Store Purchase For Hardcore Rewards

[Stoner81]

I know this is going to be unpopular but I really don't care...

Please give us the option of just buying the rewards from the store, make them different colours or whatever else to make them different but at least give it so that us players that do not like Hardcore at all can get the nice cosmetics.

Stoner81.

[GoldyGopher]

Not Signed

[LittleLexi]

This one is tricky. On the one hand – I do think Hardcore rewards should be unique and special.

But it also seems silly to not let people spend their dollars or points on cosmetics that they really want.

I actually wish the HC rewards also had different colour palettes that we could pick from. I'm guessing people would like the wings the most from this season. Maybe if the Hardcore version had a little subtle VI somewhere that only flares in certain lighting. That way those who have earned them can still flex and feel like their accomplishment isn't diminished.

Or if the purchasable reward was similar, yet different enough from the earnable one, and only available say 3-6 months after the Hardcore season ended. That's the best compromise I could come up with.

[C-Dog]

...make them different colours or whatever else to make them different...

There is an argument that "different color" makes it different.

There is also the argument that a unique reward for a unique achievement should be truly... (hrmmm, what is the proper word, here?)... "unique"?


While I support more cosmetics for flavor, on this one I have to side with the latter position.

[Stoner81]

I get both sides of the argument I really do but...

Having these rewards specifically linked to Hardcore directly discriminates against those that do not like to play like that and/or do not have the time to play DDO like a full time job. It segregates those players by default even though they might want the cosmetics. By making them different from the earned ones clearly distinguishes who has bought and who has earned them so those that want the bragging rights can still have them meanwhile folks that just want to *insert shut up and take my money.gif* have that option.

Stoner81.

[radule]

I get both sides of the argument I really do but...

Having these rewards specifically linked to Hardcore directly discriminates against those that do not like to play like that and/or do not have the time to play DDO like a full time job. It segregates those players by default even though they might want the cosmetics. By making them different from the earned ones clearly distinguishes who has bought and who has earned them so those that want the bragging rights can still have them meanwhile folks that just want to *insert shut up and take my money.gif* have that option.

Stoner81.

I feel like "discriminate" is too strong of a word here.

make an unjust or prejudicial distinction in the treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, sex, age, or disability.

It's like saying you or I could not win a gold medal at Olympics, and we are being discriminated on the basis that we cannot spend enough time to train due to our real life obligations.

Gold medal at Olympics = unique reward = can't be bought with money
5K wings = unique reward = can't be bought with money

[NotAgainPlease]

I get both sides of the argument I really do but...

Having these rewards specifically linked to Hardcore directly discriminates against those that do not like to play like that and/or do not have the time to play DDO like a full time job. It segregates those players by default even though they might want the cosmetics. By making them different from the earned ones clearly distinguishes who has bought and who has earned them so those that want the bragging rights can still have them meanwhile folks that just want to *insert shut up and take my money.gif* have that option.

Stoner81.

With that thought process

Crystal Cove
Night Revels
Anniversary
Mimic Hunt
Snow Peaks Festival

and every event should be handled the same way as well.

There are after all plenty of people who do not like to run those events as well.

Fortunately for all of those players DDO does have the all mighty all powerful all rewarding

https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Button_of_Winning

[noinfo]

I feel like "discriminate" is too strong of a word here.

make an unjust or prejudicial distinction in the treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, sex, age, or disability.

It's like saying you or I could not win a gold medal at Olympics, and we are being discriminated on the basis that we cannot spend enough time to train due to our real life obligations.

Gold medal at Olympics = unique reward = can't be bought with money
5K wings = unique reward = can't be bought with money

except that $5 could get you a knock off that looked like it

or that since the medal is unbound it certainly leads to options.

But now that we have HC wings I am waiting on my Reaper footprints!

[Buddha5440]

I feel like "discriminate" is too strong of a word here.

make an unjust or prejudicial distinction in the treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, sex, age, or disability.

It's like saying you or I could not win a gold medal at Olympics, and we are being discriminated on the basis that we cannot spend enough time to train due to our real life obligations.

Gold medal at Olympics = unique reward = can't be bought with money
5K wings = unique reward = can't be bought with money

Decent analogy except for the numerous gold medals that actually have been sold

Anyways, I guess we'll all just have to wait until video games come to the Olympics... trust me, they ARE coming. Even then some will complain about discrimination because they couldn't afford the best rig for training.

[Stoner81]

I feel like "discriminate" is too strong of a word here.

make an unjust or prejudicial distinction in the treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, sex, age, or disability.

It's like saying you or I could not win a gold medal at Olympics, and we are being discriminated on the basis that we cannot spend enough time to train due to our real life obligations.

Gold medal at Olympics = unique reward = can't be bought with money
5K wings = unique reward = can't be bought with money

"make an unjust or prejudicial distinction in the treatment of different categories of people"

People that do not like to play the permadeath way comes under that description.

Compare an Olympic medal to a video game is like comparing cheese to car.

With that thought process

Crystal Cove
Night Revels
Anniversary
Mimic Hunt
Snow Peaks Festival

and every event should be handled the same way as well.

There are after all plenty of people who do not like to run those events as well.

Fortunately for all of those players DDO does have the all mighty all powerful all rewarding

https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Button_of_Winning

Those events and Hardcore are completely different.

Stoner81.

[Aelonwy]

How about this for a suggestion...

This is an image of the HC Season 6 wings:


How about they add to the store some somewhat differently colored wings... but wings that are also TRANSPARENT. This would solve 4 problems in one go and potentially make them a lot of money.

Problem versus solution

• HC Wings take up too much screen space/can't see combat as well - Solution: Transparency allows better visibility.
• I WANT my HC Wings Unique - Solution: Transparent wings are less substantial than HC Reward, indicating HC winners superiority. ABSOLUTE Uniqueness is problematic for the game as it aggravates players that were either not here when the unique reward was offered or had other issues obtaining said reward.
• Cosmetic Wings are exactly the sort of item that would entice non-permadeath, non-reaper players into playing a game mode that many WILL NOT enjoy and could potentially turn them away from the game entirely - Solution: Somewhat similar but differentiated wings that casual players could purchase and enjoy without quitting the game for another that appreciates their contribution to the community.
• HC Wing Color not preference for many - Solution: Somewhat similar but differentiated wings could be sold in many colors, eventually meeting ALL preferences.

Image Photoshopped various colored wings at 55% transparency.


Could easily sell for 10$ a piece, maybe 25$ for a bundle of 3. Add the transparent wings to similarly colored Phantom Steed & bundle with matching wing cosmetic for $30 a piece.
Ka Ching. Ka Ching.

[Oxarhamar]

How about this for a suggestion...

This is an image of the HC Season 6 wings:


How about they add to the store some somewhat differently colored wings... but wings that are also TRANSPARENT. This would solve 4 problems in one go and potentially make them a lot of money.

Problem versus solution

• HC Wings take up too much screen space/can't see combat as well - Solution: Transparency allows better visibility.
• I WANT my HC Wings Unique - Solution: Transparent wings are less substantial than HC Reward, indicating HC winners superiority. ABSOLUTE Uniqueness is problematic for the game as it aggravates players that were either not here when the unique reward was offered or had other issues obtaining said reward.
• Cosmetic Wings are exactly the sort of item that would entice non-permadeath, non-reaper players into playing a game mode that many WILL NOT enjoy and could potentially turn them away from the game entirely - Solution: Somewhat similar but differentiated wings that casual players could purchase and enjoy without quitting the game for another that appreciates their contribution to the community.
• HC Wing Color not preference for many - Solution: Somewhat similar but differentiated wings could be sold in many colors, eventually meeting ALL preferences.

Image Photoshopped various colored wings at 55% transparency.


Could easily sell for 10$ a piece, maybe 25$ for a bundle of 3. Add the transparent wings to similarly colored Phantom Steed & bundle with matching wing cosmetic for $30 a piece.
Ka Ching. Ka Ching.

Signed

I want to see you have wings & Id even buy a set

As far as unique a pair of green luna moth wings, yellow tiger swallowtail, blue morpho, red monarch, black swallowtail would be great & different enough from HCL to do the trick

[Cernunan]

How about this for a suggestion...

This is an image of the HC Season 6 wings:


How about they add to the store some somewhat differently colored wings... but wings that are also TRANSPARENT. This would solve 4 problems in one go and potentially make them a lot of money.

Problem versus solution

• HC Wings take up too much screen space/can't see combat as well - Solution: Transparency allows better visibility.
• I WANT my HC Wings Unique - Solution: Transparent wings are less substantial than HC Reward, indicating HC winners superiority. ABSOLUTE Uniqueness is problematic for the game as it aggravates players that were either not here when the unique reward was offered or had other issues obtaining said reward.
• Cosmetic Wings are exactly the sort of item that would entice non-permadeath, non-reaper players into playing a game mode that many WILL NOT enjoy and could potentially turn them away from the game entirely - Solution: Somewhat similar but differentiated wings that casual players could purchase and enjoy without quitting the game for another that appreciates their contribution to the community.
• HC Wing Color not preference for many - Solution: Somewhat similar but differentiated wings could be sold in many colors, eventually meeting ALL preferences.

Image Photoshopped various colored wings at 55% transparency.


Could easily sell for 10$ a piece, maybe 25$ for a bundle of 3. Add the transparent wings to similarly colored Phantom Steed & bundle with matching wing cosmetic for $30 a piece.
Ka Ching. Ka Ching.

Yes please.
It saddens me you can't get the HC wings, I would start over and help you if you were not limited by time.

I don't understand why they don't put more effort into cosmetics. People spend money on good cosmetics in every game.

[LittleLexi]

How about this for a suggestion...

How about they add to the store some somewhat differently colored wings... but wings that are also TRANSPARENT. This would solve 4 problems in one go and potentially make them a lot of money.

Problem versus solution

• HC Wings take up too much screen space/can't see combat as well - Solution: Transparency allows better visibility.
• I WANT my HC Wings Unique - Solution: Transparent wings are less substantial than HC Reward, indicating HC winners superiority. ABSOLUTE Uniqueness is problematic for the game as it aggravates players that were either not here when the unique reward was offered or had other issues obtaining said reward.
• Cosmetic Wings are exactly the sort of item that would entice non-permadeath, non-reaper players into playing a game mode that many WILL NOT enjoy and could potentially turn them away from the game entirely - Solution: Somewhat similar but differentiated wings that casual players could purchase and enjoy without quitting the game for another that appreciates their contribution to the community.
• HC Wing Color not preference for many - Solution: Somewhat similar but differentiated wings could be sold in many colors, eventually meeting ALL preferences.

Image Photoshopped various colored wings at 55% transparency.


Could easily sell for 10$ a piece, maybe 25$ for a bundle of 3. Add the transparent wings to similarly colored Phantom Steed & bundle with matching wing cosmetic for $30 a piece.
Ka Ching. Ka Ching.

These wings are actually a lot better than the true HC wings and much closer to what I had envisioned they would look like. If only they were a touch smaller – then they'd be perfect Well done!

They are still too similar to the actual HC reward though. Enough that it undermines that accomplishment. But that can be allayed with subtle tweaks. I do wish the HC wings were available at a different reward tier, like 1750, or 2500, and had more colour palettes as options. But I would also support more cosmetic options in the store in general – including wings like those.

[Mindos]

What if... If you have achieved any of the rewards on any of the Hardcore Seasons, you could trade after 3 true reincarnations, for an equivalent tier from any season.

For example, if you have only ever achieved the 1750 favor reward on any season of Hardcore, then after 3 True Reincarnations on live after claiming your 1750 reward each time, you could trade then for any 1750 reward ever offered? With the same for each of the favor tiers...

Maybe for reaper rewards, you could trade some of your reaper points... just thinking outloud here

[Annex]

Some of you miss the point. Hardcore rewards can remain exclusive. One need only a open a book on animal tracks to see the tens of thousands of footprint possibilities. A book on birds or butterflies or flying insects will provide tens of thousands of wing possibilities. Osprey Publishing offers hundreds of books on historic armor, capes, cloaks, and clothing, again offering tens of thousands of possibilities.

The issue was never lack of material for inspiration or lack of ideas or inability to use an art program to change some colors.

The issue is either lack of resources or lack of will.

This is really a kids and presents problem. Have you ever given a present to one kid in a room with four kids? The other three kids immediately want a present.

Anyway, I am done kvetching about this. No butterfly wings for me. Good luck to everyone still slogging it out on Hardcore. I hope you all make it.

[Aelonwy]

Someone said smaller wings so Smaller and Transparent to confirm HC winners superiority over those that would want to just buy wings.



I might try going smaller still later.

[Luthor_Darkhammer]

I don't do HC and I'm pretty much against giving/selling the rewards that HC offers even if it was a different color. They earned them so let them be unique. Now if it's just cosmetics you're after, that's fine, I like them too, but I wouldn't want to see the fairy wings or anything resembling reaper wings as a purchasable cosmetic as those have to be earned. Why not Angel/bird or Demon/bat style wings if you want wings?

But to each their own I suppose.

[Stoner81]

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<3 YOU ROCK!

Somebody, anybody, please for the love of God or whatever else give this person a job in the cosmetic department at SSG! Pretty please with sugar and a cherry on top!

Stoner81.

[Phoenicis]

Putting hardcore rewards in the store is, IMO a bad thing.

I would prefer to see the option to pick any previous season's rewards for the 5000 favor reward (I'm ambivalent on the reaper rewards).

HC season 6, you finally make 5k for the first time but the wings don't appeal to you, you get the option of picking any 5k reward from previous seasons, with the applied number reflecting the season you picked it. As an example you pick the season 2 horse, the number on the horse is a VI for the current season, not the II of the original.