Devs ever address this issue? A year+ ago was "in the near future"?

[kpak01]

People are still openly cheating by exploiting a bug that the devs have clearly said is not working as intended.

Let's just put it out there, though, that this is not intended behavior, and will get corrected in the near future.

[Snormal]

People are still openly cheating by exploiting a bug that the devs have clearly said is not working as intended.

LOL. Do you need help getting threads, bud?

[kpak01]

LOL. Do you need help getting threads, bud?

Not particularly; I have over 10k in the bank. Why, do you? Did you spend all yours exploiting or something?

What I need is for the devs to take action on the cheating, with extreme prejudice, to level the playing field for those of us not cheating. That will do way more for game balance than random nerfs to some enhancement tree or something.

[gravisrs]

Maybe just change U42 release notes

It's a pity your apparently uncommon build cannot take an advantage from it so you have to scream around to turn it off for everyone else (despite you prolly ran thousands of quests/raids with such players and took a proxy benefit from it anyway).

[ahpook]

People are still openly cheating by exploiting a bug that the devs have clearly said is not working as intended.

I would not read that as "DO NOT DO THAT YOU IMMORAL A HOLE". It seems more like, "One day this may change and no longer stack but since we gave you advance notice we are not going to listen to your whining when that day comes. Until then use it at your own risk."

Your personal decision to read it as the former and broadcast your (unlikely) moral superiority is your choice but it is unlikely to change the tides on this issue.

[kpak01]

I would not read that as "DO NOT DO THAT YOU IMMORAL A HOLE". It seems more like, "One day this may change and no longer stack but since we gave you advance notice we are not going to listen to your whining when that day comes. Until then use it at your own risk."

Your personal decision to read it as the former and broadcast your (unlikely) moral superiority is your choice but it is unlikely to change the tides on this issue.

No, it's not my choice. It's the devs choice. They have plainly said, now more than once, that it's not intended. Deliberately exploiting unintended behavior is cheating.

I don't expect the deliberate and knowing cheaters to suddenly have some epiphany from anything I say, if that's what you mean by "change the tides". I just want the devs to follow through on their promise to fix it, so the game is fair for the rest of us non-cheaters. Punishing the exploiters, as they have done in the past, would be appropriate, too.

[Nugaot]

Boy, you must be a hoot at parties.

Couldn't imagine being so upset about something like this for over a year. Do you have hobbies? You should try it sometime.

[jskinner937]

This is the most riduculous OP ever posted....

Facts......
1.) The devs have recognized this issue.
2.) Even acknowledging it is not intended, they decided it is not a priority to fix since it has been years.
3.) Everyone has access to minor artifacts and sentient jewels. It holds alot of power besides the unintended behavior.

Opinion..
Calling players cheating is a bit extreme considering the facts above. Most players are using fillagrees in this manner for the small boost it gives. What are we talking about here? At best you are gaining +5 to a stat which is a 2.5 boost to DC on a caster. And using the max, you are losing out on additional set bonuses that could make up at least +2 boosts to DCs on a caster by optimizing your casting stat. I hardly consider this game breaking and exploiting.

The fact that this is a priority to the OP is beyond me and the fact that he is calling players cheaters is flat out ridiculous. If it is recognized as an issue by the devs and not fixed, it is not the players fault to not use it to their advantage even for the little beenfit it has. The same could be said positioning a doom reaper on a perch spot when a tank is not available and letting others beat it down while holding aggro. This is clearly not a design goal of the devs, but a work-around found by players to a path of success.

I presume this thread will get closed and the issue get ignored as it is not a priority due to its lack of gamebreaking feature, despite the OP claims. My guess is the OP has limited experience with sentient/minor artifacts, because if he/she did, he/she would see there is not really the extra power he thinks it is. Even on a melee or ranged character, you can always slot other set bonuses with the same MP or RP boosts and still come very close to not using the unintended stacking issues.

I challenge you to post a combination you find gamebreaking and I will post a counter and lets see the difference.

[Buddha5440]

...What I need is for the devs to take action on the cheating, with extreme prejudice, to level the playing field for those of us not cheating. That will do way more for game balance than random nerfs to some enhancement tree or something.

There is no "PLAYING FIELD". A playing field (from OED..."a field used for outdoor team games.") requires teams competing against one another; but thank you for Trolling

[Smurgels]

man. this is so low on the totem pole that i could care less if they get a minor advantage. i'd rather the lag get fixed and the many MAAANYYYYYY other things before this.

[trancefate]

Someone wanna clue the honest gamers among us into what this conversation is even about?

What are threads?

[kpak01]

Someone wanna clue the honest gamers among us into what this conversation is even about?

What it's about is that there is a way to cheat, which the devs have clearly said is not intended, that many cheaters are exploiting anyway.

I'm not going to tell you how to do it. That's against forum rules, and is why I reported one of those posts further up that gives way too much information.

What are threads?

I:Thread of Fate - DDO wiki

[Fisto_Mk_I]

What it's about is that there is a way to cheat, which the devs have clearly said is not intended, that many cheaters are exploiting anyway.

Non-WAI =/= cheating =/= exploiting. It's means just that what happened in the end works in a way different from how it was originally conceived. Do not attribute to this the initially infernal and malicious meanings not contained there.

Do you have a statement from the developers (not from the forum moderator) that the current use of the situation on the live servers is a cheating or exploit? Please provide a link.

If you can't - don't try stigmatize builds and users.

What if tomorrow the developers say that they thought and decided that from now on this is WAI (it's really simplest and satisfied all way)? Then you go silent?

[rabidfox]

Someone wanna clue the honest gamers among us into what this conversation is even about?

What are threads?

Here's a prior thread about it. https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showth...s-bonus-stack?

[kpak01]

Non-WAI =/= cheating =/= exploiting.

Knowingly and deliberately exploiting something that is non-WAI to gain an unintended advantage most certainly is cheating. It's pretty much the definition of cheating in a game like this.

Do you have a statement from the developers (not from the forum moderator) that the current use of the situation on the live servers is a cheating or exploit? Please provide a link.

Multiple statements have been provided in the past. Do your own research. I suggest starting with the release notes from when Minor Artifacts were first introduced.

What if tomorrow the developers say that they thought and decided that from now on this is WAI (it's really simplest and satisfied all way)? Then you go silent?

If the devs make that decision, then, obviously, using it would become using something intended, rather than exploiting something unintended. Duh. Is that supposed to be a hard question? But that has not happened. Using it is cheating.

I hope that's not the solution they choose, simply because I don't think the game needs all that extra power creep, but if they did, then at least it would be some solution so we would not have the power gap between players playing fairly and the cheaters, which would be an improvement over the current situation, where honest players are at a disadvantage compared to the cheaters.

[kpak01]

Multiple statements from SSG mean this issue is crystal-clear. Yet it's amazing how many people decide they need to post to defend cheating. I wonder if any of them have an ulterior motive.

Come on, SSG, we need some of that "extreme prejudice"!

[Bowser_Koopa]

Multiple statements from SSG mean this issue is crystal-clear. Yet it's amazing how many people decide they need to post to defend cheating. I wonder if any of them have an ulterior motive.

Come on, SSG, we need some of that "extreme prejudice"!

Let's apply this logic a different way. It is my current belief that some mobs are casting shout, greater shout and greatest shout in a way where there is no chance for the player to save against the stun. Therefore since the mobs are willingly casting these spells the mobs and the people who created the bug should be banned with EXTREME PREDJUDICE correct?

[merridyan]

Multiple statements from SSG mean this issue is crystal-clear. Yet it's amazing how many people decide they need to post to defend cheating. I wonder if any of them have an ulterior motive.

Come on, SSG, we need some of that "extreme prejudice"!

Give it up already, devs know about it, haven't fixed it. A huge majority of the player base use this so called exploit, since it hasn't been fixed the devs obviously don't care much about it. Not sure why you are dying on this hill. Move on and play the game.

Also if they went all extreme prejudice and banned everyone doing it, you would have mostly empty servers.

[jskinner937]

If the devs make that decision, then, obviously, using it would become using something intended, rather than exploiting something unintended. Duh. Is that supposed to be a hard question? But that has not happened. Using it is cheating.

I hope that's not the solution they choose, simply because I don't think the game needs all that extra power creep, but if they did, then at least it would be some solution so we would not have the power gap between players playing fairly and the cheaters, which would be an improvement over the current situation, where honest players are at a disadvantage compared to the cheaters.

So by this logic, one could say that the fact the devs know about for over a year and decided it’s not a priority…one could conceive this as one and the same.

Did you happen to use sonic blast on any caster in the past? I am certain you did if you played any caster. So the spell never functioned like the tool tip. And by your definition of cheating, you should have deleted the spell and picked an inferior one.

Stop your crusade. The devs know…they don’t care…because it’s not game breaking. It is not like peopl are insta killing raid bosses…Oh wait they are.

[Fisto_Mk_I]

Knowingly and deliberately exploiting something that is non-WAI to gain an unintended advantage most certainly is cheating. It's pretty much the definition of cheating in a game like this.

I am not at all interested in your personal preferences or definitions of a particular phenomenon, especially based on such a vague concept as "most likely/most certainly." Only the definition from the developers should have weight.

Multiple statements have been provided in the past.

Oh, so it shouldn't be difficult for you to give proof of this? All right, I'm waiting. We all waiting.

Do your own research. I suggest starting with the release notes from when Minor Artifacts were first introduced.

No-no-no, David Blaine, it doesn't work like that! I will not spend a second of invaluable life in order to fruitlessly search for evidence or refutation of your fantasies.
You put forward a sentiment - you have the burden of evidence. This is the scientific approach based on the principle of scientific positivism.
So, where your proof?

If the devs make that decision, then, obviously, using it would become using something intended, rather than exploiting something unintended. Duh. Is that supposed to be a hard question?

Wonderful! Now stop calling players deceivers only because they use the features of the use of some in-game items that were originally unplanned by the developers, but not forbidden by them.

But that has not happened. Using it is cheating.

Do not try to give your personal, very poorly grounded opinion for the words of the developers.

I hope that's not the solution they choose, simply because I don't think the game needs all that extra power creep, but if they did, then at least it would be some solution so we would not have the power gap between players playing fairly and the cheaters, which would be an improvement over the current situation, where honest players are at a disadvantage compared to the cheaters.

Again, stop calling players deceivers only because they use the features of the use of some in-game items that were originally unplanned by the developers, but not forbidden by them. You personally don't use it before? This is your personal choice, do not shift its consequences to others!