Update 56 Preview 1: Stormsinger Archetype

[MarkTatsu]

I thought the theme was sonic and electric? I was really excited when I read this but then I read all the sla.
Why no option for electric? I thought the theme was electric not cold? I think they should add electric loop lightning bolt and chain lightning to the current options for us that want to be a sonic and electric caster .

[dogsoldier]

I thought the theme was sonic and electric? I was really excited when I read this but then I read all the sla.
Why no option for electric? I thought the theme was electric not cold? I think they should add electric loop lightning bolt and chain lightning to the current options for us that want to be a sonic and electric caster .

Yeah, that would be nice if it were an option, multi-select or something.

I also think the cold stuff should be available as a regular spell choice (mainly thinking for Primal Sky mantle purposes). Right now, the only way to get cold spells is T5 (Iceberg) and the SLAs, which are ok I guess, but I too would rather have electric loop, and even shocking grasp as SLAs. And then pickup the cold stuff as regular spells.

[NightHiker]

Right now, the only way to get cold spells is T5 (Iceberg) and the SLAs, which are ok I guess, but I too would rather have electric loop, and even shocking grasp as SLAs. And then pickup the cold stuff as regular spells.

One could argue that the main feature, or one of the main features, of the archetype is to have electric damage procs go off when you cast sonic or cold spells - so it kinda makes sense all the SLA options are sonic and cold, with electric in the spell book.

However, I think having the cold line also available as regular spells, including ice and sleet storm to compensate for the widely proposed loss of enchantment CC would make the archetype more rounded out.

I don't know if the tech involved on creating archetypes allows for modification of trees in case an specific archetype is chosen, like giving different abilities on the spellsinger tree depending on archetype. If it does, then yeah, replacing the enchantment related stuff with sonic related ones would be great, or even just plain removing them would be alright if the alternative is too much work. Same thing for the Mass hold enhancement on T5 - if possible, replace it with an evocation spell with a CC component - or maybe an enhancement that improves the lightning ball spell to also daze or stun mobs - that's one spell I see people forfeiting at end game for better level 4 spells, and that would make for some interesting trade offs. Worst case scenario, if, again, doing that is too much trouble, I'm ok with just removing Mass Hold (as long as we get ice/sleet storm).

Cheers,
NH

[Synthetic]

@lynn

Can you buff a little bit the warchanter tree, like you did with the battlepriest tree on the cleric pass that you guys are doing.

This would be great.

The capstone could really use some improvements - super slow cast time doesn't scale with spell power and has a 2minute cooldown on a 6s CC ability. It also costs a song so reducing the cooldown to 12s would probably be appropriate(you'll run out of songs darn quick if you're not careful).

Please reduce the AP cost of the tree too.

[Rebelheart01]

Howdy friends, happy Thursday! I'm here to post some of our preliminary design changes! Note that all of this is subject to change, as are all things on the preview server.

Stormsinger:

• Step 1: Stormsinger needs to lose something. And I know, I know, saying it like that makes me sound like a comic book villain, but the underlying thread of feedback that I've gotten so far (and largely very much agree with) is that Stormsinger is too good for what we want an Archetype to be. We never ever ever want an Archetype to be strictly better than the base class at what the base class does. And right now, Stormsinger is shaping up to be way too strong. So, with that said...
  
  • Stormsinger will no longer get the upgrade feats for Inspire Courage and Bardic Aria as it levels. This means it won't get the following feats:
  • Improved Inspire Courage +1
  • Improved Inspire Courage +2
  • Improved Inspire Courage +3
  • Ballad Melody: Greatness
  • Inspiration Melody: Heroics
  • We hope that the loss of a significant chunk of its buffing potential helps Stormsinger fit into its role (DPS caster bard) without stepping on the support aspect of base Bard.

Thank you for the amazing feedback so far! If you have any further comments, questions, or suggestions, please feel free to post them here

So instead of completely removing inspire courage and the bardic aria that has synergies with spellsinger and Fatesinger why not rebrand them as "Storm inspiration" and "Aria of the storm"? so as you level you would get auto granted the new feats. These new feats would provide a specific benefit to Stormsinger and contain none of the benefits of the original feats. Anytime you pick up a core or a enhancement from any source that would grant you bonus to inspire courage you would be granted "Storm inspiration" benefits instead.

"Storm inspiration" song buffs could be as simple as bonus to spell power boosts tailored to the elements or universal spell power so everyone with a blue bar could benefit from the song. Higher level heroics might include temporary spell points and maybe spell point regeneration. Epic level perks might include bonus critical to hit and or damage. Seems to me that this would also help make them attractive for raid groups... well at least for everyone that cast spells for heals or damage. If this is still to much spell power for the Stormsinger themself I might suggest dropping the core's spell power boost at each core to offset the "Storm inspiration" song buff.

Just my 2 cents after all how can you have a Storm"SINGER" if you do not have songs to go with it?

[Lynnabel]

So instead of completely removing inspire courage and the bardic aria that has synergies with spellsinger and Fatesinger why not rebrand them as "Storm inspiration" and "Aria of the storm"? so as you level you would get auto granted the new feats. These new feats would provide a specific benefit to Stormsinger and contain none of the benefits of the original feats. Anytime you pick up a core or a enhancement from any source that would grant you bonus to inspire courage you would be granted "Storm inspiration" benefits instead.

"Storm inspiration" song buffs could be as simple as bonus to spell power boosts tailored to the elements or universal spell power so everyone with a blue bar could benefit from the song. Higher level heroics might include temporary spell points and maybe spell point regeneration. Epic level perks might include bonus critical to hit and or damage. Seems to me that this would also help make them attractive for raid groups... well at least for everyone that cast spells for heals or damage. If this is still to much spell power for the Stormsinger themself I might suggest dropping the core's spell power boost at each core to offset the "Storm inspiration" song buff.

Just my 2 cents after all how can you have a Storm"SINGER" if you do not have songs to go with it?

Ah, to be clear, the base Aria and Bardic Inspiration are staying - the listed feats are the upgrades for them.

[Steeme]

Please ensure the "Lightning Strike" from Stormsinger cores is a toggle that can be turned off. If it already functions like this, thank you.