Death smile is recruiting for hcl season vi

[Dark_Lord_Mary]

welcome to season 6

[Dark_Lord_Mary]

I died on Peachy Peach @ lvl 16 with almost 4k favor to the last boss in Toxic Treatment

was lame - alchy heals are way too slow

but no one else died and someone pulled a Tail so not all bad.

[Kayze]

I died on Peachy Peach @ lvl 16 with almost 4k favor to the last boss in Toxic Treatment

was lame - alchy heals are way too slow

but no one else died and someone pulled a Tail so not all bad.

Sorry to hear. Trying the favor run again?

[LittleLexi]

I died on Peachy Peach @ lvl 16 with almost 4k favor to the last boss in Toxic Treatment

was lame - alchy heals are way too slow

but no one else died and someone pulled a Tail so not all bad.

That's really unfortunate After getting so close too! The end fight in that one is notoriously tricky.

You're right that Alch heals are slow, and therefore, a little unwieldy for those clutch moments. This is also why I go for the Panacea SLA in the Apothecary tree. It can be Quickened, and actually heals for an alright amount + removing nasty effects on you.

That you can take solace from no other casualties, and a good loot pull– after what must be incredibly frustrating for you personally– speaks volumes about you. Good volumes

[ananigma80]

"What a horrible practice. I can understand not wanting someone in your guild but trying to blacklist them from the server is vindictive and petty."

Rather depends on why they were removed. Suppose they deliberately got groups wiped and laughed at how much fun that was? Suppose they stole from other members and responded "haha you can't do anything to me".

Wouldn't you want your guild leader to know when they applied to your guild?

I completely agree if someone has such an attitude towards other players in the game; however, they are probably on an alt and just don't care. Let's be frankfully honest though, this is NOT how rumors about players gets started. The first day of Hardcore, there are people posting an LFM commenting about how "xxx" player wiped their group or "xxx" guild kicked them so don't join this guild. I have played this game since launch and the worst practice in this game is by those who go out of there way to try to blacklist a player because they had a bad experience with them in group/game.They seem to forget that when you PUG, you might be the most experienced and skilled player in the group and get matched with someone who is new, less experienced and makes a mistake. In hardcore, this is exasperated if you end up dying because of whatever they might have done and people will make up an excuse to blame anyone but themselves. Word of wisdom here, if you are as experienced as you say and you have to PUG, PREPARE FOR THIS SCENERIO. I carry a Rod of Teleport for this exact reason, I am prepared to immediately get out of such a scenerio that is getting out of control.

Matter of fact, this exact scenerio happened yesterday in a PUG Von Raid. I am not leading this unit so I am waiting for instruction on which pillar to go to. I am asked over voice chat if I can do ice and I agree I can but it's been a few years since doing this raid, so to be clear I ask for confirmation on which direction it is located. I am told to the left. After another person in raid, says in chat go to Air. Ever heard the expression, "too many chiefs, not enough indians"? Only 1 person needs to direct and that should be clear to everyone. Before I can even ask again cause I got 2 different people telling me to go to 2 different islands, people say go and run off cause 45 minutes apparently isn't enough time to make sure everyone understands where and what to do. I head towards Ice, expecting if I need to go to Air. That is just the next island. I get to Ice and knock Pillar down to ~50%, then Ice Flenzors spawn and the Wizard I am with casts Ice Storm on the pillar. I knew at this point, we will likely have a reset and I am NOT blaming the wizard cause he/she was probably under the impression they were doing Ice and I was Air but considering that couldn't be cleared up first. MASS CONFUSION!! After the Ice Flenzors are dealt with, I look over at the Ice Pillar and it's at sliver of health and no one has called to knock em down yet. I look at the map and see, 5 on Fire, 2 on Ice, and 1 on Air. Moments later and before I can make a decision to head over to Air, Ice Hound spawns at Ice so I immediately grab it with Intimidate (Mind you my build is a Tank). As me and this Ice Hound are going toe-to-toe, the Ice Flenzors start respawning and the Wizard is tryin to kite one kangaroo hopping around the island while telling me he will tank and wants me to kill the Hound. I don't know if they noticed or were unaware, they are carrying 2 sticks wearing a robe and I am a Barb in fullplate with a tower shield. Should have been me tanking and them DPSing the hound. As I am fighting the hound, and this is 10 Elite; the hound is not dying fast enough and it is starting to knock off my Blood Tribute as fast as I can reapply it and the other 2 Ice Flenzors are on the way. I knew if I either got frozen by the Ice Flenzors or the Hound managed to trip me. We are both dead. Oh **** button activated and I teleport back to the market. I had over 350 HP when I hit it and by the time I loaded into the Market, I was at 20 health and the Wizard was dead. Knowing the wizard is dead I am sympathic. Best I can do is apologize it chat to the whole raid, and explain I had to teleport out. One person did understand...

After the Raid was abandoned, a few people began expressing their frustration in chat. I completely understand and I personally don't like seeing anyone die on Hardcore especially once they reach that level and likely have been favor farming. It truly sucks. One comment struck me because they claimed people shouldn't be there if they didn't know what they were doing. I didn't know who it was referring to but I did ask for confirmation which side was Ice and I was on the island that failed and consequently someone died at. Nobody asked me what happened or expressed any issue directly with me... I know this raid as I used to host and lead PUG raids back on Lhazaar in '06 for people who didn't have a guild who ran or just wanted to have some fun. Video Proof from '06 as my account says I joined in '13: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVhwnAFJ9RY&t=207s

Later, I see another LFM for the Raid and decide to give it another shot. I noticed a few people in the group were from the previous raid. I join and immediately everyone says they gotta log. I GET IT!! I noticed the person leading the raid is from Death Smile (not saying who it is because that is ignorant) but I ask in PM "what happened?" and they do not respond. Ok they might be AFK so I head to their location and after a minute they immediately run off, again not answering my PM. Maybe they didn't see it...

I didn't come looking for Death Smile to call anyone out or the Guild. I have run with many of Death Smiles members during HC seasons and they have been good people. Mary, I don't know personally but his name and his contribution to the community is well known to me as many others know. This post did strike a nerve with me because HC reminds me of 06 when grouping with PUGs which I enjoy alot. I personally don't care if I run with the most experienced who will zerk a dungeon while my toon just gets exercise running behind them or a complete newbie who I have to watch and make sure they are ok. Personally during this HC season I rerolled my toon after seeing many people pwnd by hounds on the first day, so anyone who has run with me knows I always stick with the group and if someone gets lost or needs help I am constantly trying to be aware of that. I am not DPS, I am trying to fill the role of the Shepard in group to help make sure people survive. I know the more experienced can kill the hound long before it takes a bite out of anyone but PUGing, sometimes you have someone who is more squishy and my goal was to protect those players. The Von raid was a failure partially on myself because the person with me didn't make it. However, it would of been worse for me to immediately abandon the wizard at Ice with the hound because "one person" as far as I know thought I should have been at Air instead.

Things can and will go wrong in PUGs and in any MMO, the word "griefing" is loosely thrown around and blacklisting people. It may not be the person reading this comment who does this, but the practice of doing this is common. Personally my opinion and I do believe it is 100% correct is there are always 2 sides to a story and there is a common expression "Dont attribute to malice what can be easily explained as incompetence". If you don't have all the facts, don't be the high school drama queen who goes and tell all your buddies a bunch of subjective bullcrap. Saying you will spread word amongst the community about a player and their actions to me is incredible disheartening.

[Kayze]

I carry a Rod of Teleport for this exact reason, I am prepared to immediately get out of such a scenerio that is getting out of control.

No one wants to play with someone that only tries to save themselves in a bad situation.

I understand in this particular instance that you may have very well died along with that other person. However, from other people's perspectives, it feels like you left the other person behind to die, eliminating the risk to yourself. Maybe you both would have lived if you fought with him. Maybe you could have used voice chat to say, "Hey, let me pull the hound off with intimidate so you can safely dps it down."

[ananigma80]

No one wants to play with someone that only tries to save themselves in a bad situation.

I understand in this particular instance that you may have very well died along with that other person. However, from other people's perspectives, it feels like you left the other person behind to die, eliminating the risk to yourself. Maybe you both would have lived if you fought with him. Maybe you could have used voice chat to say, "Hey, let me pull the hound off with intimidate so you can safely dps it down."

I agree and I wouldn't expect them to either. However, my point is going and telling the community their perspective that I abandoned them to die would not be true. I had the Hound the entire time so it wasn't like the hound spawned and I bailed, I fought all the way to the point when the hound had already stacked several debuffs on me and I was up to over 10 stacks of Blood Tribute. The last hit I took from the hound was for over 300 damage. If I didn't port, we both die. Regardless of whether I ported out, the Wizard was already dead. So its not like me staying would have prevented their death. The next use of Blood Tribute wouldn't have been enough to survive another hit from the hound, I just wasnt there for it to hit that final time before turning and killing the Wizard after. The last hit wasted my tribute and left me with 20 health so the best I would have is 170 HP with over 300 damage coming in. So in truth, I stayed and fought to the very last moment especially considering a trip or freeze was definitely coming so even me getting out was due to a bit of luck.

I can definitely see their perspective as such, but my point is there are always 2 sides to the story. I don't think it should be a requirement for me to have died as well, or that I am responsible for their death in anyway. I did my best to succeed as I am sure they did as well, but we were doomed. My point is scenerios like this don't make anyone a griefer and people are quick to assigning fault in something like HC season. Which is totally understandable but like the comment I responded, "It depends on what they did". I certainly didn't laugh about it. It really sucks so see anyone lose their character. I just disagree with the support of going out into the community and blacklisting someone because of a terrible scenerio. Maybe cause if I was on the other side and asked the person why they ported out, I would understand. Anger and upset, absolutely but I wouldn't go and destroy their reputation especially without talking to them beforehand. My only death this season was a 3-man with a cleric who didn't heal me the entire dungeon as I walked around with 1/3 of my health. Then a Hound spawned and still didn't heal me. Do I think it would be right to publicly shame this perosn to the community? For me, no. The player was a complete newb and didn't know any better and I wasn't proper prepared with a way to heal myself as it was in Heyton's Rest.

[Kayze]

I agree and I wouldn't expect them to either. However, my point is going and telling the community their perspective that I abandoned them to die would not be true.

Yes, there are two sides to every story.

However, your behavior set a perceived precedent, whether true or not: when excrement hits the air conditioning, you will be focused on getting out of there instead of trying to help out. Maybe that perception stems from inherent human selfishness. But on a server like hardcore where much of individual survival depends on communal altruism and generosity, that self-serving attitude is near anathema and will not make you many friends.

[ananigma80]

Yes, there are two sides to every story.

However, your behavior set a perceived precedent, whether true or not: when excrement hits the air conditioning, you will be focused on getting out of there instead of trying to help out. Maybe that perception stems from inherent human selfishness. But on a server like hardcore where much of individual survival depends on communal altruism and generosity, that self-serving attitude is near anathema and will not make you many friends.

You are right and I agree it is perceived precedent which takes rank here. However I also have to acknowledge that for the opposite perceptive that is true as well. Demanding that if I died then the person with me should also have died as well is neither altruistic, nor generous and how is it an acceptable attitude? Again I don't disagree with this perspective and I obviously care about this issue otherwise I wouldn't have spend my time ranting about it. I am not excusing my behavior and in the comment I responded to, I didn't find someone dying funny. It sucks. My issue is with the communal blacklisting of a player because you feel they didn't perform in way you think they should have. That if the ship is sinking, you have to go down with it as well otherwise you are NOT a teamplayer. If this was the case, then if anyone dies in your party and there was anything in hindsight you could have done to prevent it. /death is always an option to preserve your dignity to the community. In reality, nobody is stepping up to perch themselves on that moral highground and I certainly wouldn't expect them to do so either.

Again, that is not my attitude and I find it hard to believe it is anyone's attitude. On Hardcore, we are all working together to try to reach our goals and we work together. Like I said, I enjoy working together with the group and it is how I approach the MMOS even outside of ddo/hardcore. I don't enjoy tanking as much as DPS but I have dedicated my time to playing a role that helps support the party. To feel the community imply that I have a self-serving attitude is misplaced. Which each has their own opinion, and I am by no means perfect. I made the decision I did with the information I had, I publicly owned up to it as an example of what some are willing to grief others for. To go to other members of the community in an effort to ruin someone's else enjoyment of the game simply because you feel you were "wronged" by said player is griefing them and an act of vengance, not generosity or altruism.

[ananigma80]

Since I do believe the verdict that using the rod of teleport to save myself was self-serving and I left a party member to die. I decided to kill Littlebear. I only got about halfway to 5k favor but for me that is alot of work, maybe not for some but he is been here since the first few days of hardcore for me. I let others down and if the community believes that was selfish then there is no point in letting this toon continue. I didn't bank any of his gear and only did a single quest after Von. He died with everything he had that day. Here's a video to prove it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk5dG84qGrA

GL everyone I hope you reach your goals and I am sorry to those I let down.

[Mindos]

Since I do believe the verdict that using the rod of teleport to save myself was self-serving and I left a party member to die. I decided to kill Littlebear.

Littlebear did nothing wrong. Love live Littlebear!

Next time, fortify thine temperament, and buy a namechange token.

[Kayze]

Since I do believe the verdict that using the rod of teleport to save myself was self-serving and I left a party member to die. I decided to kill Littlebear.

I think committing suicide after that incident is an extreme response.As Mindos implied, reputation is tied to a name. A namechange token is a way to start a new tale for 995 ddo points.

[ananigma80]

Littlebear did nothing wrong. Love live Littlebear!

Next time, fortify thine temperament, and buy a namechange token.

I think committing suicide after that incident is an extreme response.As Mindos implied, reputation is tied to a name. A namechange token is a way to start a new tale for 995 ddo points.

Thank you, but Littlebear isn't changing for anything. She will live on in whatever Server I decide to continue her story on...

Sure, I could have gotten a name change token but I try to live by principle. If there is a black cloud over the name Littlebear, it is not in my character to hide myself under a different alias. It would of felt decieving and wrong to continue to play that character on this server. You made a good point Kayze, if the Hardcore standard is that Littlebear should of died that day and I broke some unwritten rule or code of conduct. I've done what I can do correct my mistake and be fair. Now the argument I only care about my own selfish ambitions is resolved.

[Kayze]

[ananigma80]

Awesome movie, true quote.

They also say, "You can do it right a 1000 times but the first time you do it wrong, all those prior times will quickly be forgotten."

[Orangine]

I completely agree if someone has such an attitude towards other players in the game; however, they are probably on an alt and just don't care. Let's be frankfully honest though, this is NOT how rumors about players gets started. The first day of Hardcore, there are people posting an LFM commenting about how "xxx" player wiped their group or "xxx" guild kicked them so don't join this guild. I have played this game since launch and the worst practice in this game is by those who go out of there way to try to blacklist a player because they had a bad experience with them in group/game.They seem to forget that when you PUG, you might be the most experienced and skilled player in the group and get matched with someone who is new, less experienced and makes a mistake. In hardcore, this is exasperated if you end up dying because of whatever they might have done and people will make up an excuse to blame anyone but themselves. Word of wisdom here, if you are as experienced as you say and you have to PUG, PREPARE FOR THIS SCENERIO. I carry a Rod of Teleport for this exact reason, I am prepared to immediately get out of such a scenerio that is getting out of control.

Matter of fact, this exact scenerio happened yesterday in a PUG Von Raid. I am not leading this unit so I am waiting for instruction on which pillar to go to. I am asked over voice chat if I can do ice and I agree I can but it's been a few years since doing this raid, so to be clear I ask for confirmation on which direction it is located. I am told to the left. After another person in raid, says in chat go to Air. Ever heard the expression, "too many chiefs, not enough indians"? Only 1 person needs to direct and that should be clear to everyone. Before I can even ask again cause I got 2 different people telling me to go to 2 different islands, people say go and run off cause 45 minutes apparently isn't enough time to make sure everyone understands where and what to do. I head towards Ice, expecting if I need to go to Air. That is just the next island. I get to Ice and knock Pillar down to ~50%, then Ice Flenzors spawn and the Wizard I am with casts Ice Storm on the pillar. I knew at this point, we will likely have a reset and I am NOT blaming the wizard cause he/she was probably under the impression they were doing Ice and I was Air but considering that couldn't be cleared up first. MASS CONFUSION!! After the Ice Flenzors are dealt with, I look over at the Ice Pillar and it's at sliver of health and no one has called to knock em down yet. I look at the map and see, 5 on Fire, 2 on Ice, and 1 on Air. Moments later and before I can make a decision to head over to Air, Ice Hound spawns at Ice so I immediately grab it with Intimidate (Mind you my build is a Tank). As me and this Ice Hound are going toe-to-toe, the Ice Flenzors start respawning and the Wizard is tryin to kite one kangaroo hopping around the island while telling me he will tank and wants me to kill the Hound. I don't know if they noticed or were unaware, they are carrying 2 sticks wearing a robe and I am a Barb in fullplate with a tower shield. Should have been me tanking and them DPSing the hound. As I am fighting the hound, and this is 10 Elite; the hound is not dying fast enough and it is starting to knock off my Blood Tribute as fast as I can reapply it and the other 2 Ice Flenzors are on the way. I knew if I either got frozen by the Ice Flenzors or the Hound managed to trip me. We are both dead. Oh **** button activated and I teleport back to the market. I had over 350 HP when I hit it and by the time I loaded into the Market, I was at 20 health and the Wizard was dead. Knowing the wizard is dead I am sympathic. Best I can do is apologize it chat to the whole raid, and explain I had to teleport out. One person did understand...

After the Raid was abandoned, a few people began expressing their frustration in chat. I completely understand and I personally don't like seeing anyone die on Hardcore especially once they reach that level and likely have been favor farming. It truly sucks. One comment struck me because they claimed people shouldn't be there if they didn't know what they were doing. I didn't know who it was referring to but I did ask for confirmation which side was Ice and I was on the island that failed and consequently someone died at. Nobody asked me what happened or expressed any issue directly with me... I know this raid as I used to host and lead PUG raids back on Lhazaar in '06 for people who didn't have a guild who ran or just wanted to have some fun. Video Proof from '06 as my account says I joined in '13: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVhwnAFJ9RY&t=207s

Later, I see another LFM for the Raid and decide to give it another shot. I noticed a few people in the group were from the previous raid. I join and immediately everyone says they gotta log. I GET IT!! I noticed the person leading the raid is from Death Smile (not saying who it is because that is ignorant) but I ask in PM "what happened?" and they do not respond. Ok they might be AFK so I head to their location and after a minute they immediately run off, again not answering my PM. Maybe they didn't see it...

I didn't come looking for Death Smile to call anyone out or the Guild. I have run with many of Death Smiles members during HC seasons and they have been good people. Mary, I don't know personally but his name and his contribution to the community is well known to me as many others know. This post did strike a nerve with me because HC reminds me of 06 when grouping with PUGs which I enjoy alot. I personally don't care if I run with the most experienced who will zerk a dungeon while my toon just gets exercise running behind them or a complete newbie who I have to watch and make sure they are ok. Personally during this HC season I rerolled my toon after seeing many people pwnd by hounds on the first day, so anyone who has run with me knows I always stick with the group and if someone gets lost or needs help I am constantly trying to be aware of that. I am not DPS, I am trying to fill the role of the Shepard in group to help make sure people survive. I know the more experienced can kill the hound long before it takes a bite out of anyone but PUGing, sometimes you have someone who is more squishy and my goal was to protect those players. The Von raid was a failure partially on myself because the person with me didn't make it. However, it would of been worse for me to immediately abandon the wizard at Ice with the hound because "one person" as far as I know thought I should have been at Air instead.

Things can and will go wrong in PUGs and in any MMO, the word "griefing" is loosely thrown around and blacklisting people. It may not be the person reading this comment who does this, but the practice of doing this is common. Personally my opinion and I do believe it is 100% correct is there are always 2 sides to a story and there is a common expression "Dont attribute to malice what can be easily explained as incompetence". If you don't have all the facts, don't be the high school drama queen who goes and tell all your buddies a bunch of subjective bullcrap. Saying you will spread word amongst the community about a player and their actions to me is incredible disheartening.

You did what felt right for you at the moment.
You don't owe anybody anything and it's not your job to save everyone. We are all grown-ups. Save yourself first if you can.
Seems like there was poor logistic in your group in the first place and that is the root cause of the wizard's death.
Sometimes people will blame you but they don't have the full context. It doesn't matter what they think and there are so many other players which you can group with.
Don't worry too much about it and don't kill your character or change your name just because of some random people on a forum make you feel bad about what happened.

[Karthunk]

No one wants to play with someone that only tries to save themselves in a bad situation.

I understand in this particular instance that you may have very well died along with that other person. However, from other people's perspectives, it feels like you left the other person behind to die, eliminating the risk to yourself. Maybe you both would have lived if you fought with him. Maybe you could have used voice chat to say, "Hey, let me pull the hound off with intimidate so you can safely dps it down."

It's hardcore. No one wants to sacrifice themselves so they start the favor grind all over again.

[ananigma80]

You did what felt right for you at the moment.
You don't owe anybody anything and it's not your job to save everyone. We are all grown-ups. Save yourself first if you can.
Seems like there was poor logistic in your group in the first place and that is the root cause of the wizard's death.
Sometimes people will blame you but they don't have the full context. It doesn't matter what they think and there are so many other players which you can group with.
Don't worry too much about it and don't kill your character or change your name just because of some random people on a forum make you feel bad about what happened.

You called it right in my opinion. It wasn't meant to be about what I did, right or wrong. My issue is with griefing players in the game by blacklisting them for reasons such as the one I used from my own gameplay experience. I really enjoy Hardcore because it's fresh and reminds me of a time in DDO where grouping with other players was part of the excitement. I haven't logged in since I let my character go. It isn't enjoyable for me if I have to worry about joining a PUG and I might be apart of someone (including myself) getting blacklisted because of a mistake. I understand everyone has different levels of seriousness they take the game and that only increases the closer everyone gets to their goal and 5k for alot of people is a tough achievement. Nothing against those who do, I completely understand where they are coming from. It was something I was working to achieve myself but right now, that particular view in the Hardcore community isn't a good fit for me.

[Orangine]

You called it right in my opinion. It wasn't meant to be about what I did, right or wrong. My issue is with griefing players in the game by blacklisting them for reasons such as the one I used from my own gameplay experience. I really enjoy Hardcore because it's fresh and reminds me of a time in DDO where grouping with other players was part of the excitement. I haven't logged in since I let my character go. It isn't enjoyable for me if I have to worry about joining a PUG and I might be apart of someone (including myself) getting blacklisted because of a mistake. I understand everyone has different levels of seriousness they take the game and that only increases the closer everyone gets to their goal and 5k for alot of people is a tough achievement. Nothing against those who do, I completely understand where they are coming from. It was something I was working to achieve myself but right now, that particular view in the Hardcore community isn't a good fit for me.

I grouped once or twice with Littlebear and you are good player. Don't forget this is an online video game and some people will blacklist or flame you over the most insignificant thing. I made a mistake in Immortality Lesson, I picked up the wrong item by mistake because of misclick. Some guy was furious and was freaking out. He insulted me and said he would report me. Guess what? I still made it to 5k favors and 20 reaper points. One bad experience with a particular guy or group didn't hinder my progression a single bit. There are so many players around and there are plenty of room for forgiveness. There are so many players and nobody will remember your mistake the next day except maybe one or two overzealous insignificant guys. Don't take it too seriously and don't punish yourself too harshly for a mistake.

I know it sucks to hear that, but you need to have a thicker skin when playing online games. Some people don't care a single bit if they die meanwhile others play like their whole life depends on it. Everyone, and I mean literally everyone, will make a mistake at some point resulting in one or two guys flaming at them. You learned the hard way. But next time, please don't delete your character over that. Don't come on this forum seeking forgiveness either. I've witnessed some terrible responses. Instead, just take a few days break and let the steam cool down then come back fresh.

Wish you the best man and I hope you can make it back.

[LittleLexi]

I second what Orangine said above.

As someone that does try her hardest to ensure everyone survives, and is having a good time of it in the party(to my own expense) – even I have escape tools on my hotbar in case the situation goes awry. Thankfully, I haven't had to use them, and my first instinct would always be to survey the situation to see if it can be rectified, or if not– that others can also make it out. And it sounds like you tried to do so. But it's Hardcore, and if you really were that close to death yourself– I wouldn't fault you at all for bailing at that moment.

No one plays perfectly in every given situation either. I know I've fumbled my keys a few times in dire circumstances. So don't fret. Don't worry about people blacklisting you impetuously. And don't feel guilty. Just take a deep breath, grab a cup of tea, try surround yourself with like-minded people, and have another go