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    Default Why did Zarigan's Arcane Enlightment filigree set bonus change?

    For those unaware...

    OLD:
    • 2 Pieces: -10% Arcane Spell Failure
      3 Pieces: +1 to your Transmutation and Conjuration DCs
      4 Pieces: +1 to your Enchantment and Necromancy DCs

    NEW:
    • 2 Pieces: -10% Arcane Spell Failure
      3 Pieces: +20 Force Spellpower
      4 Pieces: +1 All Spell DCs
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    Hey, it did! And retrospectively on existing filigrees too - I just checked mine.

    This suggests the devs don't see it as a buff or they'd have only made it work with new filigrees.

    My guess is they want to push spell DCs out to the 4th piece of a set only. Maybe they want to encourage people to use Lunar Magic which gives +1DC for 3 pieces? AFAIK that's now the only set giving DCs for a 3 piece set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KrazyKaster View Post
    For those unaware...

    OLD:
    • 2 Pieces: -10% Arcane Spell Failure
      3 Pieces: +1 to your Transmutation and Conjuration DCs
      4 Pieces: +1 to your Enchantment and Necromancy DCs

    NEW:
    • 2 Pieces: -10% Arcane Spell Failure
      3 Pieces: +20 Force Spellpower
      4 Pieces: +1 All Spell DCs
    Ah, this was a funky one - while investigating a report about its set bonus giving the wrong DCs I discovered that the effects were right and the set bonus text was wrong. So I changed the set bonus text to match what the set was actually always giving. So in reality nothing has changed except the tooltip.

    Quote Originally Posted by Katalissa View Post
    Hey, it did! And retrospectively on existing filigrees too - I just checked mine.

    This suggests the devs don't see it as a buff or they'd have only made it work with new filigrees.

    My guess is they want to push spell DCs out to the 4th piece of a set only. Maybe they want to encourage people to use Lunar Magic which gives +1DC for 3 pieces? AFAIK that's now the only set giving DCs for a 3 piece set.
    Nope, nothing to do with a buff or a nerf. And why would we only make it work with new filigree? That'd be weird :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynnabel View Post
    Nope, nothing to do with a buff or a nerf. And why would we only make it work with new filigree? That'd be weird :P
    Historically, when positive changes have been made to items, there was a requirement such as a Stone of Change recipe to upgrade to the new version, while changes that are detrimental (such as the reductions to expanded crit range bows) they have been universal and retroactive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artos_Fabril View Post
    Historically, when positive changes have been made to items, there was a requirement such as a Stone of Change recipe to upgrade to the new version, while changes that are detrimental (such as the reductions to expanded crit range bows) they have been universal and retroactive.
    Whether or not an item changes in place actually depends on what specifically is being changed For example, changing an item's critical profile can be done very easily and the change propagates automatically to all versions of the item in circulation. However, changing which effects are on an item requires the item to be destroyed and re-created for the proper effects to be applied. This distinction is probably where that misconception comes from. Hope that helps!
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    would it be possible to make this back the way it was?


    i mean change it to +1 conj and trans at 3 then necro and whatever at 4?


    or is it that you are considering it op?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobgoblin51 View Post
    would it be possible to make this back the way it was?


    i mean change it to +1 conj and trans at 3 then necro and whatever at 4?


    or is it that you are considering it op?
    As Lynn has mentioned:
    Quote Originally Posted by Lynnabel View Post
    Ah, this was a funky one - while investigating a report about its set bonus giving the wrong DCs I discovered that the effects were right and the set bonus text was wrong. So I changed the set bonus text to match what the set was actually always giving. So in reality nothing has changed except the tooltip.
    So the only "reversion" possible is to give the filigree its wrong tooltip back, which will continue to give false information about this filigree set and go on with confusing all players by using wrong information. I see that as a fat NO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynnabel View Post
    Ah, this was a funky one - while investigating a report about its set bonus giving the wrong DCs I discovered that the effects were right and the set bonus text was wrong. So I changed the set bonus text to match what the set was actually always giving. So in reality nothing has changed except the tooltip.
    Got it! Thank you for the clarification. Was this the only filigree set that had a tooltip update then on its actual bonuses?
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