Ability Score used for To Hit and Damage?

[Annex]

Does the character sheet show what ability score a character uses for To Hit and Damage rolls? I cannot find it anywhere.

I think my Great Crossbow Rogue 20 is borked. No matter what destiny she uses, she cannot kill stuff fast enough and gets swarmed. Throwing sticky grenades does not help. My Inquisitive Rogue 18 / Barbarian 2 also seems borked. She does better but definitely not great.

[jskinner937]

Does the character sheet show what ability score a character uses for To Hit and Damage rolls? I cannot find it anywhere.

I think my Great Crossbow Rogue 20 is borked. No matter what destiny she uses, she cannot kill stuff fast enough and gets swarmed. Throwing sticky grenades does not help. My Inquisitive Rogue 18 / Barbarian 2 also seems borked. She does better but definitely not great.

It will show up on your equipped weapon mouse over. Normally Xbow has no ability to damage, unless you took an enhancement to do so. Inherently it’s dex to hit, unless again you took an enhancement for something else.

[Annex]

It will show up on your equipped weapon mouse over. Normally Xbow has no ability to damage, unless you took an enhancement to do so. Inherently it’s dex to hit, unless again you took an enhancement for something else.

Thank you. My excuse for a brain was definitely filtering that out.

The Great Crossbow Rogue 20 is using Dexterity To Hit (+14) and Intelligence to Damage (+18) which means...something.

The Inquisitive Rogue 18 / Barbarian 2 is using Dexterity To Hit (+14).

Now I need to check the rest of my characters to see what other mayhem I have created.

[Kayze]

The Great Crossbow Rogue 20 is using Dexterity To Hit (+14) and Intelligence to Damage (+18) which means...something.

Most likely got it from Targeting Sights, a mechanic core enhancement.

This wikipedia page might help.

[Annex]

Most likely got it from Targeting Sights, a mechanic core enhancement.

This wikipedia page might help.

Thank you, Kayze. Yes, that is where she got it. I think the intention was to use Harper Agent on both characters and base everything on Intelligence, but I never got around to unlocking Harper Agent. I added that to the endless To Do list.

It appears the rest of my characters are working as planned for To Hit and Damage.

Something else must be wrong with the Great Crossbow Rogue because +14/+18 is right there with all my other Epic characters.

To be clear, she would be perfectly fine in a group, hanging back and sniping. Solo, she constantly gets swarmed even with traps and stuff deployed.

[Kayze]

Thank you, Kayze. Yes, that is where she got it. I think the intention was to use Harper Agent on both characters and base everything on Intelligence, but I never got around to unlocking Harper Agent. I added that to the endless To Do list.

It appears the rest of my characters are working as planned for To Hit and Damage.

Something else must be wrong with the Great Crossbow Rogue because +14/+18 is right there with all my other Epic characters.

To be clear, she would be perfectly fine in a group, hanging back and sniping. Solo, she constantly gets swarmed even with traps and stuff deployed.

One of the main downsides of the great crossbow rogue is the relative lack of AoE damage. Do you have Improved Precise Shot?

[C-Dog]

I added that to the endless To Do list.

I remember. It gets smaller.

Especially now that you're Level 20, you can go back and crush lower level content for Favor.

o 310 favor for Harper tree (all alts on that server!)
o 700 favor for Falconry (but you pro'ly already have a lot!)
o 180 favor for Vistani Knife Fighter (Quest Level 10-12)
o 225 favor for Inquisitive (yes pls!)
o 135 favor for Feydark Illusionist (Quest Level 5-9 - easy!)
o 400 (out of possible 460++) favor for Horizon Walker (QL 1-14)

Just pick one and march towards it. At Lvl 20, many are just a matter of spending the time (and following the Wiki if you don't know the quest!), no challenge involved. (With some, you have a chance to get some good named loot along the way!)

If you're F2P and can't open Elite it's tougher, but if you ask nicely you can often find a Guildie or kind soul who will act as an Opener* while you knock these out on Elite.

(* They don't need to quest with you, just let you be part of their party while you solo, and you can open Elite.)

GL!

[Annex]

One of the main downsides of the great crossbow rogue is the relative lack of AoE damage. Do you have Improved Precise Shot?

Hmmm. No. These are my notes for her:

Mechanic 34 36
Strength 12
Dexterity 14
Constitution 14
Intelligence 14 < All points to Intelligence
Wisdom 10
Charisma 14
Mechanic 44 / Assassin 23 / Acrobat 3 ?
1 Rapid Reload
1 Point Blank Shot
3 Rapid Shot
6 Precise Shot > Dodge
9 Precision (Formerly Insightful Reflexes) > Mobility
10 Improved Evasion
12 Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
13 Slippery Mind
15 Improved Precise Shot (Requires 19 Dexterity) > Shot on the Run
16 Opportunist
18 Insightful Reflexes > Precision
19 Defensive Roll
21 Overwhelming Critical
24 Combat Archery
26 Epic Spell Power: Positive (Why?)
28 Deific Warding
30 Epic Reflexes
30 Scion of the Ethereal Plane

However, I did not follow my own notes and I do not remember why.

She has:

41 Mechanic
24 Assassin
3 Thief-Acrobat (for the speed)
4 Vistani Knife Figherer (for negative resist and favored enemy undead)
8 Human (skill boost; healing amplification; don't count me out; sniper)

Combat Archery
Deific Warding
Doubleshot
Holy Strike (why?)
Epic Fortitude
Epic Reflexes
Overwhelming Critical
Precision
Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Point Blank Shot
Precise Shot
Rapid Reload
Rapid Shot
Insightful Reflexes
Slippery Mind
Improved Evasion
Opportunist
Defensive Roll

Why did I give up Improved Precise Shot and why was I thinking of dropping Precise Shot for all that Mobility stuff? I just do not remember.

[Annex]

Just pick one and march towards it. At Lvl 20, many are just a matter of spending the time (and following the Wiki if you don't know the quest!), no challenge involved. (With some, you have a chance to get some good named loot along the way!)

If you're F2P and can't open Elite it's tougher, but if you ask nicely you can often find a Guildie or kind soul who will act as an Opener* while you knock these out on Elite.

Thank you, C-Dog. I have six accounts, all Premium, which complicates everything. I have three characters who can open Elite but they are all level 14 right now. Three can open Hard. I have looked at the page you linked many times. Unlocking Favor perks and reaching 5,000 Favor are things I always intended to do, some day, but there was always something else more important or I was sick.

Anyway, now that I know where to look for To Hit and Damage I can work on fixing that for the two ranged characters. It appears all the melee characters are correct. The casters have different fish to fry.

[Kayze]

Mechanic 34 36
Strength 12
Dexterity 14
Constitution 14
Intelligence 14 < All points to Intelligence
Wisdom 10
Charisma 14

Why did I give up Improved Precise Shot and why was I thinking of dropping Precise Shot for all that Mobility stuff? I just do not remember.

Probably because IPS requires 19 dex. Getting at least a +2 dex tome from favor would make your life a lot easier.

[Annex]

Probably because IPS requires 19 dex. Getting at least a +2 dex tome from favor would make your life a lot easier.

She has +5 Tomes on Dexterity and Intelligence and +4 Tomes on everything else which means...I don't know. Maybe the tomes came later.

[C-Dog]

Hmmm. No. These are my notes for her:
...
15 Improved Precise Shot (Requires 19 Dexterity) > Shot on the Run
...

However, I did not follow my own notes and I do not remember why.

She has:

...
Rapid Shot
...

Assuming you can make the Dex requirement, you could swap some Feats around and dump Rapid Shot for IPS. It's been reported that, while RS gives a nice boost at lower levels, by the time you get to 20 it's only a couple %'s improvement.

(Since IPS has a high BAB requirement (+11), it will pro'ly take you more than one swap. So, unless you took RS at BAB +11 or later, Use Fred's free swap for the more expensive one.)

[Kayze]

She has +5 Tomes on Dexterity and Intelligence and +4 Tomes on everything else which means...I don't know. Maybe the tomes came later.

Great. If you are willing to entertain a slight class change, 18 rogue/2 artificer makes for a much better great crossbow character. We are going all the way up to 21 dex for Improved Sneak Attack.

18/2 Rogue/Artificer
True Neutral Gnome


Level Order

1. Artificer . . . 6. Rogue . . . . .11. Rogue . . . . .16. Rogue
2. Artificer . . . 7. Rogue . . . . .12. Rogue . . . . .17. Rogue
3. Rogue. . . . . .8. Rogue. . . . . 13. Rogue. . . . . 18. Rogue
4. Rogue. . . . . .9. Rogue. . . . . 14. Rogue. . . . . 19. Rogue
5. Rogue. . . . . 10. Rogue. . . . . 15. Rogue. . . . . 20. Rogue


Stats
. . . . . . . .28pt . . 32pt. . .34pt . . 36pt. . .Tome. . .Level Up
. . . . . . . .---- . . ----. . .---- . . ----. . .---- . . --------
Strength. . . . .6. . . . 6 . . . .8. . . .10 . . . +4 . . . 4: INT
Dexterity . . . 16. . . .16 . . . 16. . . .16 . . . +5 . . . 8: INT
Constitution. . 10. . . .14 . . . 14. . . .14 . . . +4 . . .12: INT
Intelligence. . 20. . . .20 . . . 20. . . .20 . . . +5 . . .16: INT
Wisdom. . . . . .8. . . . 8 . . . .8. . . . 8 . . . +4 . . .20: INT
Charisma. . . . .8. . . . 8 . . . .8. . . . 8 . . . +4 . . .24: INT
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28: INT
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 32: INT

Skills
. . . . . A .A. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R. R
. . . . . 1 .2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
Disable . 4 .1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Open Lo . 4 .1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Search. . 4 .1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Spot. . . 4 .1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Bluff . . 2 . . 3. 2. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Diplo . . 2 . . . .5 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .23
Balance . 2 . . 4. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Jump. . . . . . . .1 .6 .2 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .23
Hide. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4 .4 .4 .4 .4 .2 .1 .23
Move Si . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .2 .4 .5 .5 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .23
Swim. . . . . . . . . . .4 .5 .2 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .23
Tumble. . . . . 1. . . . . . . 4. 5. 3. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Haggle. . 4 .1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
UMD . . . 4 .1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Repair. . . .4. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2. 4. 10
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
. . . . .36 10 14 15 15 15 15 16 16 16 16 17 17 17 17 17 17 17 17 18


Feats

.1. . . . : Point Blank Shot
.3. . . . : Precise Shot
.6. . . . : Rapid Shot
.9. . . . : Insightful Reflexes
12. . . . : Improved Critical: Ranged
15. . . . : Precision
18. . . . : Improved Precise Shot
21 Epic . : Combat Archery
22 Destiny: Pierce Damage Reduction: Adamantine
24 Epic . : Overwhelming Critical
25 Destiny: Doubleshot
27 Epic . : Improved Sneak Attack
28 Destiny: Harbinger of Chaos
30 Epic . : Epic Reflexes
30 Legend : Scion of: Ethereal Plane
31 Destiny: Crush Weakness

12 Rogue. : Improved Evasion
15 Rogue. : Defensive Roll
18 Rogue. : Skill Mastery


Spells


Conjure Bolts (1), Ablative Armor (1), Enchant Weapons (2)


Enhancements (Spent: 80 +0r +0u / Max: 80 +0r +0u AP)

Inquisitive (41 AP)
Inquisitive, Hit the Streets, Mind Like Iron, True Seeing, Undaunted, Master Inquisitive
Eye for Accuracy III, Law on your Side, Inquisitive Skills III
Wand and Scroll Mastery III, Observation, Improved Law, Action Boost - Skills III
What First?: Ask Questions First, Improved Observation, Stop in the Name, Stat: Intelligence
What Later?: Shoot First, Greater Law, Stat: Intelligence
No Holds Barred, Inquisitor's Path: Jaded, Diplomatic Immunity

Mechanic (31 AP)
Arbalester, Tanglefoot, Targeting Sights, Improved Detection, Expert Builder
Sharpshooter, Thunderstone III, Awareness I
Sharpshooter
Sharpshooter, Wrack Construct: Wracking Shot II, Ooze Flask III, Stat: Intelligence
Sharpshooter, Fletching III, Leg Shot, Stat: Intelligence

Harper Agent (8 AP)
Agent of Good I
Harper Enchantment, Strategic Combat
Know the Angles III


Destinies (Spent: 60 (48 +12pdp) / Max: 60 (48 +12pdp) AP)

Shiradi Champion (35 AP)
Fey Favor, Vision, Audience with the Queen, Fey Countenance
Prism, Good Luck I, Shiradi Strike: Hunt's End, Fey Sight III
Stay: Stay Strong III, Phase Double III, Shiradi Power: Pin, Healing Spring
Double Rainbow, Pierce Deception, Improve Shiradi Power: Otto's Whistler, Fey Force: Fey Force
Fey Form, Track, Enemy of my Own, Overwhelming Force: Overwhelming Force
Nerve Venom, Lore of the Hunt, Feywild Attunement, Epic Moment: Inexorable Advance

Shadowdancer (14 AP)
Shadow Training, Step Through Shadow, The Darkest Luck
Cover of Darkness III, Technician III
Dance in the Dark III
Shadowcaster: Shadowstriker

Legendary Dreadnaught (11 AP)
Fearless, Weaponmaster, Thick Skinned
Push Through The Line III, Shrug Off Punishment I
Extra Action Boosts III, Honor or Backstab: Backstab I

[Annex]

Great. If you are willing to entertain a slight class change, 18 rogue/2 artificer makes for a much better great crossbow character. We are going all the way up to 21 dex for Improved Sneak Attack.

Thanks Kayze. Last night, while unable to sleep, I looked at at least one configuration much like the one you wrote up.

Unfortunately, it will not work for many reasons. It would take a year to level her from one. She does not have access to Inquisitive. So on.

Since I cannot identify any quick fixes I will shelve my ranged characters for now. It's fine.

[Kayze]

Thanks Kayze. Last night, while unable to sleep, I looked at at least one configuration much like the one you wrote up.

Unfortunately, it will not work for many reasons. It would take a year to level her from one. She does not have access to Inquisitive. So on.

Since I cannot identify any quick fixes I will shelve my ranged characters for now. It's fine.

Ah, I assumed you had account-wide access to inquisitor because of your other character. Here is a pure rogue version with no inquisitor:

Rogue 20
True Neutral Human


Stats
. . . . . . . .28pt . . 32pt. . .34pt . . 36pt. . .Tome. . .Level Up
. . . . . . . .---- . . ----. . .---- . . ----. . .---- . . --------
Strength. . . . .8. . . . 8 . . . 10. . . .12 . . . +4 . . . 4: INT
Dexterity . . . 16. . . .16 . . . 16. . . .16 . . . +5 . . . 8: INT
Constitution. . 10. . . .14 . . . 14. . . .14 . . . +4 . . .12: INT
Intelligence. . 18. . . .18 . . . 18. . . .18 . . . +5 . . .16: INT
Wisdom. . . . . .8. . . . 8 . . . .8. . . . 8 . . . +4 . . .20: INT
Charisma. . . . .8. . . . 8 . . . .8. . . . 8 . . . +4 . . .24: INT
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 28: INT

Skills
. . . . . 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
Repair. . 4. 1. . . . . . . . . . . .1 .2 .3 .3 .3 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .23
Disable . 4. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Open Lo . 4. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Search. . 4. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Spot. . . 4. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Bluff . . 4. . .2 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .23
Diplo . . 4. . . . 3. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Balance . 4. . .2 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .23
Jump. . . . .5 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .23
Hide. . . . . . . . . 1. 2. 2. 3. 3. 2. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Move Si . 4. . .1 .1 .2 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .1 .23
Swim. . . 4. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Tumble. . 4. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Haggle. . 4. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
UMD . . . 4. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 1. 23
Intim . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2. 2. 2. 2. 2. 3. 13
. . . . .------------------------------------------------------------
. . . . .52 14 14 15 15 15 15 16 16 16 16 17 17 17 17 17 17 17 17 18


Feats

.1. . . . : Point Blank Shot
.1 Human. : Rapid Reload
.3. . . . : Precise Shot
.6. . . . : Rapid Shot
.9. . . . : Insightful Reflexes
12. . . . : Improved Critical: Ranged
15. . . . : Precision
18. . . . : Improved Precise Shot
21 Epic . : Combat Archery
22 Destiny: Pierce Damage Reduction: Adamantine
24 Epic . : Overwhelming Critical
25 Destiny: Doubleshot
27 Epic . : Improved Sneak Attack
28 Destiny: Harbinger of Chaos
30 Epic . : Epic Reflexes
30 Legend : Scion of: Ethereal Plane
31 Destiny: Crush Weakness

10 Rogue. : Improved Evasion
13 Rogue. : Defensive Roll
16 Rogue. : Skill Mastery
19 Rogue. : Skill Mastery


Enhancements (Spent: 80 +0r +0u / Max: 80 +0r +0u AP)

Mechanic (44 AP)
Arbalester, Tanglefoot, Targeting Sights, Improved Detection, Expert Builder, Hip Flask
Sharpshooter, Thunderstone III
Sharpshooter, Wand and Scroll Mastery II, Skill Boost III
Sharpshooter, Wrack Construct: Wracking Shot I, Stat: Intelligence
Sharpshooter, Fletching III, Leg Shot, Stat: Intelligence
Sharpshooter, Rapid Fire III, Time Bomb III, Sniper, Mechanical Reloader
Assassin (25 AP)
Knife in the Darkness, Dagger in the Back, Assassin's Trick
Sneak Attack Training, Stealthy III
Sneak Attack Training, Damage Boost III
Critical Mastery III, Sneak Attack Training, Stat: Intelligence
Killer I, Sneak Attack Training, Stat: Intelligence
Harper Agent (8 AP)
Agent of Good I
Harper Enchantment, Strategic Combat
Know the Angles III
Thief-Acrobat (3 AP)
Staff Control
Fast Movement


Destinies (Spent: 60 (48 +12pdp) / Max: 60 (48 +12pdp) AP)

Shiradi Champion (35 AP)
Fey Favor, Vision, Audience with the Queen, Fey Countenance
Prism, Good Luck I, Shiradi Strike: Hunt's End, Fey Sight III
Stay: Stay Strong III, Phase Double III, Shiradi Power: Pin, Healing Spring
Double Rainbow, Pierce Deception, Improve Shiradi Power: Otto's Whistler, Fey Force: Fey Force
Fey Form, Track, Enemy of my Own, Overwhelming Force: Overwhelming Force
Nerve Venom, Lore of the Hunt, Feywild Attunement, Epic Moment: Inexorable Advance

Shadowdancer (14 AP)
Shadow Training, Step Through Shadow, The Darkest Luck
Cover of Darkness III, Technician III
Dance in the Dark III
Shadowcaster: Shadowstriker

Legendary Dreadnaught (11 AP)
Fearless, Weaponmaster, Thick Skinned
Push Through The Line III, Shrug Off Punishment I
Extra Action Boosts III, Honor or Backstab: Backstab I

[Annex]

Ah, I assumed you had account-wide access to inquisitor because of your other character. Here is a pure rogue version with no inquisitor:

Thank you, Kayze. I have 6 accounts, each with different stuff, which complicates everything. Once I have Harper Agent unlocked, I will perform an Epic reset on the pure Rogue and give it a try.

[Kayze]

Thank you, Kayze. I have 6 accounts, each with different stuff, which complicates everything. Once I have Harper Agent unlocked, I will perform an Epic reset on the pure Rogue and give it a try.

When you do unlock inquisitor (which is just the sharn chains), do try swapping into inquisitor. No Holds Barred is that good.

[Annex]

When you do unlock inquisitor (which is just the sharn chains), do try swapping into inquisitor. No Holds Barred is that good.

Unlocking that tree is one of many items on my To Do list. A viable ranged character will make quests like Just Business much easier. There are a lot of hurdles to cross between here and there.