Should there be a code of conduct for streamers directly supported by SSG?

[slarden]

Should there be a code of conduct for streamers that are directly supported by SSG, for example:

- Receiving free content
- Given point codes to pass out
- SSG staff appear on the stream
- The stream is promoted or mentioned by SSG staff

I am all for free speech and don't honestly care if people use their platform to attack players in the community, but I don't think these streams should be supported by SSG.

Examples I've witnessed by streamers supported by SSG:
1) Streamer calling out a pug player in their party for being terrible when the name is directly visible to viewers
2) Streamer calling out specific forum posts on their stream

These type of activities can easily be viewed as online bullying and invite viewers to harass that community member. I am not talking about general comments such as "the forums are toxic". I am talking only about calling out community members by either showing their name or directing viewers to a specific post/thread even if the name isn't mentioned directly. I am also talking about making negative statements about specific players where there name is visible on screen as a party member or the streamer is trying to defame someone in the game.

Please do not mention specific examples from streamers or use the name of streamers or players. This thread is not intended to attack any streamers and in general I think it's entirely possible some streamers engaging in this activity do not fully understand the ramifications of what they are doing - after all - all streamers are relatively new to streaming.

Again, I am all for free speech- if streamers want to attack community members within twitch or other service rules - hey it is what it is and I don't care. But if SSG directly supports the streamer, should there be a code of conduct so streamers know what lines not to cross?

[Culver.Civello]

Should there be a code of conduct for streamers that are directly supported by SSG, for example:

- Receiving free content
- Given point codes to pass out
- SSG staff appear on the stream
- The stream is promoted or mentioned by SSG staff

I am all for free speech and don't honestly care if people use their platform to attack players in the community, but I don't think these streams should be supported by SSG.

Examples I've witnessed by streamers supported by SSG:
1) Streamer calling out a pug player in their party for being terrible when the name is directly visible to viewers
2) Streamer calling out specific forum posts on their stream

These type of activities can easily be viewed as online bullying and invite viewers to harass that community member. I am not talking about general comments such as "the forums are toxic". I am talking only about calling out community members by either showing their name or directly viewers to a specific post/thread even if the name isn't mentioned directly. I am also talking about making negative statements about specific players where there name is visible on screen as a party member or the streamer is trying to defame someone in the game.

Please do not mention specific examples from streamers or use the name of streamers or players. This thread is not intended to attack any streamers and in general I think it's entirely possible some streamers engaging in this activity do not fully understand the ramifications of what they are doing - after all - all streamers are relatively new to streaming.

Again, I am all for free speech- if streamers want to attack community members within twitch or other service rules - hey it is what it is and I don't care. But if SSG directly supports the streamer, should their be a code of conduct so streamers know what lines not to cross?

I really wish I didn't know what this was about.


*sigh*

inb4 /close

[Tanky]

SSG support of streamers is already laughable.

If you don't like a streamer's content, then stop watching it.

[Michaelaz2]

Should there be a code of conduct for streamers that are directly supported by SSG, for example:

- Receiving free content
- Given point codes to pass out
- SSG staff appear on the stream
- The stream is promoted or mentioned by SSG staff

I am all for free speech and don't honestly care if people use their platform to attack players in the community, but I don't think these streams should be supported by SSG.

Examples I've witnessed by streamers supported by SSG:
1) Streamer calling out a pug player in their party for being terrible when the name is directly visible to viewers
2) Streamer calling out specific forum posts on their stream

These type of activities can easily be viewed as online bullying and invite viewers to harass that community member. I am not talking about general comments such as "the forums are toxic". I am talking only about calling out community members by either showing their name or directly viewers to a specific post/thread even if the name isn't mentioned directly. I am also talking about making negative statements about specific players where there name is visible on screen as a party member or the streamer is trying to defame someone in the game.

Please do not mention specific examples from streamers or use the name of streamers or players. This thread is not intended to attack any streamers and in general I think it's entirely possible some streamers engaging in this activity do not fully understand the ramifications of what they are doing - after all - all streamers are relatively new to streaming.

Again, I am all for free speech- if streamers want to attack community members within twitch or other service rules - hey it is what it is and I don't care. But if SSG directly supports the streamer, should their be a code of conduct so streamers know what lines not to cross?

/NOT Signed - Free speech , They cant even fix typos without them breaking the game and you expect this ?

[slarden]

inb4 /close

It would be a shame if this thread was closed because it doesn't violate any rules, isn't directed at anyone specifically, and is a serious topic that SSG needs to consider.

I specifically asked to avoid people and stick to the topic.

[Michaelaz2]

ssg support of streamers is already laughable.

If you don't like a streamer's content, then stop watching it.

^^^^^^^^^^^^ this

[superevbully]

My only question is where is the thread created last night on this topic ?...............yeah total rubbish ...hes a grown man why protect his childish conduct last night utter joke

[LightBear]

Well, youtube has a code of conduct for advertisements and or product placement.
I don't spend a lot of time on twitch, so can't comment on that.

I don't want to open the hole of what "paid" means but it does include "in kind" for such activities.

As far as calling out players, it isn't always the streamer itself that is the culprit.
And if you think some streamer is conducting dubious activities you could always report him/her/them to the platform and/or DDO.

Same as reporting a post right here on the forums, right?

Things have not been so heated on here as of late, or I have learned myself to auto skip some threads based on their title.

[GeneralDiomedes]

I take 100% responsibility for what I write on the forums. If that makes stream fodder for somebody, so be it.

[Stoner81]

All streamers should have a code of conduct regardless of if they are supported by SSG or not. Life is hard enough without being nasty to each other.

Stoner81.

[cru121]

PM pls about the source of the drama.

SSG obviously shouldn't advertise toxic streamers.

[slarden]

PM pls about the source of the drama.

SSG obviously shouldn't advertise toxic streamers.

There is no drama here and I hope none is added to this thread. It's just a general question - not about any specific streamer or scenario. I only watch streamers when I am doing something mindless and there isn't something else I want to watch, but have witnessed a few examples that I listed and thought perhaps a code of conduct would help streamers understand the boundaries to receive support from SSG.

I think streaming is good for the game and community, but I don't think SSG should support streamers that use their platform to harass community members. After all that money directed towards streamers is coming directly from community purchases.

I am curious what the rest of the community thinks.

[dogsoldier]

Here are some Youtube Videos that I have found helpful from another one of the Streamers. I cannot find the one where I saw the bit about the stacking universal critical chance from different types of epic spell power feats, but that was not obvious to me when Update 51 came out with buffs for some of the Epic Feats.

Voodu, if you are out there, FYI, Season 4 of Hardcore I only got to about 4800 Favor with your Warlock Tank build. I survived on that character, but was having a hard time finding trappers that season because everyone else had the same idea with running Tanks. Probably could have just run through the traps, but I am accustomed to tanking traps via Evasion, so I didn't want to try tanking them just by temp HP and layered defenses without more experience doing that. Oh, and I was the Warlock that had to stop when I found you in game and show off my ML16, Zero Arcane Spell Failure, Blue Augment Slot, Crafted Mithril Heavy Shield, if you remember that.

My 15/3/2 Bard Warchanter made it to 5k season 4, mostly just because everyone wanted a trapper that season.

Solo Raids:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k11yhaJBx0Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVdAXP5_Z_Q

Interesting Tank builds:

Warlock Tank Thread:
https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showth...mpanion-thread

Druid Caster / Healer Quasi-Tank Build: Voodo
https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showth...asi-tank-build

[sgbyou]

What streamers have been harassing community members?

[Culver.Civello]

What streamers have been harassing community members?

None. People just make of a situation what they want.

[jskinner937]

There is no drama here and I hope none is added to this thread. It's just a general question - not about any specific streamer or scenario. I only watch streamers when I am doing something mindless and there isn't something else I want to watch, but have witnessed a few examples that I listed and thought perhaps a code of conduct would help streamers understand the boundaries to receive support from SSG.

I think streaming is good for the game and community, but I don't think SSG should support streamers that use their platform to harass community members. After all that money directed towards streamers is coming directly from community purchases.

I am curious what the rest of the community thinks.

I agree overall Slarden. A streamer/influencer, especially endorsed, falls under the same category as a politician. They are expected to act more professional than the masses and not take things so personal. When a politician does act silly, more negative press is a result. No company should expose themselves to this liability. Afterall, if they are giving previews, giveaways, spot light articles to a streamer, they should have a say so.

[Kalari]

I wasn't gonna bother with this thread because it really is sad that people refuse to appreciate the amount of game promotion and care that is put into streaming. I say this as a former promotions person for Turbine the fact that this game still garners interest is because people take the time to show case and talk to folks while playing ddo. I know some on here do not understand this and that is fine, but to act like streaming the content does not have a positive benefit is weird. Another thing to accuse someone of bullying because they read your public post when you clearly called them out by name is an unfair way to try to paint yourself as a victim of something. You are not being bullied if you say this person is ruining the game because they made a career off doing something you don't like. And the person who was called out was very polite in reading the mean things said about them and asked viewers not to even get involved but my old behind is not gonna let you all act like you didn't make threads accusing the streamer of things they couldn't possibly have done. I don't like actual bullies and threads like this where you know you are attacking folks just having fun and helping the game via visual content then making a literal thread calling them out by name. But oh no don't dare have them read the call out then you are the victim...no flipping way.

Also I have asked several times for some form of Twitch tie in but apparently was informed that the API would not allow such things. So at best all we can do for the game is give them as much promotion as our channels/social media will allow. All in all this is indie work for little thanks and now we can add salty forum people upset at the game taking pot shots at what we do to the mix. I have to remind myself constantly that DDO is a nicer community than the forums showcases its why so many of us have over fifteen years of play time. But the amount of toxic attacks on anything you all don't understand is troublesome.

Seriously stop calling out streamers then acting like you have done nothing wrong. And also streamers do not impact or influence nerfs or game development changes. The fact that I have to tell grown people this is ridiculous. The only people who get to call the shots in gaming development are the actual developers of the game. Trust me I have an ego the size of Texas and I have never once believed anything I remotely suggest make it into the game. So to accuse any one streamer of such is silly. I just can't understand the level of unnecessary nasty attitudes you all give to people keeping interest in our game alive. But once again got to remind myself the toxic of this board is not indicative of the general community.

[ghale]

Should there be a code of conduct for streamers that are directly supported by SSG, for example:

- Receiving free content
- Given point codes to pass out
- SSG staff appear on the stream
- The stream is promoted or mentioned by SSG staff

I am all for free speech and don't honestly care if people use their platform to attack players in the community, but I don't think these streams should be supported by SSG.

Examples I've witnessed by streamers supported by SSG:
1) Streamer calling out a pug player in their party for being terrible when the name is directly visible to viewers
2) Streamer calling out specific forum posts on their stream

These type of activities can easily be viewed as online bullying and invite viewers to harass that community member. I am not talking about general comments such as "the forums are toxic". I am talking only about calling out community members by either showing their name or directing viewers to a specific post/thread even if the name isn't mentioned directly. I am also talking about making negative statements about specific players where there name is visible on screen as a party member or the streamer is trying to defame someone in the game.

Please do not mention specific examples from streamers or use the name of streamers or players. This thread is not intended to attack any streamers and in general I think it's entirely possible some streamers engaging in this activity do not fully understand the ramifications of what they are doing - after all - all streamers are relatively new to streaming.

Again, I am all for free speech- if streamers want to attack community members within twitch or other service rules - hey it is what it is and I don't care. But if SSG directly supports the streamer, should there be a code of conduct so streamers know what lines not to cross?

At least a couple of streamers are just heroic scrubs and offer nothing for end-game/reaper contribution. What does their insult of a player even mean?

[dogsoldier]

None. People just make of a situation what they want.

A certain swiftly deleted forum thread from last night when the topic came up would seem to indicate otherwise, but I don't know, I don't watch any Livestream stuff, just YouTube videos here and there.

[OfElectricMen]

If they are directly supported by the company, they should be subject to the same restrictions on behavior and speech as the employees of the company.

It's not a matter of free speech (which doesn't apply to most of what a bunch of you think it does). It's a matter of company rules, and what's best for business.