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    Default Steelmaiden U57 Update

    With the changes made in U57 to fighters I have updated the Steelmaiden build.
    Please note this is a ZERO DPS Tank Build. Her only purpose is to take the aggro and to survive.




    This time around she is Aasimar. The new split is 12 Fighter, 5 Paladin, 3 Artificer.

    12 Fighter gets you 10% Quality hit points. Aasimar get you 5% Sacred hit points. Fighter also has the new Second Wind feat that can be an amazing self heal. With 12 levels you get 4 charges of it. Outside of reaper it heals me for 9,546 hit points. In reaper 10 it heals me for 450ish hit points.

    5 Paladin because we want the tier 5 Sacred Defender enhancements. I feel that they are better than the tier 5 Stalwart Defender enhancements. 3 Artificer for the 50% Bonus to your Armor's AC rating from Renegade Master Maker.

    Base Stats
    Strength 14
    Dexterity 12
    Constitution 18 <- All Level ups here.
    Intelligence 14
    Charisma 12

    Level Ups:
    1-8 Take your Paladin and your Artificer Levels.
    9-20 Fighter Levels.

    Feats: Every General feat is TOUGHNESS.
    Fighter Feats: Shield Mastery, Improved Shield Mastery, Greater Shield Mastery, Combat Expertise, Improved Critical, Dodge, Mobility

    Epic Feats:
    Epic Toughness, Bulwark of Defense (Kind of a bad feat, should probably be Toughness), More Toughness.

    Destiny Feats:
    Perfect Shield Mastery, Legendary Toughness, More Toughness

    All in I took the Toughness feat 11 times.


    Gear:
    Right now her gear is not quite optimized. I am in the progress of Ironing it out. It may change if I add Isle of Dread pieces into the mix.

    Goggles: Collective Sight with Charisma, Insightful Charisma, Masters Gift
    Helmet: Crown of Butterflies with Topaz of Swiftness
    Neck: Rune Lodestone with Defense, Accuracy, Insightful Dex
    Trinket: Heart of Suulomades with Draconic Soul Gem, Globe of True Imperial Blood, Diamond of Constitution 12
    Cloak: Cloak of Winter with Sapphire of Good Luck 2
    Belt: Direbear Belt with Essence of the Epic Litany of the Dead
    Ring1: Celestial Emerald with Diamond of Strength 14
    Gloves: Wildwood Gauntlets (Empty Yellow Slot)(This piece of gear needs to be examined for something better.)
    Boots: Deepsnow Boots with Topaz of Deathblock
    Ring2: Nocturne Ring with Topaz of Feather Falling
    Bracers: Cold Iron Bracers with Diamond of Dexterity 12
    Armor: Plate of the Winter Solstice with Sapphire of Armored Agility +2

    Weapon: Pick anything you aren't doing DPS you just need to Filigree it up.
    Shield: Crystalline Ward with Sapphire of False Life 54

    So 7 Pieces of winter and a few other miscellaneous pieces. Tempted to use the Ferrocrystal Large Shield for a 2 Piece Summer set bonus but I am not ready to swap to that yet as I am considering moving to a dinosaur bone shield and weapon for 2 of the 5 pieces of a dread isle set. Then if I can find a way to fit 3 more dread isle pieces in (Maybe ring, gloves, goggles ) I would have a 7 piece winter with a 5 piece Isle of dread set. Still considering possibilities here.

    A note for the green steel lovers. I tried a 5 piece legendary green steel set and netted 105 more hit points. I felt that the 105 more hit points were not worth all of the lost Augment slots and Mods on the other gear.

    Filigree
    2x Beast Mantle
    3x Grandfather Shield
    4x Technomage
    4x Bravery Throughout

    Enhancements

    16 AP in Aasimar for Ascendant Bond
    43 In Sacred Defender (Tier 5 and Sacred Defense Goodies)
    24 in Stalwart Defender (Stand Fast and Reinforced Armor)
    13 in Renegade Master Maker (Reinforced Armor)
    1 in Harper for +1 to hit. (Universal AP Tome)
    for 97 AP : 80 Standard AP, 16 Racial AP, 1 Universal AP

    Destinies:
    45 AP in Sentinal, 14 AP in Dreadnaught (Quite a few HP available in Dreadnaught), 12 in Shadowdancer (Immunity to Energy Drain)
    for 71 AP Spent.

    Reaper:
    Fill out Grim Barricade 1st. Then points into the other 2 trees to pick up some Dex and some Charisma.
    Last edited by PainStealer; 11-16-2022 at 03:23 AM.
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    Tasty

    But... start with con 17 & cha & dex +1?

    Or IoD weapon for +2 execptional con?

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    Double Soulweaver/Splendid Cacophony + double Snake Bite/Grandfather's Shield?
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    ac is nice, prr seems kinda low

    take deific warding? and epic damage reduction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobgoblin51 View Post
    ac is nice, prr seems kinda low

    take deific warding? and epic damage reduction?
    PRR has punishing diminishing returns. 350 PRR is 100/450 (.222) or about 78% Damage reduction. If I were to bump it to 360 using Epic damage reduction it would be 100/460 (.217) or about 78% reduction. So at these levels of PRR Epic damage reduction buys you a little less than 1/2 of 1 percent reduction. Toughness is better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by voxson5 View Post
    Tasty

    But... start with con 17 & cha & dex +1?

    Or IoD weapon for +2 execptional con?
    Yes my stat numbers are odd at the moment. Once I have all the gear sorted out I may do an LR or change a couple of enhancement points to adjust them a little.
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    Just curious, what is your heal amp at?
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    Thank you for posting an update.

    I have Dwarven Armored Trash Can build that is loosely modeled after your older Steelmaiden post. I have been putting some thought into how to rebuild that build post U57 so it is great to have an update to look at.

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    Would maybe swapping Combat Expertise for one of the heavy armor feats get you better survivability? The ones that give PRR and MRR instead of just AC from CE?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolo_Grubb View Post
    Just curious, what is your heal amp at?
    I will need to get back to you once the game is up. I have 3 Pally PL as well as 1 Sacred Fist. Then add gear, enhancements .... it is pretty good.

    I Checked .. 238
    Last edited by PainStealer; 11-16-2022 at 04:33 PM.
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    Should probably double check your math when looking at your PRR. Deciding between hp and prr should use the equation HP/(1-(PRR/PRR+100))=effective hp. Stuff like Heavy Armor Master/Combatant and epic damage reduction are just better than toughness feats. I like to think it as 10 PRR=100 HP when looking at most tanks, although this is not true for all cases. The only time when adding PRR is not usually worth it is at 650+ just because its extremely hard to hold those numbers for a significant time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PainStealer View Post


    5 Paladin because we want the tier 5 Sacred Defender enhancements. . 3 Artificer for the 50% Bonus to your Armor's AC rating from Renegade Master Maker.


    Enhancements

    16 AP in Aasimar for Ascendant Bond
    43 In Sacred Defender (Tier 5 and Sacred Defense Goodies)
    13 in Renegade Master Maker (Reinforced Armor)
    Question: does tier 4 sacred defender Reinforced Armor - The Armor Class bonus you gain from armor or docents is increased by 15/30/50%,
    STACK with Artificer Renegade Mastermaker Reinforced Armor - The Armor Class bonus you gain from armor or docents is increased by 15/30/50%.

    ????

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    Quote Originally Posted by drathdragon View Post
    Question: does tier 4 sacred defender Reinforced Armor - The Armor Class bonus you gain from armor or docents is increased by 15/30/50%,
    STACK with Artificer Renegade Mastermaker Reinforced Armor - The Armor Class bonus you gain from armor or docents is increased by 15/30/50%.

    ????
    Yes, They stack. And they stack with the similar Fighter enhancement. That is why I take all 3 and get 600 ish AC.
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    https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showth...ishing-returns

    https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showth...=1#post5418455

    Not to argue or anything but the posts above seems to disagree with PRR having diminishing returns, but maybe I am not understanding all the math


    oh and thanks for posting your heal amp, appreciate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolo_Grubb View Post
    https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showth...ishing-returns

    https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showth...=1#post5418455

    Not to argue or anything but the posts above seems to disagree with PRR having diminishing returns, but maybe I am not understanding all the math
    Pretty simple to see the diminishing returns. The 1st 100 PR provides a 50% reduction. Then next 100 PR provide an additional 17% reduction. The next 100 provide an additional 8% reduction. As you add more PRR the less benefit you derive from additional PRR. Pretty much the definition of diminishing returns.
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    this more accurately sums up what im trying to say-

    https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showth...=1#post5418455

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