Dark Secret Found in Isle of Dread

[Magnus_Arcanis]

One of the raid dark secrets is: "From the shadows it told me the words. It showed me the symbols." I just had a quick hunt around for Kopru symbols (the simpler ones with the Kopru; not the complicated ones with the humans / Egyptian looking ones).

Using Magnus_Arcanis's transliteration of the 12 Kopru symbols, I always seem to only find the symbol list, and the same three words (written up or down, or left or right mirror'd):

• 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 (length 12)
• 11 9 7 8 3 (length 5)
• 5 1 12 10 9 9 9 7 9 6 2 2 2 (length 13)
• 2 1 9 10 8 6 2 1 12 7 7 6 2 2 (length 14)

The only symbol that doesn't appear to be used outside of the symbol list is "4". I suppose some questions are:

• Has anyone found any other Kopru words?
• What alphabet has 12 letters?
• Is the five letter word Vecna or Kopru?
• Do we have to anagram like in the Vecna names?
• Five symbols is a nice length, are there any kopru symbols in the raid area (I can't easily make it to part three to explore)?
• Are these a complete red herring, and just nice artwork?

I will say, I quite like the artwork.

4 does exist in the example I have attached in the doc.

- There are a few sets around the world. If anyone has good pics, I'll add em to the doc. Though, some are just flipped images of the same thing.
- Rotokas is, to my knowledge, the only real world language that uses 12 letters.
- Unsure what the 5 one is at the moment. With the addition of Demon, those are probably the best guesses.
- Anagram seems likely based on the raid and the triple characters in a row. Sadly it doesn't seem to line up with Rotokas though. For example the 5 letter one would most likely be USPRG. Which... can't make anything useful out of that.
- No Kopru symbols in part 3. Don't think there are any unique ones in the raid though.
- I think there is indeed something to them. Giving us a list of 12 like that screams egg hunt. A key to unlocking their language. Though they may not lead to solving the dark secrets/breaking the pact, but remains one of the bigger mysteries, so maybe.

Edit: Since this is the top post of a new page. Another link to the main doc for easy access!

Isle of Dread Dark Secrets Master Document

[LightBear]

Using Magnus_Arcanis's transliteration of the 12 Kopru symbols, I always seem to only find the symbol list, and the same three words (written up or down, or left or right mirror'd):

• 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 (length 12)
• 11 9 7 8 3 (length 5)
• 5 1 12 10 9 9 9 7 9 6 2 2 2 (length 13)
• 2 1 9 10 8 6 2 1 12 7 7 6 2 2 (length 14)

The only symbol that doesn't appear to be used outside of the symbol list is "4". I suppose some questions are:

• What alphabet has 12 letters?

Hawaiian:
A, E, H, I, K, L, M, N, O, P, U, and W
11 9 7 8 3 = UOMNH

Doesn't make sense to me.


Symbol 5 is a symbol for goddess (maiden, mother, crone) or the waxing of the moons.
Symbol 1 could be the symbol for male

[Kelledren]

Oh, I didn't have it on the doc, but I did try that. Will add it the following:

secret
secrets
dark secret
dark secrets

(tried at all stages of the raid)

But, like everything else, I didn't test them with having someone being on each platform.

Not sure but I think he meant /say (all text from a given dark secret)

Definitely worth a shot on the different platforms before killing Deaths Teeth.

[drunkbarbarian]

I'm sure this is a waste of time, but has anyone torn apart "Tracker's Trap"? Since it takes place in Yarrow Glade.

[LightBear]

There seem to be more than the words given so far.

These can be found in the google document:
1 12 10 9 9 9 7 9 6 2 2 24 1 12 10 9 9 9 7 9 6 2 2 2
2 1 9 10 8 6 2 1 12 7 7 6 2 2

Posted by Xoham:
11 9 7 8 3
5 1 12 10 9 9 9 7 9 6 2 2 2
2 1 9 10 8 6 2 1 12 7 7 6 2 2

Is this the same one cut of early?
5 1 12 10 9 9 9 7 9

Two(?) odd sequences that seem out of place:
2 3 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3 4 5
2 3 4 6 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12

[Magnus_Arcanis]

Not sure but I think he meant /say (all text from a given dark secret)

Definitely worth a shot on the different platforms before killing Deaths Teeth.

That is already mentioned in the doc and indeed has been tried. Again, only as a solo, aka done without folks standing on the 5 platforms.

[FengXian]

This is amazing and genuinely exciting.

I wish we got more of this stuff, although this one seems a bit too hard to figure out. Keep up the great work guys!

[Oliphant]

Could maybe, on platforms:

/say name

either the word name or your toon name.

Maybe a powerful secret to give up (or something).

[LightBear]

I went out to the wild of the isle of dread and waited for it to become night.
Turned out to be a full moon.
The images did not seem different in at night within the light of a full moon.
I was able to see more buildings on the high (unreachable) rim of the isle.
Which also makes me wonder if there is more to see there.

[LightBear]

Running through the Fey, in the quests The Icemount Curse while overhearing all of Hyrsam's meeting , the shadow figure explicitly mentions that The Key is his secret now.

[Magnus_Arcanis]

I know there has been doubt about whether or not there is an alternate ending to Skeletons in the Closest and that one likely carries with it an 2nd end chest. However, last night I discovered something that for me, proves beyond all doubt we're on the right path to solving the riddle of the dark secrets.

I was so excited, I had to put a new video about it!

[Firebreed]

Admirable work!

[LightBear]

It could be as simple as "/say speak" on the platforms while dead.
Or
/Say Y
/Say A
/Say R
/Say R
/Say O
/Say W

[Oliphant]

I know there has been doubt about whether or not there is an alternate ending to Skeletons in the Closest and that one likely carries with it an 2nd end chest. However, last night I discovered something that for me, proves beyond all doubt we're on the right path to solving the riddle of the dark secrets.

I was so excited, I had to put a new video about it!

Great work! Was running Skelis yesterday and thinking there has to be an answer, all these clues about titles, and literally all the thralls have empty titles. Very curious how you did it.

[Arkat]

Great work! Was running Skelis yesterday and thinking there has to be an answer, all these clues about titles, and literally all the thralls have empty titles. Very curious how you did it.

Maybe someone he knew datamined one of the audio files and found this bit of dialogue in it?

[LightBear]

Maybe someone he knew datamined one of the audio files and found this bit of dialogue in it?

That is what is said in the doc and explained, kinda in the youtube vid.
So, not solved yet. Just the confirmation that something is there.

Btw, casting the spell Command undead and /say speak seems the one thing I would do in an actual tabletop adventure as with that spell I am the one whose command the undead have to follow.

[Magnus_Arcanis]

While I didn't intend for it to be so vague... in hindsight... I get it. The voice line was indeed data mined. Was hoping to give us something that would renew our energy for the search and help fight against the doubters that didn't think there was anything more to the raid. May not of been needed as u56 changed the optional handling. (full details in the document) But I think it adds to the hype and focuses our theories a little. So, my regret level is low haha.

Anyway, for those not interested in the document or were unable to catch the streams last weekend. We found out a lot of cool and interesting stuff while sifting through data files but the relevant highlights lead to the following:
- Any testing results done pre-u56 need to be basically thrown out and if still relevant, needs to be redone as we don't know what all was changed/fixed/added or removed.
- Theory towards using /say to say secret words/phrases seems even more legit now. I was 99% before, but now I'm, 99.999999% ya know.
- There is indication that at least part of what we need to say has a pre-requisite before saying them will do anything.
- While we kind of knew this anyway (sound buff was a pretty strong indicator), but all options should probably be completed prior to defeating Death's Teeth based on one of the lines found.
- With the new optional handling, that leaves 1 completely unknown optional to figure out. While /say could be apart of this optional as well, it likely involves some other mechanic.

We have a number of good leads and directions as to what the secrets that need said could possibly be, but where I'm stuck and plan to focus my efforts more on at the moment is unlocking the unknown optional.

We're not directionless, but nothing so far is standing out. So re-combing over the raid and lore for any hints. Looking for anything over-looked and/or easily dismissed. Tricky part is that we may not see it revealed until its completed. Would be awful if true I know as it makes testing exponentially harder, but it is supposed to be a secret so in keeping with the lore, I wouldn't be shocked if that's the case. And I could see one making a case that this difficulty level is warranted to balance against possibly not having to defeat either boss in part 3... but I digress.

If you'd like to join the hunt, relevant links are all in the document. Also I'm pretty much dedicating the majority of my streams (4pm eastern on weekends) to discussing and testing theories so feel free to stop by and get caught up on all the action and maybe win some point codes!

PS. If you have characters on Argonessen I could really use the extra hands. Especially on Sundays.

PPS. Take all of this with a grain of salt. Finding a file is not an indication of accuracy. There are plenty of files in the games data that go unused. Of which several of those were found as well. The ones we focused on were the ones that made the most sense and were alignment with our existing strongest theories. While I think we have reasonable certainty, there is a margin of error to be considered. Last thing I want to do is put everyone into the wrong box. So I at least am still very much accepting of out of the box ideas/lines of thinking.

[Kelledren]

It could be as simple as "/say speak" on the platforms while dead.
Or
/Say Y
/Say A
/Say R
/Say R
/Say O
/Say W

Yeah but you have to be the new Archetype Cheerleader with legendary raid pom poms.

Order is a recurring thing, we keep thinking name order, but wondering if being Lawful applies here.

Also anyone try diving into lava pool under Ghostflame? Deep enough for a swim?

[Oliphant]

Does Death Teeth come out in time for someone to get exposed to that void aura and then do the /says ?

The biggest clues seem to be the empty thrall titles under their names, and the prior info and opt about titles, but the void aura on Death Teeth is a lot like the Dull Dagger upgrade mechanic in MoD.

[Magnus_Arcanis]

Yeah but you have to be the new Archetype Cheerleader with legendary raid pom poms.

Order is a recurring thing, we keep thinking name order, but wondering if being Lawful applies here.

Also anyone try diving into lava pool under Ghostflame? Deep enough for a swim?

I like the thinking. Both of my test characters are lawful good (paladin tank and a monk/rogue). Could play a part, but has yet be instrumental in unlocked the unknown optional.

Does Death Teeth come out in time for someone to get exposed to that void aura and then do the /says ?

The biggest clues seem to be the empty thrall titles under their names, and the prior info and opt about titles, but the void aura on Death Teeth is a lot like the Dull Dagger upgrade mechanic in MoD.

Did try upgrading the dagger with a Divine Crusader's version of Vol on, but... didn't seem to trigger anything.

And there is a window where the skeletons are up and DT is still spewing void clouds. DT doesn't transform until after the first set of Dark Secrets are dealt with.

The clouds have are rather interesting description and is one of those 'likely' mechanics we need to use.