Found a 3rd player benefiting feature of update 56, this one I am sharing

[tsotate]

Yeah 5 levels of fighter gets you access to that T5 kensei enhancement. Sacred Fist can also go for short swords via drow fvs/cleric splash and splash monk for ninja core 1. Or longsword via cleric/fvs splash and the WSS feat. Longsword would probably need a fighter splash since WSS requires weapon focus slashing and paladins already don't have a lot of feat slots to work with.

While all of these would work, they really just get you worse KotC with extra steps. (Whether or not unarmed Sacred Fist is also just worse KotC/monk multiclass is outside the scope of this comment.)

[LightBear]

Not without taking a level of Monk, if you wanted that, may as well take a Cleric or Favored Soul level too, so you can pickup a CHA trance.

Thx for the suggestion and will try it out.

[droid327]

Its probably a case where you're using a bug to workaround a known issue. Of course, they'll probably fix the bug before the issue, and then we're stuck again....

[dogsoldier]

Its probably a case where you're using a bug to workaround a known issue. Of course, they'll probably fix the bug before the issue, and then we're stuck again....

I cannot imagine the devs focusing on anything but the lag situation likely introduced by new features of the bank that people are no doubt using in ways that they had not anticipated right now. They could generate some goodwill, after a hugely unpopular update, by just adding the Archetype option on these three Iconics, and just no longer giving them the option to train with the Iconic trainer, force people to refuse training and go to a regular trainer if they choose the new Archetype.

[Eantarus]

I cannot imagine the devs focusing on anything but the lag situation likely introduced by new features of the bank that people are no doubt using in ways that they had not anticipated right now. They could generate some goodwill, after a hugely unpopular update, by just adding the Archetype option on these three Iconics, and just no longer giving them the option to train with the Iconic trainer, force people to refuse training and go to a regular trainer if they choose the new Archetype.

That would defeat the purpose of Iconics as a "way to get new players a jump-start on the game". Granted, Iconics already fail to do this on every conceivable level, but some guy in the SSG board room is no doubt staunchly defending the ability to auto-level an iconic to 15 as being for this express purpose.

[dogsoldier]

That would defeat the purpose of Iconics as a "way to get new players a jump-start on the game". Granted, Iconics already fail to do this on every conceivable level, but some guy in the SSG board room is no doubt staunchly defending the ability to auto-level an iconic to 15 as being for this express purpose.

Well, they could still do that if they select the default class for it.

I think it is just as likely that SSG could see this as an opportunity to create some buzz around the new Archetypes, and at the same time breathe some new life into some old Iconics.

[cmecu]

I cannot imagine the devs focusing on anything but the lag situation likely introduced by new features of the bank that people are no doubt using in ways that they had not anticipated right now. They could generate some goodwill, after a hugely unpopular update, by just adding the Archetype option on these three Iconics, and just no longer giving them the option to train with the Iconic trainer, force people to refuse training and go to a regular trainer if they choose the new Archetype.

They should had never messed with the bank unless it was to help with bank space issues.. This was kind of a quality of life thing, but its just something that takes time away from working on the things that really need addressed like... fixing bank space issues. They keep adding content, adding, items, but we no longer have space for anything.. it makes no sense.

[cmecu]

Interesting find OP... So i did a little messing around myself.. I thought well maybe you really can push this possible bug NWAI or WAI... I selected dark apostate cleric, then went back and picked a different class like Fighter.. it let me select it, then when it come to the part where you pick the name.. it says GET NOW like you dont have the class. I click on that, store opens, but there is nothing there to buy .. I did the same thing for iconic using dark apostate and tried to pick like trailblazer.. and it did the same thing GET NOW buy from store and nothing there. but when I went back and picked Sun Cleric.. it allowed me to finish the character.. so I have a Sun Cleric Apostate... Thought my charcter was going to explode from the sun and dark mixing lol...

Honestly , I hope its WAI.. it doesnt seem to really affect anything in a negative way because say if you picked a bard , you get the same 3 trees regardless if you were Iconic Bard or just regular level 1 bard.. So being able to pick Storm singer Arch type,, the only thing it changes on iconic bard , is the same exact thing it would change as a level one non-iconic bard..

Now where it would be super broke, is if it did allow what I said in beginning of post.. picking archtype going backward and select some other class.. and that arch type tree be mixed in with a class different from what it was intended for but it wont let you.. GET NOW...

[cmecu]

Now im curious if you can multi class.. well I just found out...


https://imgur.com/a/n2XmYYm

So I am a Bladeforge Sacred First level 1, and also a Cleric Dark Apostate.. I would be a bard too but I cant pick it because of being lawful... Wonder if you did an alignment change..

[misterski]

Now im curious if you can multi class.. well I just found out...


https://imgur.com/a/n2XmYYm

So I am a Bladeforge Sacred First level 1, and also a Cleric Dark Apostate.. I would be a bard too but I cant pick it because of being lawful... Wonder if you did an alignment change..

Nope. Sacred Fist is a Paladin and Paladin requires Lawful Good.

[cmecu]

Nope. Sacred Fist is a Paladin and Paladin requires Lawful Good.

thats why I was asking if you could alignment change out of lawful good after you made the paly. I know people in the past made some builds with like a monk and bard or something weird where they had to use alignment change .. but wasnt sure if I could alignment change from a paly at level 2.. or if it wont let you .. It would probably suck anyway as a sacred fist, dark apostate, Stormsinger anyway.. think everything would clash.. no synergy.

actually it was something like someone use a +1 heart and alignment change.. for some build I seen years ago.. I thought it was with one of the iconics or something..

[cmecu]

From goofing around tonight , I found out something interesting.. So we know you can pick an archtype and go back and pick Iconic like OP said. I tried making a Bladeforge Sacred Fist first 6 levels, then multi class to cleric dark apostate 5 levels... I thought maybe the bladeforge self heal communion of scribing from racial tree.. but you cant use it on yourself if you have shadow shrouding on. Lay of hands works in shadow form.. The biggest issue I found was, if you start as a Bladeforge, you do NOT get Follower of the Path of Light which makes handwraps favored at level 1 .

What was really weird is when I started taking the cleric levels, the deity of bladeforge popped up there and I had to take it for deity pick. The other issue is, not only are you not favored with handwraps as a bladeforge, you also wont get the proficiency. , but when you hit level 6 pally , you do get the divine dream but the requires follower of path of light is red as requirement.

So really no way to make the bladeforge pally work because you dont get Follower of the path of light... So instead I made a Sun Cleric Dark Apostate, then I took multi class to pally, and my first level gave me follow of the path of light.. which is pretty neat because Apostates curse is allowing me to do evil damage with my handwraps while sacred first is allowing me to do fire damage.

But anyway, just goofing around with it,, also dont know if this is already something you can do, but in divine disciple tree I can take emmisary of the light and the dark together.. is that always been like that? first core and last core.. but they both are level 1 cleric requirement.

here is a screenshot of divine disciple light and dark taken.. never took core at both ends before.
https://imgur.com/a/3bnS3of

[dogsoldier]

I did post a SWF dagger build for Sacred Fist blade forged in the Paladin forum, fyi. Vistani allows centered with a dagger. Cannot be favored until 23 with Divine Crusader, but you could ignore that line, just go 23 AP sacred fist, and T5 + capstone Vistani.

[Oxarhamar]

They should had never messed with the bank unless it was to help with bank space issues.. This was kind of a quality of life thing, but its just something that takes time away from working on the things that really need addressed like... fixing bank space issues. They keep adding content, adding, items, but we no longer have space for anything.. it makes no sense.

Supposedly the change is for space we just haven’t gotten that far yet

[misterski]

From goofing around tonight , I found out something interesting.. So we know you can pick an archtype and go back and pick Iconic like OP said. I tried making a Bladeforge Sacred Fist first 6 levels, then multi class to cleric dark apostate 5 levels... I thought maybe the bladeforge self heal communion of scribing from racial tree.. but you cant use it on yourself if you have shadow shrouding on. Lay of hands works in shadow form.. The biggest issue I found was, if you start as a Bladeforge, you do NOT get Follower of the Path of Light which makes handwraps favored at level 1 .

What was really weird is when I started taking the cleric levels, the deity of bladeforge popped up there and I had to take it for deity pick. The other issue is, not only are you not favored with handwraps as a bladeforge, you also wont get the proficiency. , but when you hit level 6 pally , you do get the divine dream but the requires follower of path of light is red as requirement.

So really no way to make the bladeforge pally work because you dont get Follower of the path of light... So instead I made a Sun Cleric Dark Apostate, then I took multi class to pally, and my first level gave me follow of the path of light.. which is pretty neat because Apostates curse is allowing me to do evil damage with my handwraps while sacred first is allowing me to do fire damage.

But anyway, just goofing around with it,, also dont know if this is already something you can do, but in divine disciple tree I can take emmisary of the light and the dark together.. is that always been like that? first core and last core.. but they both are level 1 cleric requirement.

here is a screenshot of divine disciple light and dark taken.. never took core at both ends before.
https://imgur.com/a/3bnS3of

That makes sense because of how Bladeforged is supposed to work but also annoying. That you still get the level 6 Path of Light feat is bugged if you're forced to take the Lord of Blades as a deity.

The DD cores worked weirdly now. You can either start from left to right or right to left or go from either end and meet in the middle. Several enhancements have prerequisites depending on which of the 3 paths you choose.

[cmecu]

Supposedly the change is for space we just haven’t gotten that far yet

I hope sure seems Bass Ackwards to me I feel like Scotty. Ive given all shes got.. I just have no more room for anything. I guess with all these new set items and stuff .. it maybe time to just go through inventory and sell of certain pieces that have set item pieces.. but my luck , when i get rid of something.. a patch comes out that makes those items super relevant.

[jskinner937]

That would defeat the purpose of Iconics as a "way to get new players a jump-start on the game". Granted, Iconics already fail to do this on every conceivable level, but some guy in the SSG board room is no doubt staunchly defending the ability to auto-level an iconic to 15 as being for this express purpose.

I think it’s glaringly obvious, due to the amount of resources put into the game, that no one on the SSG board is making any suggestions about the game, other than is it time to **** it down.

[Oxarhamar]

I think it’s glaringly obvious, due to the amount of resources put into the game, that no one on the SSG board is making any suggestions about the game, other than is it time to **** it down.

Not even close DDO makes more $$ per player that LoTRO

[cmecu]

That makes sense because of how Bladeforged is supposed to work but also annoying. That you still get the level 6 Path of Light feat is bugged if you're forced to take the Lord of Blades as a deity.

The DD cores worked weirdly now. You can either start from left to right or right to left or go from either end and meet in the middle. Several enhancements have prerequisites depending on which of the 3 paths you choose.

If it is WAI to be able to Iconic the class Archtype.. Then they would need to fix Bladeforge so they have the option to get Follower of light or whatever it was called to get handwraps favored and proficiency at level 1.

[misterski]

If it is WAI to be able to Iconic the class Archtype.. Then they would need to fix Bladeforge so they have the option to get Follower of light or whatever it was called to get handwraps favored and proficiency at level 1.

Yeah I hope they do but not holding my breath. Bladeforged are tied to the Lord of Blades as a deity. Maybe they can give Bladeforged Sacred Fists both deities at level 1?