The new archetypes and an omission that needs to be addressed

[fatherpirate]

With archetypes coming down the pipe
which includes a clearly evil character path (literally), one
of the early game design choices comes into question.

Early in game development, the choice was made to
exclude D&D's evil character alignments.

With that, the early game was true to it's word and excluded
evil player character options and mechanics.

That has long since changed.

The game now includes OBVIOUSLY evil
character trees and now evil archetypes.

This creates immersion lunacy.

Pally/Pale Masters
Lawful good evil clerics
Lawful good assassins

and so on

Evil alignments in D&D itself are gates
to prevent nonsensical evil/good heroes

In D&D
Assassins can not be good
Necromancers (Pale Masters) can not be good
Dark/evil clerics have to be evil

Since SSG is dead set on adding evil character trees
and evil archetypes it is time to also add
evil alignment

AND

properly restrict 'good' alignment characters
from using 'evil' skill trees.

also some 'good' align trees should be equally
restricted from evil player characters.

got to be fair.

[Oxarhamar]

With archetypes coming down the pipe
which includes a clearly evil character path (literally), one
of the early game design choices comes into question.

Early in game development, the choice was made to
exclude D&D's evil character alignments.

With that, the early game was true to it's word and excluded
evil player character options and mechanics.

That has long since changed.

The game now includes OBVIOUSLY evil
character trees and now evil archetypes.

This creates immersion lunacy.

Pally/Pale Masters
Lawful good evil clerics
Lawful good assassins

and so on

Evil alignments in D&D itself are gates
to prevent nonsensical evil/good heroes

In D&D
Assassins can not be good
Necromancers (Pale Masters) can not be good
Dark/evil clerics have to be evil

Since SSG is dead set on adding evil character trees
and evil archetypes it is time to also add
evil alignment

AND

properly restrict 'good' alignment characters
from using 'evil' skill trees.

also some 'good' align trees should be equally
restricted from evil player characters.

got to be fair.

DDO does not need to add evil alignment just because you say so

Remember that decision it up to the DM & that’s the Devs

Assassin may be required to be evil in certain DND settings but this is DDO

there is a good reason for no evil thanks for proving that

The archetype are available to play on Lamania no evil alignments needed enjoy

[FuzzyDuck81]

Dark doesn't necessarily mean evil; nothing wrong with a bit of necromancy... see the Dustmen faction of Sigil, or Aerenal's Undying Court.

Also roles like assassins? That's special task forces to you sonny, infiltration of enemy encampments to make a surgical strike on a single strategic target, saving countless lives vs. an all out battle.

[Oxarhamar]

Dark doesn't necessarily mean evil; nothing wrong with a bit of necromancy... see the Dustmen faction of Sigil, or Aerenal's Undying Court.

Also roles like assassins? That's special task forces to you sonny, infiltration of enemy encampments to make a surgical strike on a single strategic target, saving countless lives vs. an all out battle.

+1

[fatherpirate]

so a tree that makes all your physical attacks
do additional EVIL DAMAGE
does not mean your evil ? REALLY ?

ok, then drop the requirement for Paladin to be LAWFUL GOOD
Chaotic good should work too !
of even Lawful Neutral !

your retorts fail to address alignment restrictions already in game.

the current canon or DDO game rules do not even agree with itself.

[FuzzyDuck81]

so a tree that makes all your physical attacks
do additional EVIL DAMAGE
does not mean your evil ? REALLY ?

ok, then drop the requirement for Paladin to be LAWFUL GOOD
Chaotic good should work too !
of even Lawful Neutral !

your retorts fail to address alignment restrictions already in game.

the current canon or DDO game rules do not even agree with itself.

Warlocks being of an evil pact but working to use those powers against their originatior is pretty classic. Drow darkfire racial SLA is evil damage. Paladin alignment restrictions were dropped back in P&P 4th edition, still applies in 5th & while founded in 3.5, DDO has taken elements from the newer versions.

"It's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it and we use the tools available."

[Arkat]

Dark doesn't necessarily mean evil; nothing wrong with a bit of necromancy... see the Dustmen faction of Sigil, or Aerenal's Undying Court.

Also roles like assassins? That's special task forces to you sonny, infiltration of enemy encampments to make a surgical strike on a single strategic target, saving countless lives vs. an all out battle.

This

Warlocks being of an evil pact but working to use those powers against their originatior is pretty classic. Drow darkfire racial SLA is evil damage. Paladin alignment restrictions were dropped back in P&P 4th edition, still applies in 5th & while founded in 3.5, DDO has taken elements from the newer versions.

"It's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it and we use the tools available."

This too

[droid327]

so a tree that makes all your physical attacks
do additional EVIL DAMAGE
does not mean your evil ? REALLY ?

[Oxarhamar]

so a tree that makes all your physical attacks
do additional EVIL DAMAGE
does not mean your evil ? REALLY ?

ok, then drop the requirement for Paladin to be LAWFUL GOOD
Chaotic good should work too !
of even Lawful Neutral !

your retorts fail to address alignment restrictions already in game.

the current canon or DDO game rules do not even agree with itself.

Yes the DDO rule set does agree it’s you who disagrees

Making evil damage doesn’t make you evil

There are alignment restrictions including no evil characters & for good reason

[Alternative]

In this case, can we get Blackguard as an archetype, instead of that lame Fisting Pally?

[Arkat]

In this case, can we get Blackguard as an archetype, instead of that lame Fisting Pally?

No

Blackguards, also referred to as antipaladins, were the quintessential champions of evil in Faerûn. They led armies of dread forces such as undead, fiends, and other extra-planar beings, often in the name of the more malevolent deities.

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Blackguard

[FuzzyDuck81]

In this case, can we get Blackguard as an archetype, instead of that lame Fisting Pally?

The fisty pally looks pretty fun actually, i'm looking forward to it. As for a dark knight, blackguard type I think that could be possible for a fighter archetype? Maybe have it so the fighter bonus feat list is a selection of darker special abilities instead.

[spifflove]

Good and evil go hand in hand, there never is one without the other.

[Arkat]

Good and evil go hand in hand, there never is one without the other.

Maybe.

But one thing we do know for sure in DDO is that actually being Evil (committing evil deeds, etc.) is for adversaries and NPCs, not for PCs.

[fatherpirate]

Good and evil go hand in hand, there never is one without the other.

apparently, not according to SSG
There is good, and not really evil because we can find
some sort of exception in some story somewhere
that says otherwise.

[Oxarhamar]

Good and evil go hand in hand, there never is one without the other.

Right evil in DDO is what the heroes fight against

[Oxarhamar]

apparently, not according to SSG
There is good, and not really evil because we can find
some sort of exception in some story somewhere
that says otherwise.

No exceptions evil exists all around in DDO but you can’t join in you fight it

Harry for example is Lawful Evil

[Cordovan]

Even if we do start dipping into more traditionally dark paths with some of these Archetypes, we still won't have Evil alignment in the game, and we have no plans to bring it into the game.

[Dendrix]

No to Evil Alignment for Player Characters

Evil Alignment lets people say "I griefed you raid/quest/whatever because I my player character is evil" rather than having to accept "I griefed you raid/quest/whatever because I, the player, am a git"

replace git with any appropriate word

[cadaverash]

Barbarians, bards, monks and paladins are hit with alignment difficulties, but having a lawful good necromancer is just fine?

I think I saw a filigree that had smites and negative healing on it, so a lawful good necro/pali is okay but a lawful good bard is not?

Maybe remove alignment from the game.