Content Creators

[Caver]

How can DDO hope to survive when it's so unfriendly to content creators. The website looks like it was designed in 2006.. oh wait it probably was. The only place for creators to post is a buried thread nobody reads because it doesn't support graphics. The DDO fansite page doesn't have Strimtom on it huh. And the creator community doesn't really seem to help advertise each other not sure why. I make 7D2D videos on Youtube and the creator community is friendly and helpful and watches and comments on each others stuff. Maybe I'm missing something or maybe DDO is just to old but I'm kind of shocked.

[Oxarhamar]

How can DDO hope to survive when it's so unfriendly to content creators. The website looks like it was designed in 2006.. oh wait it probably was. The only place for creators to post is a buried thread nobody reads because it doesn't support graphics. The DDO fansite page doesn't have Strimtom on it huh. And the creator community doesn't really seem to help advertise each other not sure why. I make 7D2D videos on Youtube and the creator community is friendly and helpful and watches and comments on each others stuff. Maybe I'm missing something or maybe DDO is just to old but I'm kind of shocked.

Yeah I mean they do open Lama early for creators & Devs make guest appearances on creator content but that’s about it

[Arkat]

How can DDO hope to survive when it's so unfriendly to content creators. The website looks like it was designed in 2006.. oh wait it probably was. The only place for creators to post is a buried thread nobody reads because it doesn't support graphics. The DDO fansite page doesn't have Strimtom on it huh. And the creator community doesn't really seem to help advertise each other not sure why. I make 7D2D videos on Youtube and the creator community is friendly and helpful and watches and comments on each others stuff. Maybe I'm missing something or maybe DDO is just to old but I'm kind of shocked.

The DDO Forums software DOES support graphics. It's just that a decision was made by SSG to "turn off" that support on most parts of the site. I guess they're afraid it might require too much of the Community Manager's time to moderate should folks decide to abuse that feature.

[Caver]

The DDO Forums software DOES support graphics. It's just that a decision was made by SSG to "turn off" that support on most parts of the site. I guess they're afraid it might require too much of the Community Manager's time to moderate should folks decide to abuse that feature.

Wow! Really, that's nuts. How do they ever expect to attract new players with that attitude. Youtube is full of people posting game videos and none are DDO. The Damsels have 122 subscribers and whether you actually watch them or not every DDO player should be subscribed just out of loyalty and there are other creators making videos and they get no support from the community and no recognition from DDO.
You know they asked us to post our HCL videos but not only does nobody post but they don't push them in a way anybody would see them.

[Arkat]

Wow! Really, that's nuts. How do they ever expect to attract new players with that attitude. Youtube is full of people posting game videos and none are DDO. The Damsels have 122 subscribers and whether you actually watch them or not every DDO player should be subscribed just out of loyalty and there are other creators making videos and they get no support from the community and no recognition from DDO.
You know they asked us to post our HCL videos but not only does nobody post but they don't push them in a way anybody would see them.

Wait...do you mean YouTube videos...like this one?



We've been able to post these for years.

[Cordovan]

The forums does support embedding of images and videos hosted elsewhere, let me know more about your issue. You raise a good point about trying to raise the profile of a creator space on the forums, we've had forums for years on them, such as older Creative forums and the Fansite News section, but they are fairly low-traffic. Open to people's thoughts about what they'd want to use and where.

[GeneralDiomedes]

I do all my fan content watching these days on Twitch. The DDO community there is quite lively and supportive.

But as for YouTube videos, I rarely have need to reference them. Builds I prefer to read and the wiki for game knowledge.

[Caver]

The forums does support embedding of images and videos hosted elsewhere, let me know more about your issue. You raise a good point about trying to raise the profile of a creator space on the forums, we've had forums for years on them, such as older Creative forums and the Fansite News section, but they are fairly low-traffic. Open to people's thoughts about what they'd want to use and where.

Ok I've been talking with my wife and here are our suggestions. This may end up long and may get edited multiple times as other people in our family group chime in ( yes we play with a family group of 6 all VIPs) but here goes.

First the creators listing should be at the top of the forums. Somewhere easily found and not buried 2 pages down. It should be promoted by DDO. These people are your primary advertisement and if you support them they could be more.

Secondly you need a clear set of rules for where and what can be posted. We were terribly confused about where to put stuff even after DDO asked for submissions. After we submitted there is nowhere really on the website or the forums where those submissions appeared so we got very few views.

Third #shorts and videos need to be added to the Screenshot of the Week feature to encourage more entertaining and informative content.

Fourth you need to establish a #ddocontent so creators are easy to find and have a clearing house for their content.

Fifth again promote your people. Strimtom and Damsels and Dirty William and Aldbar and Axel and Vooduspyce and many others don't really get much of a mention on the website or the forums.

Ok and now for the community... promote each other and make some entertaining content not just a silent looky I finished this quest solo on R10. Don't be afraid to just be entertaining in a video. Yes I know DDO is arcane and impossible for the uninitiated to understand and the screen is terribly busy and confusing but just turn all the **** off and explain what your doing and have fun.

Ok that's all for now lol.

And oh my goodness it bleeped out the word C*R*A*P. I'm boggled.

[Dark_Lord_Mary]

I create YouTube content about DDO hardcore and have links posted here but I do not see a large % of people coming to me from here, most come from discord or YouTube itself - it would be great if more ddo players were able to find ddo content creators making content, absolutely! I dont think i am listed as a content creator and am not sure how to be.

[Magnus_Arcanis]

Ok and now for the community... promote each other and make some entertaining content not just a silent looky I finished this quest solo on R10. Don't be afraid to just be entertaining in a video. Yes I know DDO is arcane and impossible for the uninitiated to understand and the screen is terribly busy and confusing but just turn all the **** off and explain what your doing and have fun.

Easier said than done to just be entertaining, but I'll try.

[sabella]

Easier said than done to just be entertaining, but I'll try.

I can't wait until I'm brave either That was definitely entertaining LOL Thank you.

[Loriega]

I've been in the online advertising business essentially since its conception.

I never understood the phenomenon of people watching people play instead of playing themselves.
Twitch is an addictive platform. When I stream, and I don't do that very often, I understand people are trying to build lives on there,
I don't pay attention to chat.
Since Twitch started out as Justin TV, a social watching experience of pirated content, I think this is where the essence lies.
People are separated and lonely. But we are social beings.
We need to belong somewhere and we like company.

Those twitch streams are a large chat room, where people talk about whatever, however there's only 1 host.
So instead of everyone getting a shot at chatting, speaking, like at Paltalk, only the host speaks.
And the rest a fools, aka followers, chatees, who usually get ignored by the host because who can play and read chat at the same time all the time,
especially with so many people watching.
So you can buy a voice with money.
I think streaming is the perversion of social interaction.
It's a predatory practice, especially when young people are concerned.

Having a list of "top streamer" names on top of the forum is like giving every beggar a voice.
I'm not denying that some people really do go the extra mile and deliver quality content,
but for every high quality video there are 20 low quality clickbait videos.
For me streamers are beggars. "Thank you mista for the 100", some are so rudely begging, and even polluting the game space.
Take Deathsson who always has his stupid twitch channel ad up on the LFM window.
If you ask him to remove it his followers start harrassing you.
You can report him to Twitch or Daybreak, nothing will happen.
What is more pathetic? Being a beggar or following a beggar and attacking people who don't agree with him?

The problem is, this whole area is unregulated.
Everyone can stream.
Why should you receive extra attention? Why should this company make you their headline?
Yes you'd like to have more viewers who you an exploit that's why you want to be on the top of the forums.
I for one every rarely watch Twitch streams.
If I do, I watch travellers travelling around the globe. A currently very interesting travelling steamer is Jaystreazy, currently in Rome, soon in Greece.
That is content worth subscribing to, even if you then essentially pay the guy to travel instead of doing it yourself.

But game streams? IDGAF.
I like Strimtom, I like Tomcapor but I would never pay for what I can do myself.
Especially I don't want those streams forced into my reality by being on the top of the forum every time I visit.
I'd probably adblock this section if it so appeared.

Having a list of streamers somewhere, sure idc. "Religion is like a *****. It's nice to have one and fine to be proud of. Don't whip it out in public or shove it down someone else's throat." Same goes for streamers. If I want to watch your creations I will find a way, but don't shove it in my face.

[sabella]

I've been in the online advertising business essentially since its conception.

Wow, you sound rather disillusioned with your job. I've been there. I worked as a graphic designer/production artist for years and felt kinda icky pushing brands of paint and juice on people. I moved over to medical and am happier there. Now I flex my creative muscles elsewhere ...sometimes in content creation.

I never understood the phenomenon of people watching people play instead of playing themselves.

Yeah I found that confusing for awhile as well, but really it's just a more active form of entertainment than television. I can stare at TV or I can watch someone play a game I play and pick up hints and be more actively involved even if I don't chat. (I don't really do streams much, mostly because they're too long. I can input a half hour or even an hour. 3 hours? I have too much else to do )

People are separated and lonely. But we are social beings.
We need to belong somewhere and we like company.

Yep and I've watched a small group interact with a streamer and then go off on discord and become a community. They play together and the ones that don't feel comfortable playing often input in other ways. They're friends. Probably a better way to find likeminded people than a bar. Certainly better than folks sitting alone in their rooms never speaking to anyone. And a lot of people I see (because of the community I'm in) are older. If retirees and folks with disabilities find ways to exist online, I'm all for it.

I for one every rarely watch Twitch streams.
If I do, I watch travellers travelling around the globe. A currently very interesting travelling steamer is Jaystreazy, currently in Rome, soon in Greece.
That is content worth subscribing to, even if you then essentially pay the guy to travel instead of doing it yourself.

You do you. I personally like History but ya know we all got interests. Watch whatever you want.

But game streams? IDGAF.
I like Strimtom, I like Tomcapor but I would never pay for what I can do myself.

I felt that way... until I realized I was getting more entertainment value out of the content creators I watch than I was out of my cable subscription. So I turned it off and I send the money I used to spend for that around to folks that are actually entertaining or educating me. If you'd rather corporate, that's a you thing, go ahead.

Especially I don't want those streams forced into my reality by being on the top of the forum every time I visit.
I'd probably adblock this section if it so appeared.

It's nice that you're able to do that and hopefully while you do, there can still be a place for content creators (which includes lots more than twitch streamers.) Mainly because it would be really nice to attract more people to DDO and being involved in the more up-to-date media things is one way to do that.

Same goes for streamers. If I want to watch your creations I will find a way, but don't shove it in my face.

It's really easy to skip something you're not interested in. There are forums sections at the top that I've never once looked at. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't be available for others. I'm *particularly* interested in seeing the "photo" thing expanded to include Video shorts, whether TicToc or YouTube those are really popular right now and lots of fun. And they should be somewhere where people can find them, not relegated to the back row because you think creating content is next thing to standing on street corners handing out pills of some kind. In my opinion, of course.

[LittleLexi]

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Your whole post is really bad take. Maybe you should spend some time watching DDO streamers, because you come across as incredibly presumptuous. While there are content creators out there who do cross over the threshold, where they do start begging, or expecting patronage – they are few and far between, and people tend to see through that sort of icky behaviour. DDO's streaming community, on the other hand, is fantastic. They produce good content and foster a positive environment; resulting in people supporting them because they want to. And I'm quite sure SSG are pleased with the kind of visibility they provide for the game.

As for why Deathy, and other streamers post their Twitch streams in the LFM – did it never cross your mind that they might be doing this so that people who join their LFM's are able to opt in to being on stream? And that not doing so, would be recording people without their consent, which is even more unethical?

There is plenty wrong with Twitch as a platform. Like having become a pseudo smut site, intermingled with being a gaming hub where children would be hanging out. Direct your energy toward them purging that, before going after the good eggs in our basket.