How would you guys rate Reincarnation value?

[Bacab]

I am a returning player (about 2 years away).

When I left, Racial PLs were sort of new and I have done WF, Dragonborn and Human x3

I am not a triple Heroic completionist, and I have x3 on one all the Destiny Spheres, but I don't have all x3 for everything I want (some are new). I have also never done an Iconic PL.

I want the Fast Healing one from Primal Epic Destiny (currently at x1 on that) and I want the +5 Healing/Repair and Negative Amp from Divine Sphere (also x1).

Also there are a few Heroic PLs I want to get to x3.

I was thinking that I should pair some Iconic PLs with Heroic PLs and maybe hit 30 x2 for Epic PLs.

Or should I just keep doing Racial PLs for the Racial AP?

[KoobTheProud]

Racial AP open up builds not otherwise available. That's why I value them higher than any other past life at the moment. The +attributes is nice but the extra racial AP open up options.

[Phatlewts]

Racials are a huge time sink.. three heroic lives for each racial action point (the real value of racial PLs IMO) is a slog, versus the Iconic +3x epic past lives which are really quick. Ultimately, you'll end up doing both probably. Doing a few rounds of each and switching helps to offset the repetition and boredom to some extent...

[Wizard1406]

I was thinking that I should pair some Iconic PLs with Heroic PLs and maybe hit 30 x2 for Epic PLs.

Or should I just keep doing Racial PLs for the Racial AP?

This is a good plan. Get the most useful iconic stance and/or passive for your favorite build(s). And PDK is universally useful as a mini sprint boost (and PRR never hurts either).

Like Phatlewts said, racials are a soul-crushing grind, unless you *really* like heroics.

[systemshaker1941]

The payout is entirely back-loaded. You need A LOT of racial lives before you start to notice the extra APs. By the time it really opens anything up you're at completionist.

BUT.

All total completionist(epic, iconic, heroic, racial) does add a huge amount of character power. I don't know if its "worth it", though.

[Wizard1406]

The payout is entirely back-loaded. You need A LOT of racial lives before you start to notice the extra APs. By the time it really opens anything up you're at completionist.

BUT.


All total completionist(epic, iconic, heroic, racial) does add a huge amount of character power. I don't know if its "worth it", though.

Yep I feel a bigger amount of racials is mostly for people who love heroics more than epic & legendary or buy boxes or have a huge amount of time and patience.


Epic PL and Reaper points give more bonus per time spent until you are down to the less useful epic PL or get to the high reaper points.

[systemshaker1941]

Yep I feel a bigger amount of racials is mostly for people who love heroics more than epic & legendary or buy boxes or have a huge amount of time and patience.


Epic PL and Reaper points give more bonus per time spent until you are down to the less useful epic PL or get to the high reaper points.

Everything is either heavily back-loaded or has a weird slump in the middle. Its actually kind of annoying.

Heroic PLs - you get more build points per life for the first 2 levels which is a nice boost. Then some of the lives do actually give some useful bonuses. And then... things just kind of slip into a slog until you hit Completionist.

Racial PLs - HEAVILY back-loaded. The stat point bonuses for the second life would be worth more if so many of them weren't dex.

Iconic PLs - most of them are useless, its all a slog and there is no "iconic completionist", strictly epeen.

Epic PLs are about the only PL slog with a decent reward curve. Each EPL is pretty useful and gives you a "stance" 3 of which are actually pretty good.

Reaper... I dunno. I've hit a wall whereby earning more points is such a cruel mockery of fun that I can't be bothered.

[Wizard1406]

Everything is either heavily back-loaded or has a weird slump in the middle. Its actually kind of annoying.

Heroic PLs - you get more build points per life for the first 2 levels which is a nice boost. Then some of the lives do actually give some useful bonuses. And then... things just kind of slip into a slog until you hit Completionist.

Racial PLs - HEAVILY back-loaded. The stat point bonuses for the second life would be worth more if so many of them weren't dex.

Iconic PLs - most of them are useless, its all a slog and there is no "iconic completionist", strictly epeen.

Epic PLs are about the only PL slog with a decent reward curve. Each EPL is pretty useful and gives you a "stance" 3 of which are actually pretty good.

Reaper... I dunno. I've hit a wall whereby earning more points is such a cruel mockery of fun that I can't be bothered.

Heroics, completionist is good, but a lot of work. After that, 3x of the most useful heroics is good value.

Combining heroics with iconics is good value, 15-30 is faster than 1-20.

Reaper points are fairly easy to get at cap if you group up. But it will be frustrating for quite some time as you'll be underpowered. Playing support (spell singer bard; divine for healing) can help a little. Or ranged and stay back avoid aggro.

RP power is frontloaded. Eventually you'll reach a point where RP give less than a pastlife (4hp and nothing else useful vs 10hp barbarian PL for example) and start to take almost as long too.

[systemshaker1941]

Reaper points are fairly easy to get at cap if you group up. But it will be frustrating for quite some time as you'll be underpowered. Playing support (spell singer bard; divine for healing) can help a little. Or ranged and stay back avoid aggro.

Yeah that's kinda the problem - I play a sorc nuker. Not terribly interested in grinding RPs on a ranged life just so I can play what I want.

More and more I'm seeing this game as a total dead-end...

[Wizard1406]

Yeah as newer sorcerer it was tough.....too low DCs, too low damage, attracts a ton of aggro by just existing (low hp aggro I think), lacklust support (only ED abilities healing, no buffs to speak of).

I died endless times as support class too but at least I could contribute a little.

[Xezom]

For me, reincarnation and past lives are more of a trophy than a goal. As has been said, racial reincarnation is probably the higher on the list simply because of the value of having 14 "free" *cough* racial AP to spend. those 14 points can open up quite a few builds and additional power that is not otherwise available. The "free" *another coughing fit* stats and skills are nice to have as well, but it's the AP that really sells it.

Heroic reincarnation, I cherry pick. I just get the ones that are fitting for what I want to ultimately do (and ironically I'm almost done with all of the caster classes by doing so). Thank the shiny Kobald that Archtypes don't add another required class for heroic completionist cause then it'd be even more of a grindfest.

The reincarnation treadmill is something that a lot of players avoid, but much like using a regular treadmill the results slowly add up overtime and you don't notice them until you no longer have them (by making a fresh start character).

[1Soulless1]

I am a returning player (about 2 years away).

When I left, Racial PLs were sort of new and I have done WF, Dragonborn and Human x3

I am not a triple Heroic completionist, and I have x3 on one all the Destiny Spheres, but I don't have all x3 for everything I want (some are new). I have also never done an Iconic PL.

I want the Fast Healing one from Primal Epic Destiny (currently at x1 on that) and I want the +5 Healing/Repair and Negative Amp from Divine Sphere (also x1).

Also there are a few Heroic PLs I want to get to x3.

I was thinking that I should pair some Iconic PLs with Heroic PLs and maybe hit 30 x2 for Epic PLs.

Or should I just keep doing Racial PLs for the Racial AP?

Racial PL's are the best bang for the buck in the game atm. The skill,stat and AP boost just blow anything you can get out of Heroic Completionest out of the water. Like you I got back from a long 5 year break and im now grinding out racials in our guild static group on my secondary toon. My main im raiding atm and having fun at cap, until I get what I want gear wise then its onto the racial pl treadmill.

[Logicman69]

Racials definitely hold the most value overall. +4 to Dex, +3 to Cha; +2 to Con, Int, and Wis; and +1 to Str. They would also receive a bonus of 14 Racial AP, as well as the +2 to Spot and Spellcraft and +1 bonuses to the other listed skills - plus the benefits of the Racial Completionist Feat (i.e. +2 to all ability scores and +2 to all skills). The trade off is it does take a LONG time to do. Ottos boxes do make lives easier, but that gets expensive. I basically did the same build every life, just changing the race every time. Made gearing easy as I cleaned out my TR cashe to just have the items I needed for leveling. 1-20 took about a week with playing a couple hours a night (I would hit the harbor loop, then just do saga quests all the way up (plus house K for bank space).

On the plus side, you can also take the character all the way to 30 and get your epic past lives out of the way at the same time.

[Bacab]

I definitely enjoy Heroic 1-20 leveling more than epic levels.
Though it appears epic levels have been adjusted. The monsters seem to have less HP etc.

Also I think I am guilty of enjoying Heroic leveling because I understand it more and it feels more like DnD.

Honestly, I think Epic Destinies were a mistake, but it's never going back...so I should learn to get better at epic levels and understanding how the destinies work.

I am currently running an Arty so maybe I can team up with people and heal some and buff and add some modest dps.

Maybe next life I do a Cleric or Bard for group play and speed?

I have been really happy with the groups of XP I have gotten. Everyone has been nice to me and glad to see me back in the game.

/feelsgoodman

[mr420247]

ETRS ITRS now that pletionist is free then racials last if u can stomach them

I just can't any more reaper frags is the only grind that matters

[Isolani]

I ignored the iconic lives like an idiot, now I am done with 3 X heroic lives but I still have a lot of iconics to do. If you plan on doing some iconics, try to get heroic lives when you do them too. Doing iconics when you don't need the heroic lives anymore is a real drag.

Racials are a big time investment, but I have to say it is pretty nice being able to buy all the way to the top of racial trees with free points from past lives. Especially if it's a good racial tree. I feel like it is well worth it, but it did take a considerable amount of time. But even if you haven't finished all of the racial lives, having say 5 extra racial points will still let you get something you wouldn't be able to afford otherwise, so it isn't like it is all or nothing with the racials. Just having some of them still helps.

All of the ERs are worth it since you get more destiny points to spend. Pick one active epic past life feat from each of the 4 spheres and do 3 of it. Pick ones that you think will be useful in the most situations. I did stuff like Brace first, +3 saves is useful every life. The epic actives are nice to have at L1 each life.

[C-Dog]

Racial AP open up builds not otherwise available. That's why I value them higher than any other past life at the moment...

Racials are a huge time sink.. a slog, versus the Iconic +3x epic past lives which are really quick...

... and so on. Rare that any 2 players fully agree on this topic.

Bottom line, Reincarnation is a slow and incremental process, and rarely will a single Reincarnation get you anything really noticeable or character changing (the sole possible exception being your first, to 34 pt build).

I recommend you set a goal (Completionist, or free Racial AP's from Racial R's, or 3x X-Iconic for {that bonus + Class bonus}), whatever you value while still being "fun" to play, and start down that path. It will come slowly (depending how fast you reincarnate), but it will start to add up.

[kmoustakas]

I am a returning player (about 2 years away).

When I left, Racial PLs were sort of new and I have done WF, Dragonborn and Human x3

I am not a triple Heroic completionist, and I have x3 on one all the Destiny Spheres, but I don't have all x3 for everything I want (some are new). I have also never done an Iconic PL.

I want the Fast Healing one from Primal Epic Destiny (currently at x1 on that) and I want the +5 Healing/Repair and Negative Amp from Divine Sphere (also x1).

Also there are a few Heroic PLs I want to get to x3.

I was thinking that I should pair some Iconic PLs with Heroic PLs and maybe hit 30 x2 for Epic PLs.

Or should I just keep doing Racial PLs for the Racial AP?

I would first get all the epic past lives because first it's WAY faster and the passive buffs they give will make racials easier. Then I would do racials for the extra AP then iconics with all the extra points getting heroic and iconic past lives at once. Once all that is done I would do the buy classes that will never get an iconic due to $$$ and then I'd start doing archetypes, waiting to see if the rest of the normal classes would get iconics. Or I'd be dead because this will take a normal person decades