Legendary level 30 or 31?

[vryxnr]

What base quest level counts as legendary? Subversion, for example, is base level 30, but labeled as epic and is not giving legendary exp or reaper exp to level 30 characters. Last I checked the Lamannia notes said level 30+ would be legendary. So has that changed, or is this a bug/oversight?

[Chacka_DDO]

Just tried Grim and Barett, a base level 30 quest that counted correctly as a base level epic quest (also the entry window tells you it is epic) and it gives you 0 experience on completion (as far as I can see also no reaper experience).

Howsoever, on the twitch stream, it was mentioned that also base-level 30 quests will give a legendary experience which is logical, not correct but with the might of their water soup SSG can do of course everything even if it is not logical.

So it is the question of whether the current situation is intended and base level 30 quests are not included, at least on Ghallanda I assume many will miss the Devil Gambit quests on their daily routine.

If one takes it seriously basically all quests with an effective level of 31+ are legendary and this would also include the four base level 29 quests we have in DDO but only if you play them in elite or reaper difficulty and the base level 30 quests should only give experience in hard, elite, and reaper.

But like the stupid situation that level 20 characters count as epic in DDO (notice level 31 and not 30 characters are legendary), SSG can do whatever they want no matter of logic.

[GrrArgh]

Here's my two bits of data. I just got off work. Took my main into "Tavern Brawl" because I figured it'd be something I could actually solo at R3, so....base level 30, modified up to 32, R3.

Just finished it. No xp payout for quest completion. No Reaper xp for quest completion. 2,399 Legendary xp for completing the "Find the Manuscript pages" optional. Base 1,812 xp for it plus voice, vip, etc. Whatever got added in.

I'm confused first off. Disappointed secondly that I didn't get Legendary xp payout for a level 30 base quest, and really, really disappointed that I just ran this thing on a first completion and didn't get any Reaper xp.....

[vryxnr]

Really seems like something got bugged if we're getting legendary exp from optionals but not from quest completion.

[GrrArgh]

Really seems like something got bugged if we're getting legendary exp from optionals but not from quest completion.

Extra little bit of info. I wasn't exactly soloing. Dual-boxing for the Divine Energy Resistance I couldn't put on my main.

That being said, my melee main out there doing all the killing and optional completing got the xp. The other one didn't.

[noinfo]

But like the stupid situation that level 20 characters count as epic in DDO (notice level 31 and not 30 characters are legendary), SSG can do whatever they want no matter of logic.

Still going? Some people can't admit when they are wrong.

I got my first Legendary feat at 30.
Items from level 30 on were being considered to be renamed legendary.

I would expect and hope that the level 30 quest no exp is an actual bug and will be fixed but until a dev comments we can't tell for sure.

[eightspoons]

The fact that you can enter these quests on reaper mode and be awarded nothing at all strikes me as particularly nasty if this is the way things are intended.

Either way, for people who have not bought the new expansion, they have just had their potential XP quests/raids reduced by 14. And what if they don't have any other expansions too?

I really hope someone in the know chimes in here.

[Chacka_DDO]

Still going? Some people can't admit when they are wrong.

I got my first Legendary feat at 30.
Items from level 30 on were being considered to be renamed legendary.

I would expect and hope that the level 30 quest no exp is an actual bug and will be fixed but until a dev comments we can't tell for sure.

There is no need to admit to being wrong when one knows he is right, and if you go to a nominal level 30 quest it currently clearly tells you the quest is EPIC (not legendary) and on all level 31+ quests, it tells you the quest is LEGENDARY.
Also notice that you need the legendary raid timer bypass hourglasses only for level 31+ raids while raids with lvl 30 only demand the normal (old) non-legendary version.

But these examples only show that SSG is in the question of whether LVL 31 is the first legendary character level only mostly consistent the only thing that comes to my mind that is odd is that you get at level 30 a so-called legendary feat.

And there is by logic no question, we have 20 class levels and therefore level 20 is the last class level and with that the last heroic character level.
Then we have 10 epic levels (21-30) and we get 10 legendary levels (31-40)
It is indeed that simple and it is actually you and SSG who refuse to admit that you are wrong!
The fact that I cannot "force" SSG to do something right means not that I'm wrong.

[mikarddo]

If the base level 30 quests do not give both Reaper and Leg XP for level 30+ character .... just no ... that has to be a mistake that will be fixed really soon.

In particular it is a direct nerf if these quests do not give reaper xp for level 30 characters which they used to.

Fix it!

[Caarb]

Legendary Experience
After you take your 10th Epic Level, you will begin earning progress towards your Legendary Levels by earning Legendary experience. You earn Legendary XP from any Dungeon, Landscape, or Raid that is of Legendary difficulty (meaning that its Base CR is 30 or higher). All dungeons that are currently Legendary will remain so after the Level Cap increase happens. This means that players looking for Legendary XP can earn it from over 100 quests, including the Isle of Dread! Once you have enough Legendary experience to level up, you may speak to the Fatespinner to take a Legendary level.

Clearly a bug

[Chacka_DDO]

The fact that you can enter these quests on reaper mode and be awarded nothing at all strikes me as particularly nasty if this is the way things are intended.

Either way, for people who have not bought the new expansion, they have just had their potential XP quests/raids reduced by 14. And what if they don't have any other expansions too?

I really hope someone in the know chimes in here.

On the Livestream, if I understood it correctly Lynnabel clearly says that you should still get legendary experience in nominal level 30 quests so I assume that they may be changed that at the last minute (so to speak) and maybe they simply did a mistake.
It is also interesting that you see in the experience report that you will be awarded normal and reaper experience but only at the moment, you finish the quest you get NO experience (neither normal nor reaper).

And as I said, if they take it seriously there is also no contradiction between the question if only a legendary quest should give legendary experience and if a nominal level 30 quest can give legendary experience as long as you do the quest on hard elite or reaper the quest is in fact nominal level 31 or 32 and everything is fine!
And even nominal level 29 quests could give by this logic legendary experience when you play them on elite or reaper (nominal level 31).

If SSG would follow this simple logic there would be a relatively smooth transition from epic to legendary and everyone could still play the usual nominal level 30 quests (no one I know plays the necro 4 quests regularly anyway but to be exact they should be included when you play them elite or reaper)

[mikarddo]

no one I know plays the necro 4 quests regularly anyway

They are actually great xp running them on R2-4 at level 26ish for leveling and a bit of rxp. You should try it
Very zergable.

[Wizard1406]

It has to be a bug, since lvl 30 stuff is always called legendary. Lvl 30 gear, lvl 30 feat. So lvl 30 quest = legendary quest and should give legendary xp too. And reaper xp too of course - you can gain rxp from a quest even if you are up to 6 level higher anyway.

[Sarandra]

If the base level 30 quests do not give both Reaper and Leg XP for level 30+ character .... just no ... that has to be a mistake that will be fixed really soon.

In particular it is a direct nerf if these quests do not give reaper xp for level 30 characters which they used to.

Fix it!

It is beyound ridiculous that you would suddenly not be able to run lower level quests without gaining any sort of XP, RXP or regular.

The distinction between heroic, epic, and legendary XP is ridiculous IMO. It's all just XP! A level 27 can run a level 26 quest and gain XP, but a level 30 suddenly cannot get XP from a level 29 quest?! Pfff, that's just lame. An over-level penalty sure, and being like 5 levels over the base level giving 0 XP, sure. But arbitrary boxes like heroic, epic, and legendary, and have those decide if you get XP or not is ridiculous and needs to go.

So far, I'm not too happy with this update seeing as it cuts ways to gain XP and RXP arbitrarily.

[Dandonk]

If the base level 30 quests do not give both Reaper and Leg XP for level 30+ character .... just no ... that has to be a mistake that will be fixed really soon.

In particular it is a direct nerf if these quests do not give reaper xp for level 30 characters which they used to.

Fix it!

I second this. Has to be a bug...

... I hope.

[slarden]

There are some level 30 quests that have always been flagged as epic quests. Originally this impacted mortal fear but I don't believe mortal fear works in level 30 epic quests any longer.

I agree all level 30 quests should be updated as legendary, but it's not without precedent. There are also some level 20 quests flagged as heroic rather than epic.

The most compelling reason to change it is that DDO has enough confusing aspects to it, this is a very easy one to fix.

[snook59]

What base quest level counts as legendary? Subversion, for example, is base level 30, but labeled as epic and is not giving legendary exp or reaper exp to level 30 characters. Last I checked the Lamannia notes said level 30+ would be legendary. So has that changed, or is this a bug/oversight?

So how does my level 30 char get to 32? I have not bought the expansion yet. Do you have to buy it first to continue leveling?

[eightspoons]

So how does my level 30 char get to 32? I have not bought the expansion yet. Do you have to buy it first to continue leveling?

It's just the level 30 and lower ones that give no XP now (hopefully level 30 is not intended), so besides the free L31 Memoirs, Good Intentions and that Eveningstar one, there are Ravenloft, Sharn, Feywild, Saltmarsh and the various legendary quest packs in between.

[snook59]

It's just the level 30 and lower ones that give no XP now (hopefully level 30 is not intended), so besides the free L31 Memoirs, Good Intentions and that Eveningstar one, there are Ravenloft, Sharn, Feywild, Saltmarsh and the various legendary quest packs in between.

ty

[Chacka_DDO]

They are actually great xp running them on R2-4 at level 26ish for leveling and a bit of rxp. You should try it
Very zergable.

What I meant is no one runs it anyway as a daily routine for reaper experience, I run that quests usually only one timer per life for favor and even this is not always.
And the reason is quite simple, nominal level 30+ quests give double reaper experience level 29 necro 4 quests not.

The point is that by logic you should get experience when you run a quest with an effective level 31+ because such quests are clearly legendary (30 not).
That a nominal level 31+ quest is legendary is undoubtedly by all D&D logic I know but it is debatable if a lvl 29 and 30 quest is legendary and should give legendary experience when you play them on a difficulty that makes the quest effective 31+.

And where we are at, also the 29 quests should give double reaper experience because they are also effective 31 and therefore legendary by logic.
Same story with level 18 and 19 quests who are effective 20 and 21 in reaper and you are not allowed to do them with a level 20 character, also obviously nonsense and I doubt you need to be a "mastermind" to understand that.
But SSG can ,of course, do whatever they want with DDO but I had better just wonder about it and not get upset.