The new archetypes and an omission that needs to be addressed

[fatherpirate]

With archetypes coming down the pipe
which includes a clearly evil character path (literally), one
of the early game design choices comes into question.

Early in game development, the choice was made to
exclude D&D's evil character alignments.

With that, the early game was true to it's word and excluded
evil player character options and mechanics.

That has long since changed.

The game now includes OBVIOUSLY evil
character trees and now evil archetypes.

This creates immersion lunacy.

Pally/Pale Masters
Lawful good evil clerics
Lawful good assassins

and so on

Evil alignments in D&D itself are gates
to prevent nonsensical evil/good heroes

In D&D
Assassins can not be good
Necromancers (Pale Masters) can not be good
Dark/evil clerics have to be evil

Since SSG is dead set on adding evil character trees
and evil archetypes it is time to also add
evil alignment

AND

properly restrict 'good' alignment characters
from using 'evil' skill trees.

also some 'good' align trees should be equally
restricted from evil player characters.

got to be fair.

[Oxarhamar]

With archetypes coming down the pipe
which includes a clearly evil character path (literally), one
of the early game design choices comes into question.

Early in game development, the choice was made to
exclude D&D's evil character alignments.

With that, the early game was true to it's word and excluded
evil player character options and mechanics.

That has long since changed.

The game now includes OBVIOUSLY evil
character trees and now evil archetypes.

This creates immersion lunacy.

Pally/Pale Masters
Lawful good evil clerics
Lawful good assassins

and so on

Evil alignments in D&D itself are gates
to prevent nonsensical evil/good heroes

In D&D
Assassins can not be good
Necromancers (Pale Masters) can not be good
Dark/evil clerics have to be evil

Since SSG is dead set on adding evil character trees
and evil archetypes it is time to also add
evil alignment

AND

properly restrict 'good' alignment characters
from using 'evil' skill trees.

also some 'good' align trees should be equally
restricted from evil player characters.

got to be fair.

DDO does not need to add evil alignment just because you say so

Remember that decision it up to the DM & that’s the Devs

Assassin may be required to be evil in certain DND settings but this is DDO

there is a good reason for no evil thanks for proving that

The archetype are available to play on Lamania no evil alignments needed enjoy

[FuzzyDuck81]

Dark doesn't necessarily mean evil; nothing wrong with a bit of necromancy... see the Dustmen faction of Sigil, or Aerenal's Undying Court.

Also roles like assassins? That's special task forces to you sonny, infiltration of enemy encampments to make a surgical strike on a single strategic target, saving countless lives vs. an all out battle.

[Oxarhamar]

Dark doesn't necessarily mean evil; nothing wrong with a bit of necromancy... see the Dustmen faction of Sigil, or Aerenal's Undying Court.

Also roles like assassins? That's special task forces to you sonny, infiltration of enemy encampments to make a surgical strike on a single strategic target, saving countless lives vs. an all out battle.

+1

[fatherpirate]

so a tree that makes all your physical attacks
do additional EVIL DAMAGE
does not mean your evil ? REALLY ?

ok, then drop the requirement for Paladin to be LAWFUL GOOD
Chaotic good should work too !
of even Lawful Neutral !

your retorts fail to address alignment restrictions already in game.

the current canon or DDO game rules do not even agree with itself.

[FuzzyDuck81]

so a tree that makes all your physical attacks
do additional EVIL DAMAGE
does not mean your evil ? REALLY ?

ok, then drop the requirement for Paladin to be LAWFUL GOOD
Chaotic good should work too !
of even Lawful Neutral !

your retorts fail to address alignment restrictions already in game.

the current canon or DDO game rules do not even agree with itself.

Warlocks being of an evil pact but working to use those powers against their originatior is pretty classic. Drow darkfire racial SLA is evil damage. Paladin alignment restrictions were dropped back in P&P 4th edition, still applies in 5th & while founded in 3.5, DDO has taken elements from the newer versions.

"It's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it and we use the tools available."

[droid327]

so a tree that makes all your physical attacks
do additional EVIL DAMAGE
does not mean your evil ? REALLY ?

[Oxarhamar]

so a tree that makes all your physical attacks
do additional EVIL DAMAGE
does not mean your evil ? REALLY ?

ok, then drop the requirement for Paladin to be LAWFUL GOOD
Chaotic good should work too !
of even Lawful Neutral !

your retorts fail to address alignment restrictions already in game.

the current canon or DDO game rules do not even agree with itself.

Yes the DDO rule set does agree it’s you who disagrees

Making evil damage doesn’t make you evil

There are alignment restrictions including no evil characters & for good reason

[Alternative]

In this case, can we get Blackguard as an archetype, instead of that lame Fisting Pally?

[Arkat]

Dark doesn't necessarily mean evil; nothing wrong with a bit of necromancy... see the Dustmen faction of Sigil, or Aerenal's Undying Court.

Also roles like assassins? That's special task forces to you sonny, infiltration of enemy encampments to make a surgical strike on a single strategic target, saving countless lives vs. an all out battle.

This

Warlocks being of an evil pact but working to use those powers against their originatior is pretty classic. Drow darkfire racial SLA is evil damage. Paladin alignment restrictions were dropped back in P&P 4th edition, still applies in 5th & while founded in 3.5, DDO has taken elements from the newer versions.

"It's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it and we use the tools available."

This too

[Annex]

Fatherpirate, you are right, but it cannot happen because it would unleash a tidal wave of grief. As far as I am concerned, many DDO characters are flat out evil, especially the ones who rely on negative energy. Many quests require some really evil behavior of our characters. However, adding evil alignments will only encourage the crazies and they are out there, waiting for an excuse.

Despite my hard stance on evil characters, I agree with FuzzyDuck81 with regards Assassins. I have always felt the Assassin tree is badly misnamed. Since day one, I have played my avatar and her associates as former special forces soldiers, based on the experiences of my dad and many of his friends who served in the military. They learned and did all sorts of crazy stuff. We just play at being awesome. They are the real deal. I never play in Shadowdancer because that tree is all wrong for a special forces character. We don't have a proper Epic Destiny tree for special forces type rogues at all.

[Uska]

With archetypes coming down the pipe
which includes a clearly evil character path (literally), one
of the early game design choices comes into question.

Early in game development, the choice was made to
exclude D&D's evil character alignments.

With that, the early game was true to it's word and excluded
evil player character options and mechanics.

That has long since changed.

The game now includes OBVIOUSLY evil
character trees and now evil archetypes.

This creates immersion lunacy.

Pally/Pale Masters
Lawful good evil clerics
Lawful good assassins

and so on

Evil alignments in D&D itself are gates
to prevent nonsensical evil/good heroes

In D&D
Assassins can not be good
Necromancers (Pale Masters) can not be good
Dark/evil clerics have to be evil

Since SSG is dead set on adding evil character trees
and evil archetypes it is time to also add
evil alignment

AND

properly restrict 'good' alignment characters
from using 'evil' skill trees.

also some 'good' align trees should be equally
restricted from evil player characters.

got to be fair.

No

[krimsonrane]

I agree with you.
The others seem to be on a "both sides of slavery/genocide" argument.