Dark Ranger, Just a Rogue with a wolf

[Damien_Vampyre]

I am very disappointed that this is basically just a rogue with a wolf. Here I was saving all these BOWS with assassinate on them for absolutely no reason. Because hey, why would anyone think a ranger with assassinate would be using only melee. I sincerely wish they would allow melee/ranged on this instead of melee only. Because why not just roll a friggin rogue.....
And yes I realize there's Falconry, but why oh why only cater to one build?

[Saekee]

I am for ranged assassinate on them so I agree.

I think these guys would be good with kukris or even scimitars, something I suggested for the TA rogue tree.

[Mamalian]

It's a trash fire.

[SilentRunning]

Damien_Vampyre
Dark Ranger, Just a Rogue with a wolf

I am very disappointed that this is basically just a rogue with a wolf. Here I was saving all these BOWS with assassinate on them for absolutely no reason. Because hey, why would anyone think a ranger with assassinate would be using only melee. I sincerely wish they would allow melee/ranged on this instead of melee only. Because why not just roll a friggin rogue.....
And yes I realize there's Falconry, but why oh why only cater to one build?

Look, someone else who doesn't bother to do any research before complaining.

[Tilomere]

I am for ranged assassinate on them so I agree.

Repeater crit multiplier + gnome racial crit range ... quad repeater shot assassinate ... IPS. ... quad aimed/sniper/pluck.




Dark hunter base is a solid platform. You get a trapping platform for non-evasion builds, which gets some bonus ranger feats and BaB instead of evasion from rogue. If you weren't planning on using evasion anyways, that's pure win. I think DH crossbow is an important replacement to DG EK and SDK zombie builds that were removed from viability with %HP pass, especially because it is free (6 ranger 13 arti 1 wiz) and new player friendly (+25% HP and ranged).

Plus if you keep your DH pet on passive next to you, auto=diplomacy and active diplomacy use will hit it, stacking observation from Inquisitive. So even just a passive pet is useful. Worst case scenario, there is always inquisitive:

Beautiful on the Inside (Dark Hunter variant)

Starting Stats:
High Charisma, Dex 13 (assumes +6 dex tome), solid Int for trapping

Feats and levels:
1 Fighter Precision, Point Blank Shot, Rapid Reload
2-8 Dark Apostate Quicken, Extend, Luck Domain
9-12 Dark Hunter Rapid Shot (DH), Precise Shot (DH), Empower, Empower Healing
13-15 Fighter IPS (Fighter),IC:R (Fighter), Force of Personality
16-20 Dark Hunter Maximize
21 Overwhelming Critical
22 Spell Power
24 Intensify
25 Doubleshot
27 Epic Reflexes
28 Law/Chaos matching alignment, or arcane warrior/spell power/deific warding
30 Reincarnate

Enhancements:
1 (+16 Racial/Tome) Purple Dragon Knight: HAMP, CHR power Surge,
13 Stalwart Defender: PRR/MRR/Saves/% HP (delay)
6 Warpriest: Divine Might, + Imbue die
40 (+1 Tome) Inquisitive: Divine inquisition and stuffs (delay some)
8 Kensai: +3 action boosts+2 cores (delay)
9 FI Charisma to hit and dmg, missile immunity (10 prr/mrr with spells)
3 Dark Apostate: imbue

Epic Destinies:
US: Renewal 20-22 swap to Draconic +3 Imbue die/no fail fort at 23
Legendary Dreadnaught: Imbue Dice, action boosts, haste on action boost usage
Primal Avatar: Mantle, Thorns and Carrion Swarm Strike, Heart secondary focus: Reborn in Fire + mantle +3 imbue die at 23

Sentience:
Art:
10 Ranged Power
Wep:
10 Ranged Power
Snow Peaks Imbue 1 +1 Imbue
Reverberation 2 +2 Imbue (+2 Cha, +10 USP)
Long Shadow 3 +2 Imbue (RP, Cha, +1 Hit/Dmg)
Electrocution 3 +2 Imbue (prr/mrr/stuffs)

Gear of Note:
Epic Bramble Caster gloves + Epic Ring of Baphomet set ring
Flamecleansed Fury plate/bracers/Cloak set
Storm with Diplomacy Augment, endless night
Epic VOM
Sunken Slippers
Epic Elder's Knowledge neck + helm
Belt of Whirling Blades
Shield Clicky
Epic Quiver of Alacrity
Cannith ring positive/fire spell power, charisma, ins. charisma, festive charisma, exceptional charisma (lvl 20/23+)
Cannith goggles for seeker+deadly+ins. seeker
Augment hero/acc/con/quick draw/deathblock/stats/saves/etc.

[Damien_Vampyre]

Look, someone else who doesn't bother to do any research before complaining.

Show me in their skill tree where they are not JUST like an Assassin Rogue just with a wolf. I must be blind here....

[SilentRunning]

Damien_Vampyre

Show me in their skill tree where they are not JUST like an Assassin Rogue just with a wolf. I must be blind here....

Indeed you are blind here or you would see that Tilomere has decided to work with what's available and it looks decent to me what he's come up with, you on the other hand are just complaining to complain.

[Tilomere]

Show me in their skill tree where they are not JUST like an Assassin Rogue just with a wolf. I must be blind here....

Use Tabaxi racial ap for evasion, light weapon/sneak die bonuses, and fast movement.

Make a pure 20 tempest trapmonkey not requiring rogue levels, able to get capstone, with bonus sneak die, that is in all ways simply superior to a regular tempest.

Or just the repeater version with DH and gnome of the above inquisitor build.

[Damien_Vampyre]

Indeed you are blind here or you would see that Tilomere has decided to work with what's available and it looks decent to me what he's come up with, you on the other hand are just complaining to complain.

Wow... you can mix anything with any other class to make it viable. FFS my point of this is why make a "special" class (ie Dark Hunter) if it's just going to be pretty much a knock-off of a class already in game. Geez man, you must be the blind one or have no train of thought. I didn't say anywhere anything about multiclassing or blah blah. I'm talking about the straight up DH skill tree, nothing else, no additives. Which is why I said it looks just like an assassin with a wolf. Man, what is ppl's problems with reading, it's hard I know. (As in where is the ranged assassinate) And as for the above multiclass... I have no idea why you wouldn't just splash Arti instead and take Harper Int to hit and dmg, makes more sense if you do a multiclass trapper.

[Mamalian]

. . . that is in all ways simply superior to a regular tempest.

I'm not convinced of that. FE damage, and being able to chose good FEs, is worth a lot.

As is not looking like you tawt you taw a puddy tat.

[Scrag]

Repeater crit multiplier + gnome racial crit range ... quad repeater shot assassinate ... IPS. ... quad aimed/sniper/pluck.


...
Beautiful on the Inside (Dark Hunter variant)

Starting Stats:
High Charisma, Dex 13 (assumes +6 dex tome), solid Int for trapping

Feats and levels:
1 Fighter Precision, Point Blank Shot, Rapid Reload
2-8 Dark Apostate Quicken, Extend, Luck Domain
9-12 Dark Hunter Rapid Shot (DH), Precise Shot (DH), Empower, Empower Healing
13-15 Fighter IPS (Fighter),IC:R (Fighter), Force of Personality
16-20 Dark Hunter Maximize
21 Overwhelming Critical
22 Spell Power
24 Intensify
25 Doubleshot
27 Epic Reflexes
28 Spell Power
30 Reincarnate

Enhancements:
1 (+16 Racial/Tome) Purple Dragon Knight: HAMP, CHR power Surge,
13 Stalwart Defender: PRR/MRR/Saves/% HP (delay)
6 Warpriest: Divine Might, + Imbue die
40 (+1 Tome) Inquisitive: Divine inquisition and stuffs (delay some)
8 Kensai: +3 action boosts+2 cores (delay)
9 FI Charisma to hit and dmg, missile immunity (10 prr/mrr with spells)
3 Dark Apostate: imbue

Help me understand this. I LOVE my dark apostate, and I really want to do dark hunter, but I am perplexed as this seems all over the place. Can you explain whats going on here? Like, why charisma instead of wisdom, since DA and DH are both wis based casters? Just taking imbue from DA, but no dice? War priest for 1 die and trance? Are these just to boost the dice in inquisitive, and which imbue toggle do you use?

Can this be done with a human? or does it have to be pdk. I have no racial tomes or past lives...

Thanks!

[archest]

its a level 20 ranger with rogue skills and a wolf.

[Tilomere]

Help me understand this. I LOVE my dark apostate, and I really want to do dark hunter, but I am perplexed as this seems all over the place. Can you explain whats going on here? Like, why charisma instead of wisdom, since DA and DH are both wis based casters? Just taking imbue from DA, but no dice? War priest for 1 die and trance? Are these just to boost the dice in inquisitive, and which imbue toggle do you use?

Can this be done with a human? or does it have to be pdk. I have no racial tomes or past lives...

Thanks!

Inquisitor has high aggro especially with a 0 reduction setup like that, so wanted diplomacy to work, hence charisma. Charisma trance also has to-hit, and cleric doesn't have wisdom trance. Wisdom to hit/dmg and dmg trance is 23 ap in Falconry, but charisma to hit/dmg and hit/dmg trance is only 11 ap.

Use DA imbue, since it scales off evil spell power, which the gloves and set bonuses provide. Spell power is higher than ranged power, so it does more damage for imbues for a leveling build. I use PDK to start closer to 20 when the character can walk into legendary reaper for rxp/sxp at the same time as gaining past lives, and because melee and ranged are weak while leveling, so I want as few levels before getting some epic nuking as possible.

It is better to do ranged builds on iconics that start with IPS and get to epic AoE nuking quickly, or on arcane casters like a drow sorc shuriken thrower in heroics so you have a good rotation (like fireball shuriken shuriken, or epic nuke pew pew).

[Scrag]

Inquisitor has high aggro especially with a 0 reduction setup like that, so wanted diplomacy to work, hence charisma. Charisma trance also has to-hit, and cleric doesn't have wisdom trance. Wisdom to hit/dmg and dmg trance is 23 ap in Falconry, but charisma to hit/dmg and hit/dmg trance is only 11 ap.

Use DA imbue, since it scales off evil spell power, which the gloves and set bonuses provide. Spell power is higher than ranged power, so it does more damage for imbues for a leveling build. I use PDK to start closer to 20 when the character can walk into legendary reaper for rxp/sxp at the same time as gaining past lives, and because melee and ranged are weak while leveling, so I want as few levels before getting some epic nuking as possible.

It is better to do ranged builds on iconics that start with IPS and get to epic AoE nuking quickly, or on arcane casters like a drow sorc shuriken thrower in heroics so you have a good rotation (like fireball shuriken shuriken, or epic nuke pew pew).

Thank you for your detailed explanation! I am constantly learning new things.

[SilentRunning]

Damien_Vampyre

Wow... you can mix anything with any other class to make it viable. FFS my point of this is why make a "special" class (ie Dark Hunter) if it's just going to be pretty much a knock-off of a class already in game. Geez man, you must be the blind one or have no train of thought. I didn't say anywhere anything about multiclassing or blah blah. I'm talking about the straight up DH skill tree, nothing else, no additives. Which is why I said it looks just like an assassin with a wolf. Man, what is ppl's problems with reading, it's hard I know. (As in where is the ranged assassinate) And as for the above multiclass... I have no idea why you wouldn't just splash Arti instead and take Harper Int to hit and dmg, makes more sense if you do a multiclass trapper.

First off, no need to be insulting to begin with.

Secondly it's not melee only, and I've made a rogue that was using HW, and it's quite a bit weaker with bow attacks than this "Archetype".

If you don't want to play it, that's fine, you'll still be able to get your ranger PL without this variant.

[DenissIron]

I wish the Devs will add someday any pet like dog to Deepwood Stalker.
I wanted ranged assassinate, but its a sweet dream

[Buddha5440]

As I've said before... This tree should replace DWS not AA.