So, Ghallanda is getting gutted because SSG botched HC server transfers?

[MaeveTuohy]

Thanks for that, she is adorable.

[salmag]

You were probably sarcastic, but isn't the lack of proper server merges financially hurting SSG too? Or are most players soloers, within static groups or fine with waiting a lot?

Yes I was being sarcastic.
And I agree with you that proper server merges ARE hurting SSG too. Not sure about the other comment.

[Sylvado]

so a little over 250 characters have left Ghallanda so far. considering multiple characters per player, that's not much. Guess we'll see how it goes moving forward.

Personally i predict the number of folks that transfer will be insignificant.

Hard to use that metric because of mules doing dice roll consolidation.

[Sirea]

so a little over 250 characters have left Ghallanda so far. considering multiple characters per player, that's not much. Guess we'll see how it goes moving forward.

Personally i predict the number of folks that transfer will be insignificant.

The exodus is very real. I saw many, many familiar names on Orien, with more on the way. Even some that were adamant about not moving. The next couple weeks will be interesting to see if anyone else changes their mind.

[Fauxknight]

I can attest to this. Many of the endgame Glanders lost their shards and will buy more. (My bud last night spent 1500 LEGIT shards just to get ready for today.) I know of 3 Krakens already purchased. Personally I spent 3000 DDO points on bank space. Given that 580 characters have been transferred as per DDO audit you can do some quick math. Each person spends ~1500 DDO points on average and moves 12 characters. Then you throw in the outliers and it gets better. Maybe the average is 3000 points. Say that we've just had 1/3 of all transfers take place. They'll make at least $5000 just for opening the servers like this to endgamers who are interested in greener grass. Compare this with something like a 75% discount on transfers and its probably similar. Trying to milk a transfer process would just burn good will.

I'm confused, I get guilds needing to rebuy their Krakens, but I don't understand the need to spend for bank space. Each mule moved keeps their personal expanded slots and you still have your shared banks slots, you just need to move those items to an alt to transfer over or am I missing somethin?


Also, staying on G-land unless I start to see tumbleweed in a couple of weeks.

[Livmo]

I'm confused, I get guilds needing to rebuy their Krakens, but I don't understand the need to spend for bank space. Each mule moved keeps their personal expanded slots and you still have your shared banks slots, you just need to move those items to an alt to transfer over or am I missing somethin?


Also, staying on G-land unless I start to see tumbleweed in a couple of weeks.

Good call.

I was on both Sarlona and Orien last night in the PST.

Sarlona is a bit slow on Wed nights, but was far from dead last night.

I play in the PST, but typically things get active around 2pm PST as the east coasters and then mid-westerners start to log in. Around 10pm PST on week nights folks drop off. Also we have allot of players from Asia and the Aussies/New Zs that get active around times I'm not on, unless I'm up super early in the morning.

If you want to experience the PUG raids on Sarlona the best days are Mon/Thur/Fri/Sat nights PST and sometimes Suns. Also early morning on Sat and Sun will be raids as well.

[Wizard1406]

Fat chance. Wayfinder has been extremely empty for years without a real merge. SSG does not seem to mind very empty servers.

The question is why? Last time I checked DDO was still marketed as a MMO, not single player with coop and disclaimer *you might need a static group or play at America evening time to find a group

Regardless of the current situation,

are there even servers that have high population, high PUG activity and raid activity for either:

Europe
Asia
Oceania

daytime /evening ?

If not, then all the more reason for proper server merges.

[Zotze]

The question is why? Last time I checked DDO was still marketed as a MMO, not single player with coop and disclaimer *you might need a static group or play at America evening time to find a group

Regardless of the current situation,

are there even servers that have high population, high PUG activity and raid activity for either:

Europe
Asia
Oceania

daytime /evening ?

If not, then all the more reason for proper server merges.

Thats why i transfered long ago from Wayfinder to Cannith and now again to Sarlona.
Best for me as European to find at my main Onlinetimes People to run Endgame Content. Sarlona seems to have many Asian People on it, cause at noon they have far the most ppl in endgame online atm, so i choose this server over orien for me... but i still wait to transfer, did only a mule transfer from wayfinder with many elixier of discovery to sarlona, without any problems - took maybe 15min at all the transfer.

[Krell]

End game guilds on Gland communicate with each other pretty well and yes, a lot of guilds and players have moved or are moving to Orien. I think ddoaudit stats are also reflecting what guilds have been saying. The culture is good on Gland but the active times have been steadily shrinking. I think Glanders in general are proactive and opportunistic and a lot of guilds talked with each other and decided to make this move for the benefits of a larger player population. This is just a symptom of the root problem which is too many servers for the population. If we had gotten server consolidation a couple years ago, I don’t think this would be happening. HC further dilutes the non-HC population and with HC, players got a taste again of lots of groups to pick from and quickly filling groups at more times of the day. If SSG takes anything away from this, I think it should be that any technical limitations on sever merges should be prioritized. It’s gotten to the point now where groups of people are willing to give up some of their stuff just to have more people to play with.

[Captain_Wizbang]

Look at it like this, we've been screaming for server merges. Well, here's nonsensical way of getting there.

[mikarddo]

Thats why i transfered long ago from Wayfinder to Cannith and now again to Sarlona.
Best for me as European to find at my main Onlinetimes People to run Endgame Content. Sarlona seems to have many Asian People on it, cause at noon they have far the most ppl in endgame online atm, so i choose this server over orien for me... but i still wait to transfer, did only a mule transfer from wayfinder with many elixier of discovery to sarlona, without any problems - took maybe 15min at all the transfer.

15 mins for a transfer? I managed to move 7 mules from 6 different servers in less than 15 mins. Zero delay.

[LeslieWest_GuitarGod]

Tyrs Paladium is going NOWHERE.

It is far too complicated for us to move. Wouldn't make sense.

WE started on Kyber. Made our home very quickly here on Ghallanda in 2008. We've been here going on 16 YEARS. GHALLANDA IS HOME. My son was one when we came to Ghallanda. NOW he's going to be an Eagle Scout with the help of God in March '23.

We are not moving, unless we have no other option.

[Bacab]

A few guildies have left for Orien and a few buddies that I have done a lot a stuff with have left too.

I don't want to leave Ghallanda either, but curious how the next few days/weeks go.

[Kelledren]

it's such a sloppy cack handed and ill thought out way of doing it that is going to catastrophically upset a great community.
If anything it should be a merge.
Whoever thought this would be a good way of doing things should be fired, it's that bad.

I don’t know- honestly I think SSG loves the players moving on their own- basically sacrificing mounts, pets, and guild ships to create a larger population on two servers. An official server merge would take resources to move all of that sacrificed material for every player.

I don’t think this is true- but I thought maybe they came up with a reason to offer free server transfers on purpose to relieve them of the work to do it officially! I do believe at this point they are in a wait and see what happens, let the dust clear, then make decisions afterwards that will cost them actual resources. I wouldn’t be surprised to see either more free transfers after this, or possible smaller server merges to clean up any “dead” or gutted servers. This is all purely reckless speculation on my part.

[Tilomere]

To move, or not to move, that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous lag,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles
And by changing servers, end them. To Orien—
To move—to join a larger population—
No more; and by a move to say we end
The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to when playing alone:
'tis a consummation devoutly to be wished!
To move, to join—
To join with friends, perchance to find new ones—
Ay, there's the rub; for in that move of thine
What pets, mounts, guild ships must be left behind,
The memory of the past, and cherished bonds.
For who would bear the setbacks and delays,
The pangs of despised lag, the spurns
That patient merit of the worthy takes,
When he himself might his server change make?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all;
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprises of great pith and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry,
And lose the name of action. Soft you now!
And reconsider what server change may bring:
For Orien hath a promise of great groups,
And larger community to join in play.
So let us weigh the pros and cons,
And by a move to Orien, end this debate.

[KoobTheProud]

To move, or not to move, that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous lag,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles
And by changing servers, end them. To Orien—
To move—to join a larger population—
No more; and by a move to say we end
The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to when playing alone:
'tis a consummation devoutly to be wished!
To move, to join—
To join with friends, perchance to find new ones—
Ay, there's the rub; for in that move of thine
What pets, mounts, guild ships must be left behind,
The memory of the past, and cherished bonds.
For who would bear the setbacks and delays,
The pangs of despised lag, the spurns
That patient merit of the worthy takes,
When he himself might his server change make?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all;
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprises of great pith and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry,
And lose the name of action. Soft you now!
And reconsider what server change may bring:
For Orien hath a promise of great groups,
And larger community to join in play.
So let us weigh the pros and cons,
And by a move to Orien, end this debate.

So you're saying there's a chance?

[Dandonk]

Oh that we now had here but one ten thousand of those players on Ghallanda that do not group today.

[KoobTheProud]

We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that raids with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen on Orien and Sarlona now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That raided with us upon Ghallanda this day.

[spifflove]

She should have died hereafter;
There would have been a time for such a word.
— To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing.

[LightBear]

The question is why? Last time I checked DDO was still marketed as a MMO, not single player with coop and disclaimer *you might need a static group or play at America evening time to find a group

Regardless of the current situation,

are there even servers that have high population, high PUG activity and raid activity for either:

Europe
Asia
Oceania

daytime /evening ?

If not, then all the more reason for proper server merges.

Ghallanda is the goto for these regions.
And yes, we still have a very active EU evening schedule on Ghallanda.

Lot's of PUGs for XP trains 1 to 30.
Active RAID scene.
End game R10s.


Perhaps now even more so than ever.
Less lag as well now.

Perhaps those that have moved off server where the culprits for the lag?