One thing from HCL that should be the rule on all servers.

[fatherpirate]

Not what most folks would think,
but it is this.

When you create an iconic character, you should have the option
at creation to leave it as a lvl 15 (like it already is)
or start it as a level 1, 4, or 7 like all other characters. (if you have that unlocked of course)

BEFORE I GET SWAMPED WITH --- You can already do that by just
keeping track of all your exp manually blah blah blah.

Why should I have to manually do any of that if I want a lvl 1 Deep gnome?
They ALREADY do it in HCL .... it is easy
and yes, you can create one in HCL and save it for the end of the event
and transfer it over ect .... blah blah blah .... WHY?

It should just be an option on character creation.
Whatever reason they had for not allowing originally ended when they
started allowing it on HCL and allowed those toons to transfer over.

[Oxarhamar]

Not what most folks would think,
but it is this.

When you create an iconic character, you should have the option
at creation to leave it as a lvl 15 (like it already is)
or start it as a level 1, 4, or 7 like all other characters. (if you have that unlocked of course)

BEFORE I GET SWAMPED WITH --- You can already do that by just
keeping track of all your exp manually blah blah blah.

Why should I have to manually do any of that if I want a lvl 1 Deep gnome?
They ALREADY do it in HCL .... it is easy
and yes, you can create one in HCL and save it for the end of the event
and transfer it over ect .... blah blah blah .... WHY?

It should just be an option on character creation.
Whatever reason they had for not allowing originally ended when they
started allowing it on HCL and allowed those toons to transfer over.

Yeah you already can start at any level up to 15 & there is no reason to keep track of XP manually as you can take level at anytime

I use them at level 1 to run with friends who TR & I level whenever they do easy enough

I also like to start them at 14 to get some quests that I’d otherwise be getting penalized by being 15

You don’t need the game to enforce special rules if you want to follow them just go for it

[boredGamer]

Yeah you already can start at any level up to 15 & there is no reason to keep track of XP manually as you can take level at anytime

I use them at level 1 to run with friends who TR & I level whenever they do easy enough

I also like to start them at 14 to get some quests that I’d otherwise be getting penalized by being 15

You don’t need the game to enforce special rules if you want to follow them just go for it

I ?think? The point is so you can earn racial with iconic as opposed to just playing iconic from level 1. It makes sense to me, I’ve asked for this as well.

[kmoustakas]

Not what most folks would think,
but it is this.

When you create an iconic character, you should have the option
at creation to leave it as a lvl 15 (like it already is)
or start it as a level 1, 4, or 7 like all other characters. (if you have that unlocked of course)

BEFORE I GET SWAMPED WITH --- You can already do that by just
keeping track of all your exp manually blah blah blah.

Why should I have to manually do any of that if I want a lvl 1 Deep gnome?
They ALREADY do it in HCL .... it is easy
and yes, you can create one in HCL and save it for the end of the event
and transfer it over ect .... blah blah blah .... WHY?

It should just be an option on character creation.
Whatever reason they had for not allowing originally ended when they
started allowing it on HCL and allowed those toons to transfer over.

Agreed, I've been asking it for ages you should be able to play as level 1 if you want without having to jump through hoops

[Kayze]

I ?think? The point is so you can earn racial with iconic as opposed to just playing iconic from level 1. It makes sense to me, I’ve asked for this as well.

You still can't racially reincarnate on an iconic in hardcore.

[Oxarhamar]

I ?think? The point is so you can earn racial with iconic as opposed to just playing iconic from level 1. It makes sense to me, I’ve asked for this as well.

That is something else entirely

[Oxarhamar]

Agreed, I've been asking it for ages you should be able to play as level 1 if you want without having to jump through hoops

Only time you have to jump thru hoops is if you wanted to start at with a different class otherwise there is really no barrier to doing so

[boredGamer]

That is something else entirely

Hence the request, as far as I can tell.

[Kayze]

Hence the request, as far as I can tell.

No.

fatherpirate wants to start an iconic character with no experience points so that the character could be leveled up through quests the normal way without holding levels.

[mikarddo]

One thing that should be a rule on the forum....

Dont post for "rules" that you can easily just maintain yourself.

[Oxarhamar]

One thing that should be a rule on the forum....

Dont post for "rules" that you can easily just maintain yourself.

A rule against rules +1

[misterski]

Not what most folks would think,
but it is this.

When you create an iconic character, you should have the option
at creation to leave it as a lvl 15 (like it already is)
or start it as a level 1, 4, or 7 like all other characters. (if you have that unlocked of course)

BEFORE I GET SWAMPED WITH --- You can already do that by just
keeping track of all your exp manually blah blah blah.

Why should I have to manually do any of that if I want a lvl 1 Deep gnome?
They ALREADY do it in HCL .... it is easy
and yes, you can create one in HCL and save it for the end of the event
and transfer it over ect .... blah blah blah .... WHY?

It should just be an option on character creation.
Whatever reason they had for not allowing originally ended when they
started allowing it on HCL and allowed those toons to transfer over.

The one and only reason they do this on HCL is because everyone has to start at level 1. It doesn't make sense to move an HCL only mechanic to the Live servers.

[Valerianus]

The one and only reason they do this on HCL is because everyone has to start at level 1. It doesn't make sense to move an HCL only mechanic to the Live servers.

agree 100%. please let's keep hcl, and whatever related to it, out from our game on live servers. thanks.

[fatherpirate]

and folks wonder why HCL players stopped playing on regular servers.
YUP keep HCL in HCL, you win.

You can stop complaining about when HCL players leave your server
now because HCL stuff (and players) should stay on the HCL server.
We would not want to mix the 2.

no arguments there.

have fun with that

[boredGamer]

No.

fatherpirate wants to start an iconic character with no experience points so that the character could be leveled up through quests the normal way without holding levels.

Meaning you could reincarnate like a normal level 1 character, right ?

[Oxarhamar]

Meaning you could reincarnate like a normal level 1 character, right ?

Dont think so think you are still tied to ITR but havent tried it

Its just limited to lvl 1 due so it can be used in HCL its still Iconic

Try it let us know

[ZJEPane]

I agree. This is one big reason I haven't played iconics on live. It's such a pain!

You either level up to 15, and go back and do a bunch of level 1-4 quests to get CL favor like shooting fish in a barrel, or you have a solid blue xp bar while you do it on level for the challenge. It's just silly.

The way the HC server handles it is a good option. Give them a choice whether they want to start at 1 or 15.

[Kayze]

I agree. This is one big reason I haven't played iconics on live. It's such a pain!

You either level up to 15, and go back and do a bunch of level 1-4 quests to get CL favor like shooting fish in a barrel, or you have a solid blue xp bar while you do it on level for the challenge. It's just silly.

The way the HC server handles it is a good option. Give them a choice whether they want to start at 1 or 15.

If you are 5k favor grinding in hardcore, that solid blue xp bar is going to be your reality starting somewhere between level 7 and 12 depending on what quests you have available.

[ekaterina]

Basically what the OP wants is to expand the number of races that can be used to start characters normally - at level 1. To include purple dragon knight or sun elf or the like. Well ...almost normally if the starting class remains mandatory.

The suggestion has nothing whatsoever to do with the HCL - the OP just mentioned that as proof that it was something technically feasible.

I agree being able to play more races would be a good thing. I have trouble understanding why any player would have a problem with more choices being available.

[Oxarhamar]

Basically what the OP wants is to expand the number of races that can be used to start characters normally - at level 1. To include purple dragon knight or sun elf or the like. Well ...almost normally if the starting class remains mandatory.

The suggestion has nothing whatsoever to do with the HCL - the OP just mentioned that as proof that it was something technically feasible.

I agree being able to play more races would be a good thing. I have trouble understanding why any player would have a problem with more choices being available.

It is contrary to what Iconics are meant to be

As well it’s already possible to start at 1 on regular servers with Iconic