So, Ghallanda is getting gutted because SSG botched HC server transfers?

[Mamalian]

So what you are saying is. That the same problems that persist on G will just be on a new server. Maybe we should be paying Sarlona and Orien for their generosity.

Players are content. The more gathered in one place, the more fun there will be.

The biggest issue on most servers is lack of LFMs in all level ranges. Consolidating people solves this.

[songswrath]

Players are content. The more gathered in one place, the more fun there will be.

The biggest issue on most servers is lack of LFMs in all level ranges. Consolidating people solves this.

i agree 100% with this statement.

[TedSandyman]

Why is it just Ghallanda that is being gutted? My understanding is all servers have the option.

It seems very shortsighted to me for anyone to be leaving behind a bunch of stuff just on a whim of an idea. What if you jump ship and realize all those people who talked about it didn't actually go through with it. You might be alone in your move with your friends staying. I often here people talk up an idea and not go through with it.

And if lots of people move, there is no guarantee it will be any better. And I am nearly sure it will lead to a lag nightmare on those other servers.

Part of the reason SSG has been able to add so many options to the game in reaper and epic destinies and all those past lives is because there are fewer players. And it has led to massive lag (read the threads on the possible reaper redo). I truly don't think with the state of the game now, a mega server would be able to function.

We all want more groups, but we all want less lag. I am not convinced you can have both. I'll bet SSG isn't too sure either. That is why they haven't offered free moves in the past. They could have at any time to effect a server merge. Why haven't they with all the clamor for server merge? Maybe because a single server just can't handle that load anymore.

A possibility, after you move, is that you are now on an unplayable server. Your stuff is gone. Ghallanda becomes a lag free paradise (comparatively), and you skittish, panicked server hoppers realize you are going to have to pay a boatload to come back.

I wont be leaving. The grass is always greener is a term you may have heard. It means looking at some other situation seems nice, till you actually get there.

I will almost guarantee that a knee-jerk panic transfer will not be a good thing.

[Oxarhamar]

Players are content. The more gathered in one place, the more fun there will be.

The biggest issue on most servers is lack of LFMs in all level ranges. Consolidating people solves this.

Indeed it is an MMO

[Oliphant]

Which guilds moved?

[Amoneth]

There's a vocal minority that wants SSG to merge severs. They are just trying to take advantage of this situation to realize their own goals, but I don't think it will work, no matter how many folks stand on streetcorners holding up signs that read "The End is Nigh.".

How did you figure it was just a "minority"? Who in their right mind wouldn't want more people to play with? Sometimes, on Ghallanda, we can have LFMs up for an hour and still not fill, on a WEEKEND!

There just isn't a way to determine which characters came from HC and which ones were created elsewhere

Rubbish. Even if they didn't have that data anywhere in a database, they send out server transfer confirmation emails with those details on!

SSG need to grind to a halt with this free server transfer and only allow it for toons that transferred from HC in the first place. Then they need to give us the server merges / mega server we've been begging for for YEARS! They won't though, when I asked about this on the livestream the response was "We'll have to wait and see" (or something along those lines). They will do nothing, watch Ghallanda get gutted, maybe put it as the default server and call it job done.

For the record, I don't want to move but I feel like I have no choice because almost all of the end game players I group with regularly are going.

[elkorm]

How did you figure it was just a "minority"? Who in their right mind wouldn't want more people to play with? Sometimes, on Ghallanda, we can have LFMs up for an hour and still not fill, on a WEEKEND!

Let's not forget to mention our own brand of lag, "LLaghanda". You can't really say to have experienced lag until you have had a taste of that one. Serve warm in raids for best experience.

cheers
Elk

[kpak01]

How did you figure it was just a "minority"? Who in their right mind wouldn't want more people to play with?

Only a minority are "vocal" about it. Of course a majority want more to play with.

[kpak01]

There's a vocal minority that wants SSG to merge severs. They are just trying to take advantage of this situation to realize their own goals

As a proud member of that vocal minority, I can assure you that I, for one feel the current situation is the exact opposite of my goals, and I don't see any way to take advantage of it. I just see my server, as the OP put it, getting "gutted". We need player consolidation, but this isn't it.

[kpak01]

We all want more groups, but we all want less lag. I am not convinced you can have both.

And yet the player base was massively bigger back in the level-cap-20 years, with less lag than we have now.

[wolfy42]

There are a few methods to solve this issue without disrupting things, but I hesitate to mention them for a variety of reasons.

Honestly I do think server mergers are needed, I certainly don't think this is the way to do it, but something is better than nothing.

I do worry about massive lag after many people jump from all the servers into just 2 of them. It could disrupt play and ruin the game for many (including people on those servers already).

Also, I agree that it is not fair to people on other servers right now who are seeing many large guilds and quite a few of the regular players planning on leaving. If most of the people you have partied with, on servers that often seem desolate (especially during HC times) are going, the pressure to go yourself is huge, or be left behind.

And it's not cheap to transfer characters, even 1 character is 20+ bucks and I have 18, yes some are mules but even most of my mules have exp tomes/stat tomes and other stuff I have bought for them over the years. That would be very expensive to transfer over.

Honestly there are solutions to this that wouldn't hurt my friends, such as just allowing transfers freely between all servers for the duration. For 3 weeks you can transfer characters for free between servers. That lets everyone find the server they like, find the population that doesn't have too much lag etc, and then move on. You no longer need to leave your server that way because nobody is on it.

After the dust settles, servers that have too little population all together over a month or two, are then merged with one of the other low population servers.

THAT would make sense. It would solve the HC problem, and allow everyone to be on equal footing. It's WAY better then just having 2 servers everyone can transfer to for free. In addition you are not (if I remember right) supposed to reverse a transfer within 2 weeks, so with a 3 week time period you could still reverse your transfer to the original server if things didn't work out like you wanted. Your guild could even still be there if you transfered ownership before you left (if you were even the owner).

Anyway there are other solutions as well, but this one wouldn't hurt anyone's plans etc at least.

[Ereshkigal]

I'm ok losing 100 pets, a dozen mounts, and personal guild ship to move 40 characters. Loss of 10k or so AS is 50k DDO Points.
In exchange gain 10k DDO points worth of one time per server items. Net loss of 40k DDO Points.

The cost of moving 40 characters including alts holding extra gear would be 100k DDO Points.

Basically it is a sale of half-off-ish for moving, more or less.

Hoping for a better grouping result in exchange for loss.

Except you're not losing anything. They all still exist, and you can access them at anytime.

But now, for free, you could have a single capped character on a more heavily populated server as well, that you can log onto whenever you feel like it.

[Ereshkigal]

And yet the player base was massively bigger back in the level-cap-20 years, with less lag than we have now.

less lag? nah. Not my experience. Was more lag then, and less lag now. by far.

[Ereshkigal]

As a proud member of that vocal minority, I can assure you that I, for one feel the current situation is the exact opposite of my goals, and I don't see any way to take advantage of it. I just see my server, as the OP put it, getting "gutted". We need player consolidation, but this isn't it.

Right. You see no way to take advantage of it, but somehow you think the rest of your server is different and will be able to? Nah.
People who WANT to move and keep everything they have won't use this feature because they want an actual merger.

People who didn't get to move their HC character to Sarlona / Orien last season will use this feature.

HC season is about over and you're all about to see a server population increase, as we do every season.

There are people that are wanting others to panic because they think it will help pressure SSG into merging servers - of course it will not work.

[kpak01]

Honestly I do think server mergers are needed, I certainly don't think this is the way to do it, but something is better than nothing.

Disagree. Something is worse than nothing, because it gives SSG an excuse to avoid actually addressing the problem with a real solution.

[Justicesar]

Some of the bigger guilds that usually fill raids/R10 are switching for a different end game scene, but will still fill with same guild buddies from home server most of the time?

No thank you. I see these guilds moving over and best in these guilds getting sucked into a more elite guild for gratuitous chest bumps, leaving dead weight in the dust wonder why they switched.

I'm sure there have been some conversations between those that move the needle at end game trying to find the best landing spot but where are the "Come on in the waters warm" response from players already on these servers??

Are they as pumped about the possibilities of better things to come?

It's fun to play on a big mega server, closest thing is Hard Core which is blast and isn't full of lag, but what would the server do with the full burden of decked out characters and such running around in R10 pistols blazing?

I'm not moving but will be watching the scene.

[kpak01]

Right. You see no way to take advantage of it, but somehow you think the rest of your server is different and will be able to? Nah.

I don't agree with the words you are trying to put in my mouth, and I don't even disagree either. I don't understand what you're trying to imply. If you have something to say, just spell it out instead of making vague innuendo about what you think I think the rest of my server thinks. Though there is probably no need for you to bother, unless you are trying to deliberately misrepresent me, as I have been very clear on this.

People who WANT to move and keep everything they have won't use this feature because they want an actual merger.

Duh, yeah. That, at least, is clear and I agree with. I want player-base consolidation, in some form, and simple character transfer by itself is not an effective means to accomplish that.

[Ereshkigal]

I don't agree with the words you are trying to put in my mouth, and I don't even disagree either. I don't understand what you're trying to imply. If you have something to say, just spell it out instead of making vague innuendo about what you think I think the rest of my server thinks. Though there is probably no need for you to bother, unless you are trying to deliberately misrepresent me, as I have been very clear on this.


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I'm saying that your server isn't going to end up a ghost town for the same reason you will not use the free transfer.

[Strider1963]

My suggestion would be to pay to come to Argo or Khyber then. Sarlona and Orien are both going to fall into issues of lag and unplayability with these so many supposed transfers. End game raid pushing will be practically unplayable especially during peak hours.

Yes, this is my real concern here as I play on Sarlona now. The lag has already come back after hardcore population has reduced. If a lot of ppl transfer here, it could get real ugly.

Also, I have a question about the transfer process, if you transfer a character from one server to another, do you have to have an open character slot on the destination server? I dont see this anywhere in the transfer guide.

[mbartol]

And yet the player base was massively bigger back in the level-cap-20 years, with less lag than we have now.

How many more mechanics, systems, enhancements, effects, and calculations were added since then?
Now, how much of that associated new code was expertly designed, implemented, optimized, integrated, and properly tested?

Imagine HC server level population filled with multi-completionist characters. There’s your mega-server as curated by SSG.