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    Default BUILD REQUEST: 2022 Dagger Thrower Leveling Guide for 11 Rog/6 Rgr/3 Bard

    I have gone through this thread (and a BUNCH of other ones). I keep seeing references to coming across "the" 11 rogue/6 ranger/3 bard build, but have been unable to find a leveling guide. Plenty of references to the order not being a big deal, but a list of the feats that should be taken. I appreciate all of that information, but am a little new to DDO. I also know that it is not a great build, but have already gotten the Visanti Enh Tree.
    Soooooo . . . would REALLY appreciate it if someone could put together a leveling guide. I keep coming across references that have back and forth comments, such as taking SWF prior to getting TWF at Ranger 2. Some reference to it benefitting part of the Bard enhancements. This is why I am hoping for some help.

    Would like to go Drow (not Halfling, though I understand why that is suggested), Vistani capstone with DWS for Sniper Shot and SWB. This would be for a 28 pt build. Also, weapon suggestions that are really good for certain level ranges would be appreciated.

    This forum's mass experience and wisdom would be hugely helpful and MUCH APPRECIATED.

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    Alternately, if anyone could link a build that they were able to find of this type of character, that would be super appreciated as well.

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    Reverse-engineering a basic build is not that hard. This presumes you have Vistani Knife Fighter and either Harper Agent or Horizon Walker so you can pick up a Battle Trance. I'll use drow but any +DEX race would work fine. My preferred builder hasn't been updated for level 32 yet so you'll have to figure out the last two levels on your own.
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    Drow Vistani Thrower
    11/6/3 Rogue/Ranger/Bard
    Drow
    
    Level Order
    
    1. Rogue           6. Ranger         11. Rogue          16. Rogue
    2. Bard            7. Ranger         12. Rogue          17. Rogue
    3. Bard            8. Ranger         13. Rogue          18. Rogue
    4. Bard            9. Ranger         14. Rogue          19. Rogue
    5. Ranger         10. Ranger         15. Rogue          20. Rogue
    
    
    Stats
                   28pt     Level Up
                   ----     --------
    Strength         8       4: DEX
    Dexterity       20       8: DEX
    Constitution    12      12: DEX
    Intelligence    16      16: DEX
    Wisdom           8      20: DEX
    Charisma        10      24: DEX
                            28: DEX
    
    Feats
    
     1        : Point Blank Shot
     3        : Simple Thrown Expertise
     6        : Precision
     9        : Multitude of Missiles
    12        : Improved Critical: Thrown
    15        : Improved Precise Shot
    18        : Luck of Heroes
    21 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
    22 Destiny: Holy Strike OR Pierce Damage Reduction: Silver
    24 Epic   : Combat Archery
    25 Destiny: Doubleshot
    27 Epic   : Watchful Eye
    28 Destiny: Embodiment of Law OR Harbinger of Chaos
    30 Epic   : Epic Damage Reduction
    30 Legend : Scion of: Ethereal Plane
    
    19 Rogue  : Opportunist OR Improved Evasion
    
     5 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Construct
     9 Ranger : Favored Enemy: Giant
    In terms of Enhancements, the must-haves IMO are:

    • 11 APs Deepwood Stalker for Ranged Power Boost + Sniper Shot
    • 11 APs Swashbuckler for Swashbuckling, Doubleshot Boost, and Dashing Scoundrel
    • 11 APs Vistani Knife Fighter for free Quick Draw, Rapid Throw (+20% Doubleshot), Haste Boost, and +5% Doubleshot
    • 6-13 APs reserved for either Know the Angles or No Step Missed

    Don't forget to grab DEX to thrown damage from somewhere like Improved Weapon Finesse or Swift Strikes. So the exact leveling order is up to you but it will be something like this thru level 8:

    Leveling Guide
    1. Vis0 Knife Expertise; Vis1 Rapid Slash
    2. Vis1 Mist Stalker; Vis2 Haste Boost I, II, III
    3. Vis0 Knife Juggler; Swa0 Confidence; Swa1 On Your Toes I; Swa1 Blow By Blow: Range I
    4. Swa1 Blow By Blow: Range II, III; Swa0 Swashbuckling
    5. DS0 Far Shot; DS1 Stealthy I, II, III; Vis1 Undead Hunter
    6. Vis0 Quick Reflexes; DS1 Favored Defense I; DS2 Improved Weapon Finesse; DS2 Melee/Range Power Boost I
    7. DS2 Melee/Range Power Boost II, III; Swa2 Double Shot Boost I
    8. DS0 Sneak Attack; Swa2 Double Shot Boost II; Swa3 Dashing Scoundrel


    Beyond that, you'll need to decide if you're going for tier-5 Deepwood Stalker or the Vistani capstone, because you don't have enough APs for both:
    • T5 DWS: +20% Doubleshot, Improved Archer's Focus, Heavy Draw, extra Favored Enemy
    • VKF cap: +5% attack speed, +20 Ranged Power

    You asked for Vistani capstone so let's go with that.
    Code:
    Enhancements (Spent: 80 +0r +1u / Max: 80 +0r +1u AP)
    
    
    Vistani Knife Fighter (41 AP)
    
    • Knife Expertise, Knife Juggler, Quick Reflexes, One With Blades, Vistani Fortune, Blade Master
      1. Vistani Knife Training I, Undead Hunter, Mist Stalker, Rapid Slash
      2. Vistani Knife Training II, Bleeding Cuts, Mist Stalker II, Weapon Versatility, Haste Boost III
      3. Vistani Knife Training III, Fan of Knives, Mist Stalker III, Deadly Blades
      4. Celerity, Mist Stalker IV
      5. Whirling Blades, Mist Stalker V, Blessed Blades, Vendetta
    Horizon Walker (15 AP)
    • Mark Target, Improved Marking, Greater Marking
      1. Eye for Accuracy III, Skills I
      2. Protection from Evil and Good III, Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
      3. No Step Missed III, Hunter's Focus
    Deepwood Stalker (11 AP)
    • Far Shot, Sneak Attack, Called Shot: Sniper Shot
      1. Favored Defense I, Stealthy III
      2. Improved Weapon Finesse, Action Boost: Melee/Range Power Boost III
    Swashbuckler (11 AP)
    • Confidence, Swashbuckling
      1. On Your Toes I, Blow By Blow: Range III
      2. Action Boost: Double Shot Boost II
      3. Swashbuckling Style: Dashing Scoundrel
    Thief-Acrobat (3 AP)
    • Staff Control
      1. Fast Movement
    Epic Destinies: you'll definitely want Shiradi as your primary ED. Secondary ED(s) are up to you; I went with Shadowdancer.
    Destinies (Spent: 52 (40 +12pdp) / Max: 52 (40 +12pdp) AP)


    Shiradi Champion (35 AP)
    • Fey Favor, Vision, Audience with the Queen
      1. Prism, Good Luck III, Shiradi Strike: Hunt's End
      2. Stay: Stay Good, Phase Double III, Shiradi Power: Pin
      3. Double Rainbow, Pierce Deception, Improve Shiradi Power: Otto's Whistler, Fey Force: Fey Force
      4. Fey Form, Track, Enemy of my Own, Overwelming Force: Overwhelming Force, Whirling Wrists III
      5. Stay II: Stay Still, Lore of the Hunt, Epic Moment: Inexorable Advance


    Shadowdancer (17 AP)
    • Shadow Training, Step Through Shadow, The Darkest Luck
      1. Cover of Darkness III, Technician I
      2. Dance in the Dark III, Epic Strike: Shadowstrike (ranged)
      3. Grim Precision III, Shadowcaster: Shadowstriker
    Last edited by unbongwah; 09-23-2022 at 12:59 PM.
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