Sovereign Confirmation dialogue box for Otto's Stones

[EdsanDarkbane]

I consumed an Otto's stone without having my sovereign experience potion effect. What a bummer right?
Now I am stuck grinding 5 ranks on build I really don't like.

However if we added a, "Did you know that Otto's Stones are effected by sovereign potion experience buff?"

"Did you check your buff bar? Do you have all the experience buffs you want?

Something like this? To inform newer players, and slow down players like me who may have longer play sessions.

And off topic, those new content is great. You guys are doing a great job managing the game.

[thebeast1985]

I consumed an Otto's stone without having my sovereign experience potion effect. What a bummer right?
Now I am stuck grinding 5 ranks on build I really don't like.

However if we added a, "Did you know that Otto's Stones are effected by sovereign potion experience buff?"

"Did you check your buff bar? Do you have all the experience buffs you want?

Something like this? To inform newer players, and slow down players like me who may have longer play sessions.

And off topic, those new content is great. You guys are doing a great job managing the game.

What if Otto box brought you to lvl 20 flat instead?

What if the game was designed to be fun with all classes instead of this cheap, lame idea of having to use this abomination to skip lame, borked classes?

Wouldn't be better?

Anyway, yeah, they could add a confirmation box, but if they did, everyone would use it the "right" way, thanks to this, you have to grind a little more, maybe buy some more potions, and why not, another otto box.

[Eantarus]

You want the game to check for you whether or not you have a potion running?

[XXThermitexX]

I consumed an Otto's stone without having my sovereign experience potion effect. What a bummer right?
Now I am stuck grinding 5 ranks on build I really don't like.

However if we added a, "Did you know that Otto's Stones are effected by sovereign potion experience buff?"

"Did you check your buff bar? Do you have all the experience buffs you want?

Something like this? To inform newer players, and slow down players like me who may have longer play sessions.

And off topic, those new content is great. You guys are doing a great job managing the game.

You know you can target yourself and open your examine screen to check your buff bar timers? That is always my first check before consuming box exp

[Duskofdead]

What if Otto box brought you to lvl 20 flat instead?

What if the game was designed to be fun with all classes instead of this cheap, lame idea of having to use this abomination to skip lame, borked classes?

Wouldn't be better?

Anyway, yeah, they could add a confirmation box, but if they did, everyone would use it the "right" way, thanks to this, you have to grind a little more, maybe buy some more potions, and why not, another otto box.

Which classes are lame and borked?

I will confess up front, I don’t have huge sympathy for people who are big consumers of ottos boxes and wishes for memories so they can skip things they consider too demeaning to play but still want a benefit of having played it.

[Eantarus]

Which classes are lame and borked?

Personally, I got my heroic completionist pre-reaper when it was possible(and quite easy) to find a fun/enjoyable build on every single class.

Reaper I think is what killed that. Once you had a few PLs under your belt and knew the game, playing Elite was pretty easy. Exploring all the classes was fun.

Now its reaper reaper reaper, and I think that leads to people feeling like they have to skip stuff.

[EdsanDarkbane]

I don't expect the dialogue box to actually read my toons list of active buffs.

I just think a couple dialogue boxes might spark someone s memory if they are managing sov pots during a several TR weekend.


I am thinking of it more as a courtesy to the customer as well. For new players that don't realize they can get a lot more out of the stone, and for players who maybe used one already today and are busy in RL and in the game, it could help slow things down before they smash it.

[Duskofdead]

Personally, I got my heroic completionist pre-reaper when it was possible(and quite easy) to find a fun/enjoyable build on every single class.

Reaper I think is what killed that. Once you had a few PLs under your belt and knew the game, playing Elite was pretty easy. Exploring all the classes was fun.

Now its reaper reaper reaper, and I think that leads to people feeling like they have to skip

I think you’re leaving out that there was always some aspect of this. In the elite bravery streak bonus days there was complaining plenty, and valid, that the game corralled people into classes that handled elite more easily than others. And there was a point in time before the glut of stat/save/item bloat where elite was as difficult as mid reaper tiers today, within the context of player power at that time.

I remember very clearly when I first reincarnated “”the meta”” was that only sorcs and artificers were considered valid for the high end play we’d associate with high reaper today, because they were high ranged damage classes that could self heal. Melee were not considered things new players did at that time. So I don’t really agree that there was a magic time all classes were valid and fun and that they slowly constructed to fewer and fewer. It’s been more like a round robin. And some things have had more than their fair number of times in the wheel and ironically, it’s the things that the power players seem to most like playing. High dps casters builds.

[thebeast1985]

Which classes are lame and borked?

I will confess up front, I don’t have huge sympathy for people who are big consumers of ottos boxes and wishes for memories so they can skip things they consider too demeaning to play but still want a benefit of having played it.

Many classes are broken due to, how can I say it without breaking the rules in this forum or making someone sad because "I'm mean" (which by the way it's just plain truth, telling truth can result mean, if you know it's true)

I'll try with this, let's say that there should be some work to be done in technical aspects of the game and also gamedesign-wise, that could make classes working better, and be more enticing to play instead of a plain pain in the...

That said, I do not blame people from using otto boxes (and I can assure you, that i will NEVER give them a single cent for that, and I'll also avoid calling names over that abomination)
I blame the choices that led them to monetize over skipping boring content.
They should have monetized over cosmetics (I'll be honest, I do like the cosmetics they create, despite the technical limits of the engine and all, they are good at making good cosmetics), over many, many, MANY other things instead of that LAME Otto boxes, Wish, and all that... stuff.

[EdsanDarkbane]

I find the Otto's boxes meaningful. The game came out in 2006, it is 2022. I have grown up I have a family and a career, now. To me Otto's are what keep me playing otherwise I would never even dream of ever getting remotely close to the goals I have for my main toon.

It's not a out skipping the game for me it's a out saving time. Although I guess this last life it was about skipping it but it can still be both answers!

[Oliphant]

I will confess up front, I don’t have huge sympathy for people who are big consumers of ottos boxes and wishes for memories so they can skip things they consider too demeaning to play but still want a benefit of having played it.

Making a contribution to something in the real world for an hour earning $35 and then using it to support the game seems like better use of mortal-hours than grinding for 50 hours on a video game screen doing stuff you don't like.

[Eantarus]

I think you’re leaving out that there was always some aspect of this. In the elite bravery streak bonus days there was complaining plenty, and valid, that the game corralled people into classes that handled elite more easily than others.

The bravery streak was dumb. We can all agree on that. Made the game miserable.

As far as class goes, yeah I guess if you are only going out for pure classes, there are some that "handle" EE more easily, but I for one played exclusively splash builds(except for things like wizard and sorc). So you could easily come up with a melee that owned EE just by doing splash builds. Most were not "first-life friendly" though.

I remember very clearly when I first reincarnated “”the meta”” was that only sorcs and artificers were considered valid for the high end play we’d associate with high reaper today, because they were high ranged damage classes that could self heal.

This was never the meta on my server.

So I don’t really agree that there was a magic time all classes were valid and fun and that they slowly constructed to fewer and fewer. It’s been more like a round robin. And some things have had more than their fair number of times in the wheel and ironically, it’s the things that the power players seem to most like playing. High dps casters builds.

Sure if you mean pure classes. Multi-classing is the soul of DDO.

[thebeast1985]

I find the Otto's boxes meaningful. The game came out in 2006, it is 2022. I have grown up I have a family and a career, now. To me Otto's are what keep me playing otherwise I would never even dream of ever getting remotely close to the goals I have for my main toon.

It's not a out skipping the game for me it's a out saving time. Although I guess this last life it was about skipping it but it can still be both answers!

I agree with your vision, but, I'll try to make my point of view more clear asking you this.
Wouldn't it be better IF instead of selling you for an absurd amount of money, a free skip on game content (which is made boring by choice to make you spend money to avoid it) and instead of this crappy system they would have sold you a really cool, nice outfit, and maybe a mount, an aura... whatever you like, AND reduced the exp needed to level up?
Doing so, you would ENJOY the game instead of SKIPPING the game, which in my personal point of view is a COMPLETE FAIL as a game developer, game deisgner, clearly if you want to milk the playerbase, its a complete success, still...
GAME are supposed to be fun and enjoyable, not stressfull and boring, else we could call them torture, pain in the... whatever...

Making a contribution to something in the real world for an hour earning $35 and then using it to support the game seems like better use of mortal-hours than grinding for 50 hours on a video game screen doing stuff you don't like.

As stated in the upper quote.
And I think that supporting a game this way is the worst way to do it.
Players should clearly support game development, but not with this, there are way better and more rewarding, less stressful methods for supporting development.
That said, it's your money, do what makes you feel good about it, right?

[Oliphant]

As stated in the upper quote.
And I think that supporting a game this way is the worst way to do it.
Players should clearly support game development, but not with this, there are way better and more rewarding, less stressful methods for supporting development.
That said, it's your money, do what makes you feel good about it, right?

Support has two possible goals:

• Good design incentives.
• Game surviving at all.

I guess I'm here supporting the latter goal mainly at this point.

[thebeast1985]

Support has two possible goals:

• Good design incentives.
• Game surviving at all.

I guess I'm here supporting the latter goal mainly at this point.

I do agree with you, nevertheless, this poor marketing choices (to be polite) will be the end of this game sooner or later, I hope later, than sooner considering i still like and play the game. if I didn't i wouldn't even post on forums at all, will be the end of the game,

This "silly" choices aren't appealing to new players, but just to bored, tired, veterans that are fed with the leveling grind.

Instead of promoting an healthy game progression, they are making players spend money to avoid playing but still keeping up with other veterans, that's completely fine, right?

[slarden]

It seems likely to me that most people buying a box are also using sovereign potions with the box so a warning message if you don't have a sovereign potion is a reasonable thing.

As far as DDO problems go it's most definitely a first-world problem, but it's also something that aligns well with their highest-revenue customers.

On a related topic, shouldn't they change boxes to include 3 sovereign potions instead of 5 superior or alternatively giving you the option between 3 sovereign and 5 superior? Seems pointless to include superiors in there.

[EdsanDarkbane]

Sovereign Potions replacing the superior potions, is a great great idea.

I like the Otto's because I am paying money to yes "skip" gameplay.

HOWEVER,

I feel like the cash is just trading my time, because I would and could grind the levels but I don't have the time anymore.
I don't have the time to spend on the game. I can't grind end lvl content for the next time upgrade. But, I got a little money for a past life every now and then.

I don't mind supporting the game and free to play crowd by investing in this game.
It really is one of a kind. Yea it's not perfect. But these are working passionately on it and that is something I want to reward.

I have spent many many many hours on many different mmos. Only a few out there that are interested in turning out a good product; most are just looking to lighten your wallet. If DDO goes that way I will make my decision then, but I believe in the staff I think they have good leadership.

I support the Otto's box because I don't have the time anymore, but still want those past lives.

[Uska]

Umm no that falls under personal responsibility

[Arkat]

Umm no that falls under personal responsibility

Exactly.

Devs aren't paid to hold folks' hands.

[Tanky]

What if Otto box brought you to lvl 20 flat instead?

It's ridiculous that it doesn't. Otto's is akin to pay-to-catchup methods in other games, where you pay $$ to boost a character to max level. There's way too much arcane knowledge required about DDO in order to maximize Otto's XP gains. Even then, it's still too easy to result in a "feels bad" moment like the OP.

As a VIP, you'd need a 20% VIP bonus weekend on top of all other XP boost sources to go from 0 XP to level 20. And I can't remember the last time there was a 20% VIP weekend, if ever. The closest we get is a 10% VIP bonus weekend with Night Revels so you can blast through 4 quests on CR25 at level 18 to get to level 20 quickly, rinsing and repeating.