U57 Preview 2 Hit Point Pass

[Torc]

Hey this is an update to the hit point pass for Lammania preview 2. It's more buffy and less nerfy to people who are really on the high end, has some fighter perks in it.

A Quick Overview Part 2:

• Epic Defensive Fighting is going away. We are replacing it with many other options.
• Replacement Competence bonuses have been spread around the trees mostly in T5 of melee focused trees. (new T4 in Occult Slayer)
• Heroic Durability will now give a passive hit point bonus scaled off your class level and how many combat style feats you have (up to 4)
  
  Changes from Preview 1
  
• In regards to this pass we won't be touching destinies so disregard preview 1's statements about unyielding or fury
• Competence bonuses in certain trees got upped, a few bonuses moved to different enhancements. New enhancement in Occult Slayer.
• Some Fighter love occurred (Enhancement section & bottom of the post)
• Adjustment to Stout of Heart and Animal Domain is slightly more mild

HP PASS:

Part 1 - Grant HP for investing in melee feats magnified by class picks.

-Heroic Durability updated:

Heroic Durability - +30 Hit Points. In addition, for every melee combat style feat you take you gain a 25% bonus to the hit points gained from your class levels. Epic and Legendary levels count at half value. This bonus can only stack up to 100%.


-Boosting the Base Hit Die of certain classes:

To keep the delta between a wizard and a barbarian tighter we shift the class dice around a little.

-All Classes with a Hit Die of d4 is increased to D6.

-Bard, Arty and Rogue are increased to D8s

-Ranger increased to D10s

Note there was some confusion about epic/legendary levels changing HD value. They are still going to give 10 hit points a level it's just the combat style bonus of heroic durability treats them at half value.

Part 2 - Melee enhancement trees Competence hit point bonuses

So the 2nd pass pretty much breaks the trees into three categories

Primary melees who get 25% (the tank trees got increased to)
Caster/Range Melee Hybrids who only get 20% though you can still splash into fighter/paladin/bear and now now occult slayer
Nuker Melee Hybrids who get only 15% (again they can still splash)

Alchemist
T5 - Chemical Weapon gets multi selector called Chemical Body - grants 15% comp bonus to hit points and 10 melee power.

Artificer
T5 - Battle Engineer - Reconstructed Arms & Edges grant a +20% competence bonus to hit points in addition to their original bonuses.
T5- Regenade Mastermaker - MasterMaker - You gain a 20% competence bonus to max hit points in addition to it's original effect.

Barbarians
T5 - Ravager - Uncanny Balance gains +25% competence bonus to hit points in addition to it's original bonuses.
T5 - Frenzied Berserker Healing or Hurt: Either of these enhancements selected grant a +25% competence bonus to hit points in addition to it's original bonuses.
T4 - Occult Slayer - Rune Carved Armor - 2 AP You gain a +25% competence bonus to max hit points and +2 to all saves vs magic while wearing medium or heavy armor.


Bards
T5 - Swash Buckler - Second Skin, AP cost reduced to 1. Updated to: +1/2/3 Reflex Saves, +2/4/6 Max Dex Bonus to Armor. Rank 3 grants a +20% competence bonus to hit points.
T4 - On the Mark: AP cost reduced to 1 per rank
T5 - WarChanter - Howl of the North will now also grant a 20% competence bonus to hit points in addition to it's original bonuses.

Cleric
T5 - Warrior Priest - Divine bastion - Gain 20% competence bonus to hit points in addition to it's original bonuses.
Core 4 - Warrior Priest - Warcasting - Sacred hit point back up to 10%. (so reverted change from preview 1)
Class Feat - Cleric Animal Domain hit point bonus reduced to 4 hit points per level (net: 128 by level 32)
Divine Bastion Updated: No longer increases threat but grants a 20% competence bonus to hit points in addition to it's original bonuses.

Druid
Core 4 - Nature's Warrior - Howl of Winter now grants a passive 5% primal bonus to max hit points in additional to it's previous effects.
T3,4,5 - Nature's Protector - Ursa line's restriction updated to be usable by druids in bear form either using shield or wearing medium or heavier armor.

Favored Soul
Class Feat - Stout of Heart Changed reduced to : 4 hit points per level (net: 128 by level 32)
Divine Champion: Updated: No longer increases threat but grants 20% competence bonus to hit points in addition to it's original bonuses.

Fighter
T5 Kensai- Weapon Master - Grants 25% competence bonus to hit points if a melee weapon focus was selected in core 1 in addition to it's original bonuses.
T5 Stalwart Thick of Battle replaced with a flat passive 100% threat bonus & grants 60 hit points
T5 - Against the Odds grants 60 hit points in addition to it's original effect
Core 4 Stalwart - Stand Fast - grants a 10% quality bonus to hit points in addition to it's original effect
T5 Block and Cut: Updated - Perform a melee attack with your main hand weapon, 2/4/6 W On Damage gain a 10/15/25% morale bonus to double strike and a 10/15/25 bonus to armor class for 5 seconds. Cooldown 10 seconds.
T3 Stalwart Defensive Stance increased to a 25% competence bonus at rank 3.
T5 Vanguard - Brutal Impact - Grants 25% competence bonus to hit points in addition to it's original bonuses.

Monk
new T5 for Henshin Mystic & Ninja Spy - Self Defense - Grants +5 MRR, MRR Cap and 25% competence bonus to Hit Points
T5 Shintao - Meditation of War reverted to it's previous state (so as it is on live)
T5 - Shintao - Empty Hand Mastery - gets 25% competence bonus to Hit Points in addition to it's original effects

Ranger
T5 - Tempest- Dual Perfection grants a 25% competence bonus to hit points in addition to it's original bonuses.

Rogue
T5 Assassin Light Armor Mastery Rank 3 - Grants a 25% competence bonus to hit points in addition to it's original bonuses.
T5 - Acrobat- Staff Specialist - Grants 25% competence bonus to hit points in addition to it's original bonuses.

Paladin
T5 - KOTC - Vigor of Life grants 25% competence bonus to hit points
T5 Vanguard - Brutal Impact - Grants 25% competence bonus to hit points in addition to it's original bonuses.
T5 Sacred Fist - Divine Strike renamed Divine Striker, grants a 25% competence bonus to hit points in addition to it's original effects.
T3 - Tenacious Defense upped to 25% like fighter

Sorc/Wiz
As in preview 1.

Knight's Transformation Updated: While this toggle is active your base attack bonus is increased to equal your character level. When you successfully hit with an Eldritch Strike you gain Knight's Strike: +30 universal spell power and +3% Critical Spell Damage for 30 seconds.

Improved Knight's Transformation Updated: While Knight's transformation is active you gain a +1 comp bonus to your weapons crit multipler. When your Eldritch Strike hits you gain the additional bonuses to your Knight's Strike of +3 to Hit, Damage and 3% double strike. Passive Bonus: You gain 15% competence bonus to Max Hit Points (regardless if the toggle is on or not)

Knight's Striker: Knight's Strike gains +2 Evocation and Conjuration DCs and +20 melee power. Passive: You gain mobile spell casting.
Knight's Controller: Knight's Strike gains +2 Enchantment DCs, +2 Illusion DCS, +4 Spell Penetration and +20 Melee Power. Passive: You gain mobile spell casting.

Warlock
(No Updates to enhancement trees. Warlock enlightened spirit already has a comp bonus in their tree).

Falconry
T5- Dangerous- changes and get a multi selector option called Swift. Dangerous: +10 melee power, +25% competence bonus to hit points. Swift: +3 reflex saves, 10 ranged power.

Vistani
New Enhancement called Grudge Bearer, Multi selector off of Whirling Blades, grants +25% competence bonus to hit points for 2 AP.

New Fighter Perk

Second Wind Auto granted for fighter level 2. Active this ability to regain 50% of your max hit points. 15 second cool down. You can used this once per rest, with an additional charges gained at Fighter levels 4, 8, 12, 16, 20. This can be used while Crowd Controlled. At level 8 Second Wind removes negative effects like the Panacea spell.


Additional Follow Up:

Improved Natural Fighting: Wolf form competence bonus increased from 15% to 20%.

Epic Defensive Fighting: Will be removed from the game. (still)

[drewollice]

BUG: Rogue hit dice not increased.

rolled 1 rogue on orien and 1 rogue on lamania. Both matching feats and con. same hp.

i took lvl 2 on both and same hp still.

so the d6 -> d8 doesnt seem to be in effect at least for rogues.

EDIT: those 2 toons were both drow.
i just rolled 2 shadarkai with matching stats and the +2 hp is showing as expected.
will test more.

[Stravix]

A lot of the holes in coverage seems to have been closed up nicely in this pass, and I personally love the Second Wind feature, even if it will just be a panacea in reaper content.

Overall, this has shaped up nicely, IMO.

[Zer0AcmE]

Why was Paladin SD overlooked?

[Stravix]

Why was Paladin SD overlooked?

Guessing a typo, since StD in fighter had it's HP buffed.

[Black_Ninja]

New Fighter Perk

Second Wind Auto granted for fighter level 2. Active this ability to regain 50% of your max hit points. 15 second cool down. You can used this once per rest, with an additional charges gained at Fighter levels 4, 8, 12, 16, 20. This can be used while Crowd Controlled. At level 8 Second Wind removes negative effects like the Panacea spell.

This looks really cool! Will this be "Healing" and therefore affected by Hamp/Reaper penalties, or is it just a straight up 50% hp regained regardless of bonuses/penalties/what you are healed by?

[Kielbasa]

Looks like an improvement from preview 1 nice job.

[BigSlugger]

Why was Paladin SD overlooked?

Sacred Defender already has a competence bonus to HP, but if you feel like it's still missing something don't hesitate to suggest it, devs do actually read these threads.

[TPICKRELL]

This is much better than preview 1, thank you.

[rabidfox]

Why was Paladin SD overlooked?

The extra 5% is there, just looks like it got missed in the notes.

[Zer0AcmE]

Sacred Defender already has a competence bonus to HP, but if you feel like it's still missing something don't hesitate to suggest it, devs do actually read these threads.

It's been updated...

[Stravix]

Apparently its on Lama but just missed int he notes here...

That being said, I don't like that Fighter now gets 10% Quality HP in tier 4 (only 4 levels required) while Paladin gets stuck with 10% Sacred in Core 4 (18 levels requried and robbing it of truely bennifiting from being Aasimar race)

Paladin should have it adjusted to Quality/tier 4 as well.

Note says that fighter gets it in Core 4, is it in T4 instead?

That said, I can see the whole aasimar/pally anti-synergy as a bad thing, but to be fair, they have mechanically had a bunch of overlap for forever, no?

[Cashiry]

Fighter
T3 Stalwart Defensive Stance increased to a 25% competence bonus at rank 3.



Paladin
T5 - KOTC - Vigor of Life grants 25% competence bonus to hit points
T5 Vanguard - Brutal Impact - Grants 25% competence bonus to hit points in addition to it's original bonuses.
T5 Sacred Fist - Divine Strike renamed Divine Striker, grants a 25% competence bonus to hit points in addition to it's original effects.
(still)

So Why does Paladin Sacred Defender not get a 25% bonus when Fighter Stalwart Defense does?

[Talnar00]

So Why does Paladin Sacred Defender not get a 25% bonus when Fighter Stalwart Defense does?[/INDENT]

The extra 5% is there, just looks like it got missed in the notes.

Just was missed in the notes.

[Zeklijan]

Alchemist
T5 - Chemical Weapon gets multi selector called Chemical Body - grants 15% comp bonus to hit points and 10 melee power.

Artificer
T5 - Battle Engineer - Reconstructed Arms & Edges grant a +20% competence bonus to hit points in addition to their original bonuses.
T5- Regenade Mastermaker - MasterMaker - You gain a 20% competence bonus to max hit points in addition to it's original effect.


Sorc/Wiz
As in preview 1.

Knight's Transformation Updated: While this toggle is active your base attack bonus is increased to equal your character level. When you successfully hit with an Eldritch Strike you gain Knight's Strike: +30 universal spell power and +3% Critical Spell Damage for 30 seconds.

Improved Knight's Transformation Updated: While Knight's transformation is active you gain a +1 comp bonus to your weapons crit multipler. When your Eldritch Strike hits you gain the additional bonuses to your Knight's Strike of +3 to Hit, Damage and 3% double strike. Passive Bonus: You gain 15% competence bonus to Max Hit Points (regardless if the toggle is on or not)

Knight's Striker: Knight's Strike gains +2 Evocation and Conjuration DCs and +20 melee power. Passive: You gain mobile spell casting.
Knight's Controller: Knight's Strike gains +2 Enchantment DCs, +2 Illusion DCS, +4 Spell Penetration and +20 Melee Power. Passive: You gain mobile spell casting.

I'm very confused why Vile Chemists are getting 15% competence. Alchemists, bards, artificers are all 6th level spells casters. Why is alchemist getting lower competence HP than the other 6th level casters?

I'm not sold on the idea that wizards/sorcs should get 15% either, but as 9th level spellcasters I kinda get it. Alchemists though, not so much.

Druid
Core 4 - Nature's Warrior - Howl of Winter now grants a passive 5% primal bonus to max hit points in additional to it's previous effects.
T3,4,5 - Nature's Protector - Ursa line's restriction updated to be usable by druids in bear form either using shield or wearing medium or heavier armor.

I believe Howl of Winter is core 5? Are they getting the 5% primal at level 12 or 18?

[Xgya]

Small curiosity about Fighter Second Wind: does it scale in any way?
It scaling off the character's highest Amp (so, repair, positive or negative) would probably make a lick of sense.

If it DOESN'T scale, can you mayhaps think it won't scale at all ever? (so no Healing Amp, but reaper/champion/mummy curse/cursed wound penalties also stay at the door?)

[Torc]

Why was Paladin SD overlooked?

It was just missing from the notes, but it should be 25% on Lammania right now.

[Pandjed]

New Fighter Perk

Second Wind Auto granted for fighter level 2. Active this ability to regain 50% of your max hit points. 15 second cool down. You can used this once per rest, with an additional charges gained at Fighter levels 4, 8, 12, 16, 20. This can be used while Crowd Controlled. At level 8 Second Wind removes negative effects like the Panacea spell.

A big fat THANK YOU!

[Zer0AcmE]

Yeah they just WAY over powered Fighter compared to Paladin.

Guess they forgot that Fighter already gets all the extra Feats to balance it out, now they get extra HP and self healing.

Paladin needs more HP/feats or something to balance it...

Paladins also needs Last Stand, Eternal Defender is garbage.

[Zer0AcmE]

Bug: new barb 25% from Occult Slayer tree not applying to WF/BF with adamantine body feat.