Should regular Ranger get Cure Critical since Dark Hunter gets it?

[Firebreed]

Right now Dark Hunter gets:
- Cure Light Admixture as a level 1 spell
- Cure Moderate Admixture as a level 2 spell
- Cure Serious Admixture as a level 3 spell
- Cure Critical Admixture as a level 4 spell
This makes a lot of sense.

On the contrary, regular Ranger gets:
- Cure Light as a level 2 spell
- Cure Moderate as a level 3 spell
- Cure Serious as a level 4 spell

Do you think that the regular Rangers' Cures should be bumped down a spell level and Cure Critical be added to their level 4 spell list?

Other arguments (besides the obvious argument of Ranger & Dark Hunter having near-equal healing capabilities):
1) It would give Rangers a healing spell at every spell level.
2) It would increase variety in Ranger level 4 spells, as right now they are forced to take the same 4 spells no matter what, due to lack of available options.

[JOTMON]

When are druids getting all their cure spells converted to admixtures.

[Firebreed]

When are druids getting all their cure spells converted to admixtures.

I'm not sure if you were joking or not, but just to be clear, I'm not advocating for the Ranger's Cure spells to be converted to admixtures, just for them to get the Dark Hunter's equivalent of Cure Critical.

[yfernbottom]

Right now Dark Hunter gets:
- Cure Light Admixture as a level 1 spell
- Cure Moderate Admixture as a level 2 spell
- Cure Serious Admixture as a level 3 spell
- Cure Critical Admixture as a level 4 spell
This makes a lot of sense.

On the contrary, regular Ranger gets:
- Cure Light as a level 2 spell
- Cure Moderate as a level 3 spell
- Cure Serious as a level 4 spell

Do you think that the regular Rangers' Cures should be bumped down a spell level and Cure Critical be added to their level 4 spell list?

Other arguments (besides the obvious argument of Ranger & Dark Hunter having near-equal healing capabilities):
1) It would give Rangers a healing spell at every spell level.
2) It would increase variety in Ranger level 4 spells, as right now they are forced to take the same 4 spells no matter what, due to lack of available options.

While admixtures are nice for the splash heal, they are fiddley to target and not nearly as reliable for self heling as a result in my experience. I personally feel like having the DH line line start at level 1 instead of 2 is a good tradeoff for replacing spells I consider much easier to use.

[Firebreed]

Flavor wise I feel like regular Ranger should be better at healing than Dark Hunter, or at least on par.

[Oliphant]

I'm that rare fan of healing admixtures because they are relatively fast compared to mass heal and can go far in the right situation but I'm finding curative admixtures to be not worth the time to use at all.

[Oxarhamar]

I'm that rare fan of healing admixtures because they are relatively fast compared to mass heal and can go far in the right situation but I'm finding curative admixtures to be not worth the time to use at all.

Cure admixtures need every meta turned on to be worth anything later in the game and are still wonky to use

I really like them but as a self healing option they are garbage in Reaper for a party they are ok for topping off between fights just dont expect to heal thru combat much as

[Melkazar]

Thanks for your reply on my thread, Firebreed, here's a reply on yours.

I hate the admixtures for self healing. Searching for F1 in the middle of a fight is a suicide act sometimes. I sometimes run to a wall just to fire off a heal. Grateful that the top of the line will be cure critical but I try to keep my UMD high enough to scroll heal and in epic I use Cocoon. I cannot remember the last time my main ranger actually used a cure spell vs cocoon. Oh, well. Only 12 more levels to go...

[Oxarhamar]

Thanks for your reply on my thread, Firebreed, here's a reply on yours.

I hate the admixtures for self healing. Searching for F1 in the middle of a fight is a suicide act sometimes. I sometimes run to a wall just to fire off a heal. Grateful that the top of the line will be cure critical but I try to keep my UMD high enough to scroll heal and in epic I use Cocoon. I cannot remember the last time my main ranger actually used a cure spell vs cocoon. Oh, well. Only 12 more levels to go...

I keep admixtures on mouse buttons but only for healing others for self healing its trash in Reaper even with every meta & hamp

[Oliphant]

Cure admixtures need every meta turned on to be worth anything later in the game and are still wonky to use

Sounds like an Arti thing maybe to have metamagic feats. I probably can't spare any for Ranger.

[Oxarhamar]

Sounds like an Arti thing maybe to have metamagic feats. I probably can't spare any for Ranger.

Yep or Alchemist which gets even better Heal admixture

[Halciet]

While admixtures are nice for the splash heal, they are fiddley to target and not nearly as reliable for self heling as a result in my experience. I personally feel like having the DH line line start at level 1 instead of 2 is a good tradeoff for replacing spells I consider much easier to use.

Ever since they added alchemist throw at feet damage bottles, all the admixtures ought to get a Spell multi-selector to do the same.

[Bjond]

Right now Dark Hunter gets [..] regular Rangers' Cures should be bumped

IMHO, the only reason to play a regular ranger now is for AA Bow builds and heavy FE builds. I expect regular Ranger to die off. So, buffing it's heals from teeny tiny to just tiny won't upset balance.

[Goldenlogic123]

IMHO, the only reason to play a regular ranger now is for AA Bow builds and heavy FE builds. I expect regular Ranger to die off. So, buffing it's heals from teeny tiny to just tiny won't upset balance.

No i dont think regular rangers should get better heals. The dark hunter heals are not that big of a thing more of a little flare to the archetype than anything. I do like the dark archer alot though not for the heals though for sure. the heal targeting doesnt bother me at all simply hit F1 and its easy.