BAB Nerf = Bow Nerf (Again)

[FixBows]

So with BAB being capped now at 25, lets look specifically at archer who gets a stiff(er) nerf per usual:

Doubleshot nerf from Manyshot
T5 Shiradi nerf to Feywild Attunement
T5 Horizon Walker nerf to Feywild Attunement
Attack speed lowered
General +to hit and damage

Seriously SSG. Are we at it again with bows? Can you not just leave us alone for more than a few months without nerf batting us again?!?!

[Yamani]

Rapid shot is 1.5x BAB to ranged power while using a bow.

[Jomee]

So with BAB being capped now at 25, lets look specifically at archer who gets a stiff(er) nerf per usual:

Doubleshot nerf from Manyshot
T5 Shiradi nerf to Feywild Attunement
T5 Horizon Walker nerf to Feywild Attunement
Attack speed lowered
General +to hit and damage

Seriously SSG. Are we at it again with bows? Can you not just leave us alone for more than a few months without nerf batting us again?!?!

If the same problem keeps coming back over and over, you're not addressing the root cause!

[Bjond]

Attack speed lowered

I seriously doubt anyone's attack rate got nerfed unless they were already riding the edge and skimping on gear. ROF for missile combat caps at 86/m and that's so easy to hit, my ranged builds usually have that around L20~24. Last time I checked it, I had to work pretty hard to reduce my thrower's ROF below 86/m at L30.

The other BAB-related features (mostly only used by bow) did take a hit.

[adamkatt]

Oh not again.. this is really going to upset Bacon Burger!

[FixBows]

If the same problem keeps coming back over and over, you're not addressing the root cause!

Unfortunately, the root cause is not a technical one.

[cadaverash]

Dev's hate archers.
Dev's hate monks.
Dev's really hate monk-archers.

Kobold remember U50....

[Eantarus]

Rapid shot is 1.5x BAB to ranged power while using a bow.

Which got nerfed by reducing BAB.

[OfElectricMen]

BAB should be capped at +20.

[Zuldar]

This one probably needed to happen. As the level cap goes up the discrepancy between max BAB and non-max is going to get even wider.

[balvix]

Dev's hate archers.
Dev's hate monks.
Dev's really hate monk-archers.

Kobold remember U50....

So much truth here. I feel like a monkcher once took out a devs daughter and didnt give her a call back or something, maybe something worse, for all the hate they have for monks and archers.

[Eantarus]

This one probably needed to happen. As the level cap goes up the discrepancy between max BAB and non-max is going to get even wider.

Sooooo.... why not give every class access to a "BAB = Character Level"-type thing? Seems like a much better direction than nuking into deep oblivion.

[Zuldar]

Sooooo.... why not give every class access to a "BAB = Character Level"-type thing? Seems like a much better direction than nuking into deep oblivion.

That's an option sure, but it devalues the BAB = level abilities or classes with innate full BAB. If the nerf hurts certain builds too much it's better to buff them up to a reasonable level.

[Xgya]

Frankly, the access to BaB = Level devalued full BaB classes a bit too much already.

I just wished they just removed those outright, but gave Epic levels actual BaB increases every 2 levels.

To keep some level of parity between melee builds, spells and abilities in Eldritch Knight just get to say "add BaB equal to half your Wizard/Sorcerer level, rounded up".
It would give Eldritch Knights the same BaB as Fighters, Rangers and Paladins, instead of outright outclassing them.
It would punish Eldritch Knights multiclassing into non full BaB classes in the exact same way it currently punishes everyone else.

[cadaverash]

So much truth here. I feel like a monkcher once took out a devs daughter and didnt give her a call back or something, maybe something worse, for all the hate they have for monks and archers.

My archer that I played for 10 years of my life is now a Sorc.

I do miss playing an archer, but that silly walk they gave them in U50 just to spite us after the nerfs...

Yeah, I play a Sorc and walk normal.

Monkcher gave dev's daughter the shaft, so dev's shafted monks and archers....

[FixBows]

The Issue I have is all the great bow fixes that they implemented as a result of their bows nerfs in the recent past, are now nerfed. It just doesn't end with them. A lot if not all of the important bows buffs they implemented are tied to BaB, so now yet again, the nerf bat crushes bows. And they will tell you to your face they don't hate bows but do everything to prove that false.

[Eantarus]

If no one's pointed it out already this most recent bow nerf came conveniently a short while after the release of Horizon Walker. Just enough time for everyone to buy it and think bows would be cool again.

[Aelonwy]

If no one's pointed it out already this most recent bow nerf came conveniently a short while after the release of Horizon Walker. Just enough time for everyone to buy it and think bows would be cool again.

Indeed. After they nerfed ALL ranged with the IPS nerf to make way for Horizon Walker's synergy with Archer's Focus. Blanket nerf for everyone so the new shiny looks awesome by comparison... wait what's that on the horizon? Its a bird, its a plane, its nerfs for the new shiny when its not new anymore. Its such a pattern its become a trope. The only surprising thing is that anyone still trusts their purchases.

[gravisrs]

Can you not just leave us alone for more than a few months without nerf batting us again?!?!

It was a short "buff" window just to sell Horizon Walker. Now move back, soldier

[LilacDragon6]

Seriously SSG. Are we at it again with bows? Can you not just leave us alone for more than a few months without nerf batting us again?!?!

Bows are OP as heck dude.