U56 Preview 1 - Archetypes

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It is nice to see the mass spells as some quality of life changes for casters.
But when can we get mass inspiration for bard? That thing has an even higher cooldown than True Seeing or Freedom of Movement.
I can totally understand any bard who just uses the buffs only on himself, because it takes so painfully long to buff 6 people every god **** quest.

[danlan]

Hi Lynnabel,
Tiefling's Incinerations are now: +2% and +3% Fire Spell Critical Damage.

I understand the rationale of this change but thid is nerfed too much. 8% fire critical chance is at least four times better than 5% fire critical damage atm.

Could you please consider to make it +6% and +8% firE critical damage?

[Karthunk]

These nerfs are WAY too extreme. Please stop trying to "fix" classes and races with a sledge hammer

[QuantumFX]

Another long standing bug that wasn't addressed while y'all were modifying the reaper crafting: You *STILL* can't turn Reaper boosted throwing weapons into Fragments of Reaper Power.

[nobodynobody1426]

This seems a fair bit extreme. FvS nuking is crushed. It also makes no sense since the cleric cores DO get caster levels.

Well FVS gets +3CL / MCL in it's T4 and T5, so MCL still lines up with Sorc, but behind Druid. Cleric gets +2 and they don't even apply to all of its' spells.

The Alignment spells were over nerfed, remove the "deals half damage to neutral" if we're giving them standard +spell level dice, or adjust them to +6 but with the alignment restrictions, or remove the 10 MCL on them.

Typically how nerfs are handled, over broad and extreme.

As I suspect this is set in stone and nothing's gonna offset the huge loss of 6CL/12MCL, can we at least get a slight modification costs to AoV's t4 Intense Faith that gives +1 CL per tier. It currently costs 2 AP per tier (6 AP total), can it be reduced to 1 AP per tier (3 AP total)?

Gotta be careful, they might just take those and level 9 spell access while they are at it.

[nobodynobody1426]

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[Paisheng]

Could we find a middle way here rather then totally destroy the healing hands ?


Give 5 uses totally and a 5 mins recharge time ?

I concur with Delta and many others in this thread. After so many years this is a difficult and painfully unneeded nerf.

There are not that many hands to heal yourself and others in a group in a pinch...they use up fast. Secondly the healing hands are the best feature/strong point of aasimar --it helps a non healing class can do a little self heal and help a bit with others. I have found the number makes me carefully plan their uses. Reducing them really makes the tree/race impotent.

Along with many others who have indicated similar feelings -- please don't nerf this -- or at least nerf it so hard! Increase the timer but leave the number of heals.

[Arcanesnipr]

Some initial feedback, sacred defender looks really fun, was wondering if its possible to swap out ki shout for divine might since paladins generally have intim handled already and divine mights a pretty solid aspect of kotc thats being replaced by this new tree. Stormsinger looks very flavorful, is it intended that theres no magical training enhancement in the tree and expected to be gotten as a feat or from spellsinger? Also please consider adjusting vet status gear before it hits live, paladin gets shield and full plate which is not super handy for the new sacred fist Also does the dark apostate shroud buffs only benefit the shroud from the tree or could it apply to pale master/shadowdancer/warlock undead pact forms

[QuantumFX]

Another bug - It looks like none of my racial past lives (Including Racial Completionist) are applying their bonuses.

[noinfo]

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Would be nice to have more of these things-
Option to make scoundrels cast normally

another QOL would be to make PDK look human.

[BananaHat]

Healing hands nerf is disappointing, I would much prefer it just got a longer recharge or that it got worked in as Lay on Hands charges that could use Wisdom instead of Charisma, similar to how Unyielding Sentinel charges can use Constitution or Charisma. Tying into Lay on Hands and being able to make use of the upgrades either through Paladin or Unyielding Sentinel seems like it would be a good change that is still supported through other game mechanics.

The AoV changes are very disappointing. Please leave at least some +CL/MCL in the cores instead of locking MCL behind Tier 5. I think Tier 5 for AoV is lackluster overall and unable to compete with the healing wall from beacon. I end up going with all the AoV cores and Tier 5 beacon and the character is pretty fun. Now it seems like a core aspect of the character (offensive divine casting) is going to be gutted along with dropping the damage on the alignment attack spells. I do decent damage where I feel like it is worthwhile to contribute through offensive casting, but still not even close to some of the numbers I hear weapon users say they do (never gotten close to a 6 digit number).

If you are taking away a large chunk of the FvS's damage, perhaps you can make more of those combo healing and damaging spells that are popping up like Fatesingers can get with the shouts or divine wrath. Maybe give divine spells or enhancement trees some of that favored bard treatment because the Stormsinger is going to do an amazing job healing parties while blasting the monsters at the same time. Maybe Sunbolt and Flame Strike can heal for 10% of it's damage output as a new addition to the AoV cores?

[GramercyRiff]

Is Righteous Command ever going to benefit from the increase in caster level and mcl that every other spell gets? With every update and patch I see so many things getting fixed which is great, but this one never gets fixed.

Subclasses are a great addition to this game. It's a shame they're coming so late to the party. It's also a shame for me personally that the three being introduced aren't interesting to me at all. I don't really play the game much anymore though.

[Don1966]

so my heroic completionist cleric managed to lose the heroic completionist feat but did get the respec feat during the copy to Lam. did his last etr and releveled to 32, no heroic completionest feat granted at level 3. somehow managed to lose 4 permanent destiny points as well.

[Seph1roth5]

So fvs aov is being nerfed because numbers show a lot of people play them? But is there info on where or why they play them? Are they stomping through r10s, are people making them at lv 15 to run challenges? Are people using them to tr over and over again from 1-20? I know they're strong but don't think they're #1....

[GramercyRiff]

Also yeah don't nerf Aasimar healing hands come on. If you need to nerf it for HC just have it function this nerfed way on HC server. You probably should do that in general. Have one rule set for HC and one set for regular game. HC is a significantly different game so it makes sense.

Of course, it's possible nerfed healing hands makes more sense because of more changes in the future. I still don't like my preferred version of the game being designed for a version of the game (aka HC) I dislike a lot.

[mikarddo]

Class population and popularity is not a 1:1 correlation with how badly something needs a balance adjustment; it never has been.

That very much is a wise truth. However, being OP as FvS definitely are (for leveling, at endgame and on HC - I have played one and played alongside others including on R10 at cap). So, there is no denying that a nerf is in order and most players knew it was coming. A very strong fellow player said just the other day "I guess I will remain a FvS till they nerf it, its just too good to not do so".

However, nerfing something from OP back to lackluster is not a reasonable approach. Nerfing CL, MCL and Alignment spells, and nerfing all of them HARD means you are going overboard. Please consider a more moderate nerf so "light/fire caster FvS" is still viable. With the proposed nerfs is most definitely is not.

[Nickodeamous]

I think there are 2 main changes here that are just bad.

1. Nerf to Aasimar healing hands - 100% unneeded. This is the second nerf to Aasimar healing hands btw. First was the healing amount, which took a bit hit a few years back. Now, its about the number and regenerating factors. The play (to my tin-foil mind) here seems to be to slow down players so they have to shrine more, which eats up XP pots. The secondary play could be to make Aasimar less attractive to sell newer races. This one looks purely like a business decision. I don't see the reasoning other than to make healing harder to come by for everyone that plays aasimar.

Solution: reduce from 7 to 5 instead of 7 to 4. Give 1 per core. 7 is too many, 4 is too few. 5 sounds right.

2. Nerf to FVS - 50% needed. Listen, FVS is ridiculous when it comes to HC league. We all know it. You literally cant die and you one shot most things...BUT, to do it after the start of HCL is just mean! I think you leave 50% of the caster levels/etc in the tree. Don't use a SLEDGEHAMMER, use a scalpel. I will say that I had a FVS at lev 10 die to a bugged hound in the first week of HCL 6. I was loaded with gear from feywild. I was upset, but now, I am again running up another FVS. If I get hit with a nerf midway through the season...well, that's just not a good feeling.

Solution: postpone the nerf until after HCL. Do all the other fun stuff, like adding the sub-classes (although handwrap pally just seems odd to monk players like myself...lol), fixing bugs, etc, but if you are gonna nerf these things, take a step back and realize that during HCL is not optimal for goodwill with the player base.

Just my tin-foli/2 cents
Nico

[Oxarhamar]

Grace periods are only useful for exploiters.

This

Removed this exploit was a solid move

[Oxarhamar]

That very much is a wise truth. However, being OP as FvS definitely are (for leveling, at endgame and on HC - I have played one and played alongside others including on R10 at cap). So, there is no denying that a nerf is in order and most players knew it was coming. A very strong fellow player said just the other day "I guess I will remain a FvS till they nerf it, its just too good to not do so".

However, nerfing something from OP back to lackluster is not a reasonable approach. Nerfing CL, MCL and Alignment spells, and nerfing all of them HARD means you are going overboard. Please consider a more moderate nerf so "light/fire caster FvS" is still viable. With the proposed nerfs is most definitely is not.

I agree with that but that's long been the standard

Either nerfs hit hard or they are too broad and hit things that didn't need nerf leaving the op thinks still op

[lvl20wizzyman]

Came back to the game a month ago grabbed both expansions capped 2 other toons to farm out endgame fvs and now they're going to be completely worthless like sorcerer's were made before I left last time.. really good approach of let's sink all resources into hardcore while the main game suffers and gets neglected more and more as time goes on and then come back to it only to completely change metas and things that have been recently buffed into usefulness or been in the game for so long why would you bother to change it now