearer with increased power against undead enemies. It provides bonuses to damage against undead, immunity to certain undead abilities, and the ability to cast certain spells that are particularly effective against the undead.


Legendary Shield of the Guardian: This legendary shield is a powerful tool for tanks and defenders, providing bonuses to defense, damage reduction, and threat generation. In addition, it allows the wielder to use certain defensive abilities more frequently than normal.


Legendary Dagger of the Assassin: This legendary dagger is a prized possession of rogues and other stealthy characters, providing bonuses to stealth, critical hit chance, and sneak attack damage. In addition, it allows the wielder to use certain stealth abilities more effectively than normal.


Legendary Ring of the Planeswalker: This legendary ring provides its wearer with the ability to travel between different planes of existence at will. It also provides bonuses to spell power and spell penetration when casting spells on different planes, and can be used to summon powerful planar allies to aid the wearer in combat.

Fairly generic stuff, though asking it for the effects of the dagger was interesting:

However, if we were to create a Legendary Dagger of the Assassin with a level 32 requirement, here are some potential effects it could have:


+10 Enhancement Bonus to Attack and Damage Rolls
+10 Competence Bonus to Hide and Move Silently
+5 Critical Threat Range
+20% Critical Damage
On Critical Hit: Target is Stunned for 6 Seconds
+5 Sneak Attack Die
5% Chance to Cast Greater Invisibility for 30 Seconds on a Successful Sneak Attack
+5 Dexterity
+5 Wisdom
Red Augment Slot (for additional customization)

[ahpook]

Many people don't really think about what they find on the web anyway.

That is true and for those people ChatGPT is likely better as it will probably find better resources than they may have chosen for themselves. But really those people will only get their info from facebook, youTube and Tick Tok posts that get pushed at them by those systems bias reinforcement algorithms.

For those that can make a choice, ChatGPT will make it harder as you will need to dig in to find out why it tells you what it does. That will be another hurdle that many will choose to avoid.

[droid327]

Archmage:

Greater Ruin

Hold on gonna go reroll my wizard real quick

[Sylvado]

tool.

That is the part that people don't get, it is just a tool.

[Arkat]

That is the part that people don't get, it is just a tool.

And not a very sharp one...yet.

[mbartol]

Maybe ChatGPT can find me a recipe that calls for tide pods. It’s not only stupid questions that yield stupid answers, but also stupid sources.

Regarding having it generate a reasonable build, it took a lot of coaching from Smoke (a player that doesn’t need the help building this example) to produce something that is (almost) useable. I’m curious, can you restrict the field of source material for ChatGPT to search (specific sites and dates)?

Sure, this was just for a little fun, but if the exercise is actually training the AI to learn how to build DDO builds, then it would be worth the effort. At this point in time, however, the AI is just not capable. Go download a character planner and hit one of the forums for advice.

[Smokewolf]

Maybe ChatGPT can find me a recipe that calls for tide pods. It’s not only stupid questions that yield stupid answers, but also stupid sources.

Regarding having it generate a reasonable build, it took a lot of coaching from Smoke (a player that doesn’t need the help building this example) to produce something that is (almost) useable. I’m curious, can you restrict the field of source material for ChatGPT to search (specific sites and dates)?

Sure, this was just for a little fun, but if the exercise is actually training the AI to learn how to build DDO builds, then it would be worth the effort. At this point in time, however, the AI is just not capable. Go download a character planner and hit one of the forums for advice.

The "free" AI is limited to using a dataset from Sept 2021.

To answer your question, yes you can setup parameters for the AI to work within. Then further refine the results (as I did) by providing constructive feedback.

Side note: There is a Pay-For version of the AI which is likely up-to-par with current events. Would be interesting to see how it would fair to trying to solve the end-game gear Tertris.

-Smoke

[cmecu]

As a computer science .. well may as well say graduate.. on my last class. I feel its an unethical road to go down, to have artificial intelligence. People already depend too much on say things like the government. Now people will put all their thinking process into an intelligence that takes out the human factor. Its like having a sociopath in control of your thought process. Too much technology, too fast, and not enough time to contemplate the risks.
But hey, what does it matter any more, with more years behind me than in front, its not my future I will have to live in, its the younger generation. best of luck to them, their going to need it.

[Arkat]

As a computer science .. well may as well say graduate.. on my last class. I feel its an unethical road to go down, to have artificial intelligence.

I'm ok with a limited AI, one that never becomes sentient.

I can see limited AIs as being useful, especially when it comes to looking at HUGE amounts of data.

[KoobTheProud]

I'm ok with a limited AI, one that never becomes sentient.

I can see limited AIs as being useful, especially when it comes to looking at HUGE amounts of data.

This is not controllable in a society dominated by private interests all looking to make 3% gains to control their markets.

The first sentient AI is likely to be a total accident. Somebody will take one of the future iterations of an interactive AI and give it full access to the internet in a self-learning capability and sentience will emerge at some point in the process.

The real problem is that this first sentient AI will be learning from us and if you take an objective look at human history you're likely to emerge with a fascination with power and control and at that point we're cooked.

[spifflove]

I'm ok with a limited AI, one that never becomes sentient.

I can see limited AIs as being useful, especially when it comes to looking at HUGE amounts of data.

[Smokewolf]

That bots actions are not AI controlled, but maped out in advance. Each movement is similar to animating a character using a flip book. (Frame by frame)

[ShifterThePirate]

Maybe SSG should ask it how to fix the server lag

[cmecu]

Maybe SSG should ask it how to fix the server lag

Think they may be afraid of the answer.. it will come back.. either laughing or it may suggest to just scrub the entire game and make a new one with newer engine and program language. But that really isnt SSG , more EG7 the owners. Its a shame there is so much red tape with trying to produce a good up to date Dungeons and Dragons game. I thought Hidden Path was going to have a AAA Dungeons and Dragons game, but doesnt seem it went anywhere. Dead before it got started I guess.


Or the AI could just come back and do this..