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    There is a specific cleric class that is more warrior that gets 16 str and 16 wis, and then there is the puny cleric healer specialist build that is only 8 str and 18 wis. I at first chose the stronger so I can excellent solo rather than only good solo with specific healer puny choice. What would you choose? More mana would be nice if powerful cleric attack spells and for more healing. And running to avoid melee hits. The shield when choosing to block, blocks in the game, fun. I haven't seen the higher level cleric spells to see if more mana would be better for attack magic. I thought the melee cleric would be boring to play and even fighter warrior and paladin.

    And the general cleric in Baldur's Gate 2 had attack spells and healing spells. I want both.

    Does str effect carry weight? I've seen in games where you can buy more carry slots for items. Some games have weight with heavy items like Everquest.

    I wanted more mana with 18 wisdom. So, I at second chose the healer specialist. Does he eventually get attack spells at higher levels? He starts off with 14 Con and Undead Scourge starts off with 12 Con. If healer solos, he needs them, because he only has 8 str. He should or he only heals and buffs. I'd have to choose the undead fighter for attack spells at first level 1. What do you know?

    I finally learned that you can make a customized class. And get all cleric spells and set 18 Wis 16 Con and 10 Str. I thought Str is better of 10 than 10 Dex with 0 and no negative to it for AC. I thought 10 Str would improve melee a tad. If 10 Dex causes armor class, thought that would be better.

    I thought which deity to choose for weapon specialty. I like the longsword proficiency. If I can get a good enough longswords in game. Can I? Can you forge high quality longswords for cleric? Could be in game longswords for paladin that cleric can use. Is any weapon best in the game for cleric? Do heavy maces do more damage than daggers?

    There are tomes that add a stat point of like strength, constition, and wisdom in Baldur's Gate. If so, how many are there in DDO? And do stats go up with level for their prime class? Like wisdom for cleric?

    The warrior war cleric looked fun. Like in Baldur's Gate 2, probably +4 or +5 maces in the game for that melee boost. The undead fighter attack spells look fun also, a spell attack cleric.

    Can you make a custom war priest without the actual specific class chosen? I mean with all the level up choice window options?

    A previous player Axel posted on a forum that the war priest point allocating page in game isn't good enough to even add points to. I thought the +2 AC one was best out of them from the YouTube video.

    I like lawful good for alignment to obey the law and do good.

    I thought is there mining and crafting in the game? EQ 2 there is mining and crafting and the cleric templar in it has fighting spells. I've seen in DDO that it's fun.

    Is there a travel to areas on maps option for DDO? I thought you can do dungeons and open world. Like Everquest 2. Diablo Immortal is free and fun with multiple attack options of action RPG, yet it's not a MMORPG.

    If DDO needs more money, I thought a purchase to change the beginning feats and whatever. An example is to change alignment like Chaotic Good with Lawful Good for money unless you can change that in the game for free. Can change the diety for money to be with warhammers instead of longswords. Like looks could be changed for money, the skin color and hair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottster View Post
    I finally learned that you can make a customized class
    This is the way. For some reason, SSG hasn't updated the default character builds in a long time. Is it really new-player unfriendly? Yep. Is there a huge knowledge wall to overcome before designing your own character? Yep. If you can't find a specific build that does what you want on the forums, or have a veteran to talk you through some of your priorities and how to achieve them, unfortunately the only way is trial and error, potentially with the help of DDOWiki.

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    I thought which deity to choose for weapon specialty. I like the longsword proficiency. If I can get a good enough longswords in game. Can I? Can you forge high quality longswords for cleric? Could be in game longswords for paladin that cleric can use. Is any weapon best in the game for cleric? Do heavy maces do more damage than daggers?
    The Sovereign Host has Longsword as a favored weapon. Favored Weapon is critical for the Warpriest tree and otherwise doesn't matter much. If you're intending to play a primarily casting cleric and are bonking things, something's wrong. You can pull off a hybrid, like Axel's build, but it takes work and knowledge

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    There are tomes that add a stat point of like strength, constition, and wisdom in Baldur's Gate. If so, how many are there in DDO? And do stats go up with level for their prime class? Like wisdom for cleric?
    Tomes exist. Low-level ones drop randomly, +2 tomes from 1750 favor, +5 from 5k favor, high-level ones from raids. The max is +8, but if you've already used a tome (eg, +1), you need to use an upgrade tome (eg, +1 to +2 Upgrade). Every four levels you get one free attribute point to assign as you wish.

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    Can you make a custom war priest without the actual specific class chosen? I mean with all the level up choice window options?
    Do you mean a Warpriest using the Cleric tree, or a "warpriest" that bonks with weapons / buffs with spells / tosses heals to friends and self? Both are possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scottster View Post
    A previous player Axel posted on a forum that the war priest point allocating page in game isn't good enough to even add points to. I thought the +2 AC one was best out of them from the YouTube video.
    Most of the opinions you find on the forum are from the perspective of veterans looking at endgame-optimal builds. Don't worry about those too much. Pick enhancement points, make mistakes, and if you find your character incapable of doing what you want then ask for help; most players are perfectly happy to help out new folks. Some things, like Feats and Attribute points, are harder to reset, so read those carefully before you pick 'em

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    I thought is there mining and crafting in the game? EQ 2 there is mining and crafting and the cleric templar in it has fighting spells. I've seen in DDO that it's fun.
    There are many crafting systems (primarily Cannith Crafting in House C or House K), and there are collectable nodes all over the place, but nothing like professions in EQ2 or WOW

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    Is there a travel to areas on maps option for DDO? I thought you can do dungeons and open world. Like Everquest 2. Diablo Immortal is free and fun with multiple attack options of action RPG, yet it's not a MMORPG.
    There's nothing like a truly open world, but there are larger contained Wilderness zones, such as Cerulean Hills, that have different objectives than normal instances.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scottster View Post
    If DDO needs more money, I thought a purchase to change the beginning feats and whatever. An example is to change alignment like Chaotic Good with Lawful Good for money unless you can change that in the game for free. Can change the diety for money to be with warhammers instead of longswords. Like looks could be changed for money, the skin color and hair.
    Part of this is the character presets being outdated. Here is a guy you can talk to in order to swap feats, with the caveat that the feat had to be available to your character at the time, and you can't untrain prereqs unless you swap dependent feats first. Cosmetic items are creatable using the Mirror of Glamoring, and hair dye can be purchased in the DDO store / auction house / found in chests, but not a lot of other customization options exist. Alignment changes are possible (purchaseable in the DDO store) but for a cleric are more for roleplaying flavor than anything else, unless you're planning on multiclassing to Monk/Paladin/Druid/Bard/Barbarian

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    The thing is in DDO you just can't do all 3 of caster, melee and party healer on a cleric. There aren't enough enhancement points, gear slots and feat slots to go around for that. You really have to choose 2 of the 3 to specialize in but not all 3. Try to do all 3 and you end up just being mediocre at all of them because you'll spread yourself too thin. However, if you are sticking to non-reaper difficulties then it's fine you don't need to necessarily optimize although doing so will make things easier regardless of the difficulty you're running.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scottster View Post
    A previous player Axel posted on a forum that the war priest point allocating page in game isn't good enough to even add points to. I thought the +2 AC one was best out of them from the YouTube video.
    Well no that's not quite what I said. What I said was Warpriest isn't good enough for anyone to use as a main tree. I didn't say it isn't good enough to ever add points to, though I personally don't on my melee cleric. However, it certainly could be worth considering for a small investment as a secondary tree. Such as getting the PRR in tier 2, or for divine might on a CHA based melee cleric. Also I did mention there's some niche use situations for divine intervention.

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    "Do you mean a Warpriest using the Cleric tree, or a "warpriest" that bonks with weapons / buffs with spells / tosses heals to friends and self? Both are possible."


    I learned that you can make a custom character and put points into warpriest page tree, and it's just like the warpriest class.

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    If there is one, what's the best cleric weapon in the game? Or can best be crafted or bought for any weapon cleric can use? I thought a longsword could be fun for cleric. If so, what are the best weapons? This question could be for the like game support guy on here also. Like in Baldur's Gate and BG2, and Planescape Torment there are best weapons.

    I know that you can block in the game with a shield. Can you block all attacks in the game? What about spells? That's why I wanted to use like a heavy mace or longsword and a shield.

    What about tower shield? Is that worth getting the feat to get the extra survival blocking? There's also the other shield feat that I thought isn't as good, because in Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 the tower shield always blocked better and I used it for all classes that can use it. Blocked arrows more thought +11.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottster View Post
    If there is one, what's the best cleric weapon in the game? Or can best be crafted or bought for any weapon cleric can use? I thought a longsword could be fun for cleric. If so, what are the best weapons? This question could be for the like game support guy on here also. Like in Baldur's Gate and BG2, and Planescape Torment there are best weapons.

    I know that you can block in the game with a shield. Can you block all attacks in the game? What about spells? That's why I wanted to use like a heavy mace or longsword and a shield.

    What about tower shield? Is that worth getting the feat to get the extra survival blocking? There's also the other shield feat that I thought isn't as good, because in Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 the tower shield always blocked better and I used it for all classes that can use it. Blocked arrows more thought +11.

    #1) I have 3 of Axel's cleric builds. They are fun, but not optimal. That's on lackluster trees for cleric, not the build.

    #2) The penalty for tower shields even fully trained/specc'ed outweighs the advantages. Most players use large shields. (depends on you really).

    #3)Favored weapons (as mentioned) are huge for that type of build. It can vary with race though.

    #4) Look on youtube for build video's, there are a lot of them, and helpful too!

    #5) welcome to DDO.

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