So, Ghallanda is getting gutted because SSG botched HC server transfers?

[Ereshkigal]

Thats rather early to look at the numbers.

Middle of the week, right after a downtime. Not even past dinner time in NA. Lets take a look in a week from now and see how it goes.

I predict - that a rather significant number of end game players will transfer - but an insignificant number of "casuals" will. In particular I predict that the PUG raid and R8+ quest scene will suffer.

But only time will tell.

Eh you're right.

Also interesting is the number of people currently online on each server.

https://www.ddoaudit.com/who

[Livmo]

Eh you're right.

Also interesting is the number of people currently online on each server.

https://www.ddoaudit.com/who

Point in time snapshot. Time zone PST in lower right corner:

[Thar]

Here is how it is panning out, The R10/Push-Raiders are going to Orien.

The not so uber are heading to Salona to learn in the Vudu Lounge.

Good Luck to all, may the ground rise up to meet your feet lol.

Ha Sarlona has a lot of r10/raiding going on.

[Jennan]

Did someone ask for documented records of transfers? https://www.ddoaudit.com/transfers

We have about 1300 transfers to Orien and 750 transfers to Sarlona in a day. This is excluding transfers straight from HC.

[Hogdog5]

Did someone ask for documented records of transfers? https://www.ddoaudit.com/transfers

We have about 1300 transfers to Orien and 750 transfers to Sarlona in a day. This is excluding transfers straight from HC.

To be fair, probably 90% of those are mule or daily dice hoarding toons. Even ddo audit estimates only 180 of those Orien transfers are "active" characters.

[Jennan]

To be fair, probably 90% of those are mule or daily dice hoarding toons. Even ddo audit estimates only 180 of those Orien transfers are "active" characters.

Sure, but we're talking about the first day of an event where the natural tendency is to hesitate and wait to see how it plays out before you partake.

[Hogdog5]

Sure, but we're talking about the first day of an event where the natural tendency is to hesitate and wait to see how it plays out before you partake.

So true. It'll really be interesting to see how this all pans out!

[Livmo]

So many gladiators slaughtered in their prime!

PST

[mikarddo]

It is still very early but lets examine the results from the first 12 hours.

Its fair to assume that some of the transfers are "xp mules" and thus not real transfers - and that Orion and Sarlona each have half the numbers of those compared to the other servers. Based on the current numbers a rough estimate is 100 such xp mule transfers from each of O and S and 200 from each of the others.

Based on that the remaining rough estimate of the actual transfer come out at:
Ghallanda 548
Wayfinder 123
Cannith 112
Argonessen 90
Thelanis 78
Khyber 48
Sarlona 29
Orien 4

So, Ghallanda and Wayfinder (relative to size) are the major losers, and Orien is the big winner with Sarlona the minor winner. Others are barely affected.

[Sam-u-r-eye]

It is still very early but lets examine the results from the first 12 hours.

Its fair to assume that some of the transfers are "xp mules" and thus not real transfers - and that Orion and Sarlona each have half the numbers of those compared to the other servers. Based on the current numbers a rough estimate is 100 such xp mule transfers from each of O and S and 200 from each of the others.

Based on that the remaining rough estimate of the actual transfer come out at:
Ghallanda 548
Wayfinder 123
Cannith 112
Argonessen 90
Thelanis 78
Khyber 48
Sarlona 29
Orien 4

So, Ghallanda and Wayfinder (relative to size) are the major losers, and Orien is the big winner with Sarlona the minor winner. Others are barely affected.

You can use the audit settings to get a "active character" setting which will eliminate bank toons. Orien gained 210 "active characters" today.
Ghallanda lost 150 "active characters" today.

I'm not sure if the active characters would count someone like me though, who *is* transferring toons I will play but hasn't been playing in the last 3 months. (I played 8+ hours today.)

Clemit (the audit dev) has stated on the forums that the "active characters:"

"excluding characters based on a set of criteria including how often they move areas, run quests, and level up"

The next question is how many characters the average person has. I'd say it is 2.5. So we would even divide that active characters number again. Today, Orien likely gained 100 players. Ghalland likely lost 75 players. This can be very impactful given how low our populations even are at this point. The players moving would be "high engagement" players anyway, since they are even aware of the opportunity/problem of the server transfers.

Clemit stated that he doesn't try to approximate the number of accounts, but IMO we are only missing the average number of "active characters" per account. A simple poll could estimate this if we got 100+ results.

[mikarddo]

You can use the audit settings to get a "active character" setting which will eliminate bank toons. Orien gained 210 "active characters" today.
Ghallanda lost 150 "active characters" today.

I'm not sure if the active characters would count someone like me though, who *is* transferring toons I will play but hasn't been playing in the last 3 months. (I played 8+ hours today.)

Clemit (the audit dev) has stated on the forums that the "active characters:"

"excluding characters based on a set of criteria including how often they move areas, run quests, and level up"

The next question is how many characters the average person has. I'd say it is 2.5. So we would even divide that active characters number again. Today, Orien likely gained 100 players. Ghalland likely lost 75 players. This can be very impactful given how low our populations even are at this point. The players moving would be "high engagement" players anyway, since they are even aware of the opportunity/problem of the server transfers.

Clemit stated that he doesn't try to approximate the number of accounts, but IMO we are only missing the average number of "active characters" per account. A simple poll could estimate this if we got 100+ results.

That is some very interesting statistics that have just been added. I am guessing DDOAudit has better data than SSG have themselves at this point. I am guessing SSG has DDO Audit as a favorite tab just like the rest of us do.

2.5 sounds about right. Many just have the one, some have 2-4 and very few have more.

[MasterAO]

Is Spellswords moving, or are ya'll waitin to see what happens? I know you guys are pretty tight-nit. SSG helping people in Europe, ME, and Asia consolidate would help those communities a lot.

The Spellswords aint moving, we are staying on Ghallanda.

[Eme]

The Spellswords aint moving, we are staying on Ghallanda.

[Bunker]

It is still very early but lets examine the results from the first 12 hours.

Its fair to assume that some of the transfers are "xp mules" and thus not real transfers - and that Orion and Sarlona each have half the numbers of those compared to the other servers. Based on the current numbers a rough estimate is 100 such xp mule transfers from each of O and S and 200 from each of the others.

Based on that the remaining rough estimate of the actual transfer come out at:
Ghallanda 548
Wayfinder 123
Cannith 112
Argonessen 90
Thelanis 78
Khyber 48
Sarlona 29
Orien 4

So, Ghallanda and Wayfinder (relative to size) are the major losers, and Orien is the big winner with Sarlona the minor winner. Others are barely affected.

Some players split thier time between servers, even before "FREE TRANSFER GATE". I wonder how many players are finally just consolidating after previously bringing over just a few characters to either Sarlona or Orien.

Also, with these numbers representing the first 12 hours, the results of 3 weeks should be interesting. I would expect to see a decent up tick this weekend. I bet there are many that want to transfer, but are holding off for fear that the system is broke. After enough test subjects, the confidence of others will reassure thier choice in transferring.

[LightBear]

It is still very early but lets examine the results from the first 12 hours.

Its fair to assume that some of the transfers are "xp mules" and thus not real transfers - and that Orion and Sarlona each have half the numbers of those compared to the other servers. Based on the current numbers a rough estimate is 100 such xp mule transfers from each of O and S and 200 from each of the others.

Based on that the remaining rough estimate of the actual transfer come out at:
Ghallanda 548
Wayfinder 123
Cannith 112
Argonessen 90
Thelanis 78
Khyber 48
Sarlona 29
Orien 4

So, Ghallanda and Wayfinder (relative to size) are the major losers, and Orien is the big winner with Sarlona the minor winner. Others are barely affected.

If someone has to move their entire shared bank ingredients cache, that would take about 15 mule transfers alone.
Shifting out item mules would also bring forth a couple of dozen characters.
I'd estimate 20 to 50 chars per person that is moving.
With 1200 characters moved so far that's roughly 20 to 60 players moving.

But time will tell.
So far I have noticed a drop in LFMs for CET player time.

[Stradivarius]

Bellcurve. The initial transfers were all planned by people adamant about moving along with guilds. The next batch over the course of a week to week and a half will be the big one with 1.) people realizing it's safe to transfer. 2.) people realizing everyone is leaving and that orien truly has an enormous population.
Final week, will be a trickle as the final stragglers move on in.

Final tally for Primetime U.S. (7-10 PM EST) weekday.

1.) Orien ~600+
2.) Sarlona ~450
3.) Argonessen ~325
4.) Thelanis ~275
5.) Khyber ~ 275
6.) Cannith ~ 150
7.) Ghallanda ~100
8.) Wayfinder ~ 10

[Ereshkigal]

Bellcurve. The initial transfers were all planned by people adamant about moving along with guilds. The next batch over the course of a week to week and a half will be the big one with 1.) people realizing it's safe to transfer. 2.) people realizing everyone is leaving and that orien truly has an enormous population.
Final week, will be a trickle as the final stragglers move on in.

Final tally for Primetime U.S. (7-10 PM EST) weekday.

1.) Orien ~600+
2.) Sarlona ~450
3.) Argonessen ~325
4.) Thelanis ~275
5.) Khyber ~ 275
6.) Cannith ~ 150
7.) Ghallanda ~100
8.) Wayfinder ~ 10

Heh, I just checked this morning and the Default server has changed to Orien. Maybe it's just the normal rotation and it is a conincidence, or maybe some of the devs also want a merger but were over-ridden and this is there way of making it happen. Who knows. I was surprised to see that though.

interestingly there looks like there was around 1900 transfers from regular servers to Orien yesterday, but an additional 400 transfers from Hardcore to Orien as well.

[Ereshkigal]

The Spellswords aint moving, we are staying on Ghallanda.

I mean this could be a smart play. If the mass exodus doesn't happen then no big deal - if it does, the chances of you getting an official merge with another server goes up, which means you take all your stuff with you if you go.

[mikarddo]

I mean this could be a smart play. If the mass exodus doesn't happen then no big deal - if it does, the chances of you getting an official merge with another server goes up, which means you take all your stuff with you if you go.

Fat chance. Wayfinder has been extremely empty for years without a real merge. SSG does not seem to mind very empty servers.

Besides, a possible outcome is a ghost town for raids / R8+ players but no significant loss for casuals. So the overall population might not drop all that much but the pool of end game players might drop significantly.

[Ereshkigal]

Fat chance. Wayfinder has been extremely empty for years without a real merge. SSG does not seem to mind very empty servers.

Besides, a possible outcome is a ghost town for raids / R8+ players but no significant loss for casuals. So the overall population might not drop all that much but the pool of end game players might drop significantly.

My feeling has been what you say, but I am honestly surprised by initial numbers.