Best End Game Sorc Build?

[Cor_Dath'a]

Hi, what's the best end game sorc build? Feats, enhancements, etc. I'd like to do reaper to get my rather low RP built up. Thanks.

[Grummpy_Grunndi]

That’s a tough question to answer without a bit more info.

What kind of past lives do you have?
Do you have access to all races?
What kind of reaper do you usually run? R1-4? R5-7? R8-10?
Do you usually run with a group or would you prefer to be able to solo mostly?
Do you have access to all gear and raid gear?

Dragonborn Cold Sorc blaster is very strong right now and what most people think of as a typical Sorc, so I suspect that’d work for you.
DCs/tanky sorcs are very good for High reapers but need support from the rest of the party.
EK sorcs have great single target damage for bosses, but also do best in a well rounded party.

[majorhavoc]

Hi, what's the best end game sorc build? Feats, enhancements, etc. I'd like to do reaper to get my rather low RP built up. Thanks.

I have been running various Sorc builds for years now, here is my current blaster, easily solo any R4, and always ready for raids.

Stormmage
Sorcerer 20
True Neutral Dragonborn




Stats
36pt Tome Level Up
---- ---- --------
Strength 10 +8 4: CHA
Dexterity 6 +8 8: CHA
Constitution 18 +8 12: CHA
Intelligence 12 +8 16: CHA
Wisdom 8 +8 20: CHA
Charisma 20 +8 24: CHA
28: CHA


Skills

Spellcraft 23
Bluff 17
Heal 11
Balance 11
Jump 11
UMD 1


Feats


1 : Maximize Spell
3 : Empower Spell
6 : Quicken Spell
9 : Heighten Spell
12 : Mental Toughness
15 : Improved Mental Toughness
18 : Armor Proficiency: Light
21 Epic : Epic Mental Toughness
22 Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Fire
24 Epic : Intensify Spell
25 Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Force
27 Epic : Ruin
28 Destiny: Crush Weakness
30 Epic : Greater Ruin
30 Legend : Scion of: Plane of Fire


1 Dragon : Draconic Ancestry: Red


Spells

1. Jump (1), Nightshield (1), Shield (2), Mage Armor (3)
2. Blur (4), False Life (5), Knock (7), Web (9)
3. Displacement (6), Haste (7), Fireball (9), Suggestion (11)
4. Dimension Door (8), Stoneskin (9), Wall of Fire (11), Phantasmal Killer (13)
5. Mind Fog (10), Eladar's Electric Surge (11), Protection from Elements (13), Hold Monster (15)
6. Greater Heroism (12), Disintegrate (13), Symbol of Persuasion (15)
7. Delayed Blast Fireball (14), Finger of Death (15), Otto's Sphere of Dancing (17)
8. Sunburst (16), Incendiary Cloud (17), Arcane Tempest (19)
9. Meteor Swarm (18), Mass Hold Monster (19), Wail of the Banshee (20)

Enhancements (Spent: 80 +16r +1u / Max: 80 +16r +1u AP)

Fire Savant (41 AP)
• Fire Savant, Fire Affinity, Greater Fire Affinity, Immolation, Elemental Persistance, Elemental Apotheosis
1. Burning Hands III, Spell Critical, Conflagration III
2. Spell Critical, Fanning the Flames III
3. Spell Penetration, Spell Critical, Stat: Charisma
4. Scorch III, Spell Critical, Stat: Charisma
5. Fireball III, Awaken Elemental Weakness, Evocation Focus, Elemental Diversification: Power of Force


Feydark Illusionist (31 AP)
• Find Familiar: Illusory Sprite, Ability Score I: Charisma, Greater Color Spray, Ability Score II: Charisma, Familiar's Reach
1. Feydark Explorer III, Study the Arcane III
2. You've Got My Back
3. Spell Penetration III, Magical Attunment I, Refraction, Stat: Charisma
4. Fan of Shadowblades III, Magical Attunment II, Stat: Charisma


Dragonborn (25 AP)
• Hardy I, Dragonborn Ability I: Charisma, Hardy II, Dragonborn Ability II: Charisma
1. (none)
2. Dragon Breath: Red (Fire), Arcanum III
3. Dragon Heritage: Red (Fire) III, Power in Breath III, Draconic Knowledge: Red (Fire)
4. True Power III




Destinies (Spent: 72 (41 +32pdp) / Max: 72 (40 +32pdp) AP) Errors


Draconic Incarnation (36 AP)
• Draconic Bloodline: Red, Draconic Heritage, Elemental Blood
1. Draconic Perception II, Attune the Arcane, Arcane Studies III
2. Draconic Presence III, Dragon Breath III, Coalescence III
3. Inevitable, Daunting-Roar, Draconic Spell Focus: Evocation III
4. Dragonspeed, Improve Dragon Breath: Energy Burst
5. Bring About Destruction, Ruin Intensified, Enhanced Draconic Spell Focus II


Exalted Angel (23 AP)
• Astral Touch, Deepening Faith, Angelic Charge
1. Subtle Flame III, Born By Flame III, Angelic Form
2. Divine Protection
3. Angelic Spell Focus: Evocation III, Noble Affinity: Mass Cure Moderate Wounds, Holy Presence, Purity of Mind and Soul III
4. Blood and Radiance


Shadowdancer (14 AP)
• Shadow Training, Step Through Shadow, The Darkest Luck
1. Cover of Darkness III, Well of Darkness III
2. Lithe III
3. Shadowcaster: Shadowcaster

[Jeromio]

I have been running various Sorc builds for years now, here is my current blaster, easily solo any R4, and always ready for raids.

Stormmage
Sorcerer 20
True Neutral Dragonborn




Stats
36pt Tome Level Up
---- ---- --------
Strength 10 +8 4: CHA
Dexterity 6 +8 8: CHA
Constitution 18 +8 12: CHA
Intelligence 12 +8 16: CHA
Wisdom 8 +8 20: CHA
Charisma 20 +8 24: CHA
28: CHA


Skills

Bluff 17
Heal 11
Balance 11
Jump 11
UMD 1


Feats


1 : Maximize Spell
3 : Empower Spell
6 : Quicken Spell
9 : Heighten Spell
12 : Mental Toughness
15 : Improved Mental Toughness
18 : Armor Proficiency: Light
21 Epic : Epic Mental Toughness
22 Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Fire
24 Epic : Intensify Spell
25 Destiny: Epic Spell Power: Force
27 Epic : Ruin
28 Destiny: Crush Weakness
30 Epic : Greater Ruin
30 Legend : Scion of: Plane of Fire


1 Dragon : Draconic Ancestry: Red


Spells

1. Jump (1), Nightshield (1), Shield (2), Mage Armor (3)
2. Blur (4), False Life (5), Knock (7), Web (9)
3. Displacement (6), Haste (7), Fireball (9), Suggestion (11)
4. Dimension Door (8), Stoneskin (9), Wall of Fire (11), Phantasmal Killer (13)
5. Mind Fog (10), Eladar's Electric Surge (11), Protection from Elements (13), Hold Monster (15)
6. Greater Heroism (12), Disintegrate (13), Symbol of Persuasion (15)
7. Delayed Blast Fireball (14), Finger of Death (15), Otto's Sphere of Dancing (17)
8. Sunburst (16), Incendiary Cloud (17), Arcane Tempest (19)
9. Meteor Swarm (18), Mass Hold Monster (19), Wail of the Banshee (20)

Enhancements (Spent: 80 +16r +1u / Max: 80 +16r +1u AP)

Fire Savant (41 AP)
• Fire Savant, Fire Affinity, Greater Fire Affinity, Immolation, Elemental Persistance, Elemental Apotheosis
1. Burning Hands III, Spell Critical, Conflagration III
2. Spell Critical, Fanning the Flames III
3. Spell Penetration, Spell Critical, Stat: Charisma
4. Scorch III, Spell Critical, Stat: Charisma
5. Fireball III, Awaken Elemental Weakness, Evocation Focus, Elemental Diversification: Power of Force


Feydark Illusionist (31 AP)
• Find Familiar: Illusory Sprite, Ability Score I: Charisma, Greater Color Spray, Ability Score II: Charisma, Familiar's Reach
1. Feydark Explorer III, Study the Arcane III
2. You've Got My Back
3. Spell Penetration III, Magical Attunment I, Refraction, Stat: Charisma
4. Fan of Shadowblades III, Magical Attunment II, Stat: Charisma


Dragonborn (25 AP)
• Hardy I, Dragonborn Ability I: Charisma, Hardy II, Dragonborn Ability II: Charisma
1. (none)
2. Dragon Breath: Red (Fire), Arcanum III
3. Dragon Heritage: Red (Fire) III, Power in Breath III, Draconic Knowledge: Red (Fire)
4. True Power III




Destinies (Spent: 73 (41 +32pdp) / Max: 72 (40 +32pdp) AP) Errors


Draconic Incarnation (36 AP)
• Draconic Bloodline: Red, Draconic Heritage, Elemental Blood
1. Draconic Perception II, Attune the Arcane, Arcane Studies III
2. Draconic Presence III, Dragon Breath III, Coalescence III
3. Inevitable, Daunting-Roar, Draconic Spell Focus: Evocation III
4. Dragonspeed, Improve Dragon Breath: Energy Burst
5. Bring About Destruction, Ruin Intensified, Enhanced Draconic Spell Focus III


Exalted Angel (23 AP)
• Astral Touch, Deepening Faith, Angelic Charge
1. Subtle Flame III, Born By Flame III, Angelic Form
2. Divine Protection
3. Angelic Spell Focus: Evocation III, Noble Affinity: Mass Cure Moderate Wounds, Holy Presence, Purity of Mind and Soul III
4. Blood and Radiance


Shadowdancer (14 AP)
• Shadow Training, Step Through Shadow, The Darkest Luck
1. Cover of Darkness III, Well of Darkness III
2. Lithe III
3. Shadowcaster: Shadowcaster

For end game, I'd suggest a few changes to improve the build:
* Skill Spellcraft instead of Bluff, to get a bit more spell power.
* Three feats for a total of +3% spell crit? Is it worth it? I'd prefer Arcane Initiate and two evocation focus feats instead for higher DC. Personally, I almost never run of out SP on my sorc.
* I usually pick enlarge over quicken as sorc, but that's me.

[C-Dog]

* Three feats for a total of +3% spell crit? Is it worth it? I'd prefer Arcane Initiate and two evocation focus feats instead for higher DC. Personally, I almost never run of out SP on my sorc.

If the character is landing all their spells, no reason for +DC, so it depends on the individual (and past lives and gear! Gear especially is a huge variable in such discussions.).

More, some Caster players accept that they have to stop at every shrine and rest up, others hate that delay and want to keep going without stopping. Ymmv.

[mr420247]

I'd rather go tier 4 primal for evasion and reborn in fire 2 fire sorcs can easily duo with that

Primal is alot better heal tree then EA and you don't need the stance

What is the dcs like in sharns and feywild don't you want 130 for no fail there

[Jeromio]

If the character is landing all their spells, no reason for +DC, so it depends on the individual (and past lives and gear! Gear especially is a huge variable in such discussions.).

More, some Caster players accept that they have to stop at every shrine and rest up, others hate that delay and want to keep going without stopping. Ymmv.

When farming reaper points at "end game" with a toon "rather low on RP", as the OP indicated for the thread subject, I would personally struggle a bit if not prioritizing DCs, but that's me.

[majorhavoc]

For end game, I'd suggest a few changes to improve the build:
* Skill Spellcraft instead of Bluff, to get a bit more spell power.
* Three feats for a total of +3% spell crit? Is it worth it? I'd prefer Arcane Initiate and two evocation focus feats instead for higher DC. Personally, I almost never run of out SP on my sorc.
* I usually pick enlarge over quicken as sorc, but that's me.

Indeed, Spell craft should be maxed out on every caster, was accidently deleted, fixed it.
As for the 3 feats in question, I have done many combinations some to the other good feat choices are: Past Life Wizard, Medium Armor, Extend spell, Toughness. Wellspring....
Lastly, Enlarge spell is a must, this build get it for free on every spell by spending 31 APs in Feydark Illusionist.

[majorhavoc]

When farming reaper points at "end game" with a toon "rather low on RP", as the OP indicated for the thread subject, I would personally struggle a bit if not prioritizing DCs, but that's me.

Agreed DCs are hugely important, but the above build is well over 100 DCs in all categories, I personally feel like a few more points in DCs will NOT make a big difference.

As for the Exalted Angel (23 AP) I find the AOE no cast heals a massive help in raids & high reaper content.

[Seydlitz]

Hi, Many thanks for this. Any thoughts on gear loadout? I am looking for ways to incorporate the Isle of Dread equipment into my current fire sorc. My current idea is to mix Dread with some Fay, and use Perfected Dragons Eye/LCrimson Necklace combo (where PDE would be the artifact).