So, Ghallanda is getting gutted because SSG botched HC server transfers?

[Eantarus]

Also, I have a question about the transfer process, if you transfer a character from one server to another, do you have to have an open character slot on the destination server? I dont see this anywhere in the transfer guide.

Yes you do.

Fortunately character slots are account-based.

[Zites]

How many more mechanics, systems, enhancements, effects, and calculations were added since then?
Now, how much of that associated new code was expertly designed, implemented, optimized, integrated, and properly tested?

Imagine HC server level population filled with multi-completionist characters. There’s your mega-server as curated by SSG.

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[Strider1963]

Yes you do.

Fortunately character slots are account-based.

Thanks for the clarification! I have a couple toons on another server I dont play and wouldnt mind moving them over to Sarlona, but unfortunately, all my character slots are full :-)

[Phoenicis]

Thanks for the clarification! I have a couple toons on another server I dont play and wouldnt mind moving them over to Sarlona, but unfortunately, all my character slots are full :-)

Actually, no, you don't have to have open slots.

HOWEVER: the first time you log in to a server where you have more characters than slots you will need to select which characters you want to have access to.

[Fauxknight]

Why is it just Ghallanda that is being gutted? My understanding is all servers have the option.

It's a strike at any of the smaller servers. Losing any significant population to a larger server will hurt.

It's not just 'move then' because I play with plenty of peeps who won't move no matter what, they don't care about server demographics regarding raids and reaper. The choice is to either lose a bunch of old friends by moving to a hipper server or end up in a server with severely depleted high end play.

[Eantarus]

No sign at this point that SSG plans to back down. Everybody got your popcorn? Let's sit back an watch the show.

[LT218]

Duh, yeah. That, at least, is clear and I agree with. I want player-base consolidation, in some form, and simple character transfer by itself is not an effective means to accomplish that.

Wish in one hand, defecate in the other, see which fills up first.

This is the poo sandwich SSG is giving us and they know it. They've made it clear that the number of cares they give is virtually zero. If they cared even a moderate amount, we wouldn't be in this thread right now, having this particular discussion. Here we are though.

Each player must choose for themselves whether they stay put and choke down the poo sandwich. Or, they can choose to make the best of the the stinky reality SSG is giving us and move to a server with a far healthier population and opportunities.

Low server population, lack of warm bodies to fill groups and raids, etc. is pretty universally high on the list of problems players have repeatedly ask SSG to fix. While this may be an ugly fix, it's likely the only one we're going to get from SSG, even if it was completely unintentional. They've literally had years to fix it via better options and have chosen not to.

[Livmo]

Only time will tell regarding any outcomes: good, bad, or indifferent.

However, I've played on all the servers. Nothing special about any server in particular per se. It's like kids from the same parents, not all exactly the same.

The opinion stuff:

• I've enjoyed all the servers, but I grew up on Sarlona. In general I feel Sarlona is a bit more active on the PUG scene and raids.
• I will be moving a raid toon from G-Land to Orien, because I don't play much on G-Land. I also feel the PUG and raid scenes are more active on Orien as well.
• I should point out I've got the same guild/toon names on all servers. I've already earned Krackens on Sarlona and G-Land. I don't have issues with guilds/names. I built for that from the outset, because of my wanderlust.

I might buy a Kracken on Orien to help keep the lights on. Plus I don't have as much free time as I used to. Spending money on DDO makes me feel good. Like eating and drinking at the local tavern. I'd like a pint of Guinness and a French Dip, with a side of Fried Zuccini. Please and thanks!

[Iwant_DiabloThree]

At first it was a few people, and a few guilds that announced they were moving to another server. Now, the dominoes are falling: more and more people and guilds have decided to move.

And why shouldn't they? They see the writing on the wall: Ghallanda is getting gutted. After the transfers, the number of active players will be down significantly, maybe turning Ghallanda into the next Wayfinder. Who wants to take the chance to stay behind, and maybe find themselves in a situation where they are *forced* to move (possibly having to spend money)?

I have other people telling me they can't move or would rather not (pets, mounts, guild, cache, storage, friends, etc.). They'll be left behind paying the price for SSG botching server transfers. Some have told me they are thinking about quitting if Ghallanda becomes a ghost town.

I don't think you (SSG) have thought this through! Do other servers really need to pay the price because you botched the HC transfers!?

Since the news of these transfers and the people and guilds moving, I am now torn between staying and going. As a PuG player, I can make the case to move and play on a more crowded server, as someone with friends staying I can make the case to stay on a possibly gutted server. I don't like being in this position.

Depressing really.

What if the plan all along was to get as many people as possible to transfer out of G server so that they can justify shutting it down and consolidate them.... then force those who wouldnt transfer willingly with a smile..... to transfer with a frown

[Tyrande]

What if the plan all along was to get as many people as possible to transfer out of G server so that they can justify shutting it down and consolidate them.... then force those who wouldnt transfer willingly with a smile..... to transfer with a frown

It is wise that they did this. Gland had/has? a hardware problem on the raid arrays. If most people migrate then it will be possible to do a complete shutdown and do maintenance on however long is required to fix or replace those hardware.

I just have a test character and I'll be migrating that character off.

[MaeveTuohy]

And yet the player base was massively bigger back in the level-cap-20 years, with less lag than we have now.

Been playing since then too.

Lag is way, way less than it ever was.

[Loromir]

Possible conspiracy Theory:

SSG purposely borked the transfer mechanism for Orien and Sarlona...so they could use that as an excuse to drive many players to transfer to those two servers. Kind of a back door, unofficial way to create two mega servers. This way they don't have to justify creating ways to move guilds etc. Players move by choice.

Maybe? Maybe not?

Thoughts???

[Sam-u-r-eye]

Possible conspiracy Theory:

SSG purposely borked the transfer mechanism for Orien and Sarlona...so they could use that as an excuse to drive many players to transfer to those two servers. Kind of a back door, unofficial way to create two mega servers. This way they don't have to justify creating ways to move guilds etc. Players move by choice.

Maybe? Maybe not?

Thoughts???

yep

[superevbully]

Possible conspiracy Theory:

SSG purposely borked the transfer mechanism for Orien and Sarlona...so they could use that as an excuse to drive many players to transfer to those two servers. Kind of a back door, unofficial way to create two mega servers. This way they don't have to justify creating ways to move guilds etc. Players move by choice.

Maybe? Maybe not?

Thoughts???

This obv has come up in guild chat lately and it would be par for the course ...............less work more squeeze ......tbh the most disturbing thing is the lack of any thoughts from a ssg on these boards

[KoobTheProud]

Been playing since then too.

Lag is way, way less than it ever was.

Lag back in the day was often load-based with particular zones being lag-hell, like the Marketplace. The reason there are two port in locations off of the zone teleports is that step-lag used to be so bad that running to the Twelve or Harbor from the guild ship or House D was a process that could make you quit the game.

Events were also enormous lag creators with House P becoming unplayable during the Anniversary event and House J/Graveyard becoming horrible during the fall event.

None of the recent lag has been this bad for me. The lag lately is periods where the controls work but their effects lag by a second or three. Make a move in combat and nothing happens but a second or three later everything falls over dead. I have not seen any rubber-banding or step lag over the last week or two. It's all delayed sync issues unrelated to movement.

[ahpook]

Possible conspiracy Theory:

SSG purposely borked the transfer mechanism for Orien and Sarlona...so they could use that as an excuse to drive many players to transfer to those two servers. Kind of a back door, unofficial way to create two mega servers. This way they don't have to justify creating ways to move guilds etc. Players move by choice.

Maybe? Maybe not?

Thoughts???

That has the same likely hood as other conspiracy theories. (Virtually) None (outside the ability to create chaos in the people who aren't paying attention). I could enhance your conspiracy theory by suggesting that you are posting this on behalf of SSG to change the narrative to something other than their incompetence and to something sufficiently ridiculous it won't cause long term harm. Or that you are posting this on behalf of a third party who wants to see DDO shut down and prefers the player base to be angry with SSG. That is the beauty of conspiracy theories, you don't need to actually have any information to support any ridiculous statement.

Mr Occam suggests that failure to think through their ideas is a far simpler reason and something far more evident at SSG than the level of conniving you are suggesting. In the end if SSG wants to delete a server they would have to provide the tech that your "thoughts" suggest they are trying to avoid so that level of clever doesn't even help them.

[shores11]

At first it was a few people, and a few guilds that announced they were moving to another server. Now, the dominoes are falling: more and more people and guilds have decided to move.

And why shouldn't they? They see the writing on the wall: Ghallanda is getting gutted. After the transfers, the number of active players will be down significantly, maybe turning Ghallanda into the next Wayfinder. Who wants to take the chance to stay behind, and maybe find themselves in a situation where they are *forced* to move (possibly having to spend money)?

I have other people telling me they can't move or would rather not (pets, mounts, guild, cache, storage, friends, etc.). They'll be left behind paying the price for SSG botching server transfers. Some have told me they are thinking about quitting if Ghallanda becomes a ghost town.

I don't think you (SSG) have thought this through! Do other servers really need to pay the price because you botched the HC transfers!?

Since the news of these transfers and the people and guilds moving, I am now torn between staying and going. As a PuG player, I can make the case to move and play on a more crowded server, as someone with friends staying I can make the case to stay on a possibly gutted server. I don't like being in this position.

Depressing really.

I play on Khyber and NO ONE is moving to Orien or Salona in my 30-50 player group. I know that I will not be moving and of my characters. In fact, I generally only transfer one character from hardcore (done already), transfer items, and the delete that character. If people want to move free or not to another server that is their choice, isn't it? This really has absolutely nothing to do with SSG other than given some players a free transfer. If they wanted to go in the first place, why should SSG restrict them?

[mbartol]

What if the plan all along was to get as many people as possible to transfer out of G server so that they can justify shutting it down and consolidate them.... then force those who wouldnt transfer willingly with a smile..... to transfer with a frown

I don’t believe they care whether anyone has a smile vs a frown. Any collateral damage or lost players are simply written off.

[Loromir]

That has the same likely hood as other conspiracy theories. (Virtually) None (outside the ability to create chaos in the people who aren't paying attention). I could enhance your conspiracy theory by suggesting that you are posting this on behalf of SSG to change the narrative to something other than their incompetence and to something sufficiently ridiculous it won't cause long term harm. Or that you are posting this on behalf of a third party who wants to see DDO shut down and prefers the player base to be angry with SSG. That is the beauty of conspiracy theories, you don't need to actually have any information to support any ridiculous statement.

Mr Occam suggests that failure to think through their ideas is a far simpler reason and something far more evident at SSG than the level of conniving you are suggesting. In the end if SSG wants to delete a server they would have to provide the tech that your "thoughts" suggest they are trying to avoid so that level of clever doesn't even help them.

So you are clearly in the "Maybe not" category.

[Zites]

I don’t believe they care whether anyone has a smile vs a frown. Any collateral damage or lost players are simply written off.

LOL Orien and Sarlona already have more folks than Argonessen must be Guild/mule priming LOL
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