Just thought of a really evil form of HCL

[fatherpirate]

I think I have found the simplest,
but one of the most challenging test
HCL could do.

Standard HCL rules
Even use the older max cap of +5 over dungeon level
no special monsters
no mimics

only one new rule.

No Class Enhancement Trees.
except
Reaper trees, Racial trees and Universals trees
they are allowed.

Now that would be a challenge.

[Orangine]

I think I have found the simplest,
but one of the most challenging test
HCL could do.

Standard HCL rules
Even use the older max cap of +5 over dungeon level
no special monsters
no mimics

only one new rule.

No Class Enhancement Trees.
except
Reaper trees, Racial trees and Universals trees
they are allowed.

Now that would be a challenge.

I have a better idea.

Standard HCL rules
Even use the older max cap of +32 over dungeon level
no special monsters
no mimics

only one new rule : After each quest completion, you are forced to go through a free lesser reincarnation otherwise you cannot enter another quest.



That would be very challenging because I am sure most players would not have the patience to reach 5k favors.
But is it fun? No

[fatherpirate]

Then there would be the simplest and hardest yet

Standard HCL rules, no special anything

You can not enter a dungeon if your level exceeds the base level.

Have fun.

totally brutal

[Oxarhamar]

I think I have found the simplest,
but one of the most challenging test
HCL could do.

Standard HCL rules
Even use the older max cap of +5 over dungeon level
no special monsters
no mimics

only one new rule.

No Class Enhancement Trees.
except
Reaper trees, Racial trees and Universals trees
they are allowed.

Now that would be a challenge.

Nothing stopping you from playing HC by those rules rn with the added limits of HCL

Good Luck

[Dendrix]

I think I have found the simplest,
but one of the most challenging test
HCL could do.

Standard HCL rules
Even use the older max cap of +5 over dungeon level
no special monsters
no mimics

only one new rule.

No Class Enhancement Trees.
except
Reaper trees, Racial trees and Universals trees
they are allowed.

Now that would be a challenge.

Seriously have you played an inquisitive+harper? Max Int. No challenge at all.

For a challenge all damage should be permenant in a dungeon. No healing at all from any source.
No Shrines.
And player saves are set to 1 to make sure you fail and do take damage.

[fatherpirate]

not a bad combo by the way

redacted, your right OX, good catch.

[Oxarhamar]

not a bad combo by the way

another good one is Fey Ill. / Eld knight - with double buffed force short swords
after lvl 5 it is almost cheating

Can’t use class enhancement your rules

[fatherpirate]

Can’t use class enhancement your rules

fixed it

[Oliphant]

Whenever you die, your whole account gets deleted, brutal

[GeneralDiomedes]

Feel free to first top the leader board with the same restrictions as everyone else.

[fatherpirate]

the real difficulty in coming up with a good challenge
is to know at what point it stops being a challenge
and starts to become 'un-fun'.

that is the real trick.

If they wanted HCL to just be a competition,
it would be easy.

Standard rules, everyone get's >one< character slot.
If that character dies, your done ... your final position is calculated
in that season's contest.

If you personally delete a character, your still in.

[fatherpirate]

never forget, HCL is one thing to players, something else to SSG

HCL is a cash cow for SSG - plain and simple.
HCL to (some) players is a refreshing challenge.
HCL to other players is a threat to their daily raid schedule.

[Drecas]

HCL without any potion vendors or rest shrines.
Mimics are back, as are the hounds.
You can't open quests on normal or hard.
Max level character for a dungeon is base +3.

[Katalissa]

The most evil hardcore would be one where players are equally vulnerable to other players attacks while in dungeon. All AEO spells and effects will affect players just like they do monsters. Your cleave or strikethrough... too close to another player? Oops! They got hit too! Fireball in an enclosed space - yep the party is feeling the burn too! And please don't run through the firewall or into the ice-storm!

[Hanul]

I hope next hc is at least +2 too. Otherwise it would be too easy.

The most evil hardcore would be one where players are equally vulnerable to other players attacks while in dungeon. All AEO spells and effects will affect players just like they do monsters. Your cleave or strikethrough... too close to another player? Oops! They got hit too! Fireball in an enclosed space - yep the party is feeling the burn too! And please don't run through the firewall or into the ice-storm!

That would be great!

[brian14]

The most evil hardcore would be one where players are equally vulnerable to other players attacks while in dungeon. All AEO spells and effects will affect players just like they do monsters. Your cleave or strikethrough... too close to another player? Oops! They got hit too! Fireball in an enclosed space - yep the party is feeling the burn too! And please don't run through the firewall or into the ice-storm!

That will never happen.

First, I may be wrong, but I suspect it is a lot harder to code than it sounds. And second, if devs did succeed in creating a "friendly fire" server, it would be a griefer's paradise. You'll have people joining a party just to kill it. Very soon nobody will group with anyone, except maybe people they know well in RL.

[Oxarhamar]

That will never happen.

First, I may be wrong, but I suspect it is a lot harder to code than it sounds. And second, if devs did succeed in creating a "friendly fire" server, it would be a griefer's paradise. You'll have people joining a party just to kill it. Very soon nobody will group with anyone, except maybe people they know well in RL.

Yep ????

[Hanul]

A hardcore server where you can be level 20 and make all level 1-18 quests makes absolutely no sense. I hope they don't make the mistake to allow it.

That will never happen.

First, I may be wrong, but I suspect it is a lot harder to code than it sounds. And second, if devs did succeed in creating a "friendly fire" server, it would be a griefer's paradise. You'll have people joining a party just to kill it. Very soon nobody will group with anyone, except maybe people they know well in RL.

That would be part of the fun. You just join someone you can trust.

[FengXian]

Yep ????

As if statics needed any more advantages.

[Oxarhamar]

As if statics needed any more advantages.

no shared bank & no multi box that be better for increased challenges

This would make it much more like old school hardcore permadeath