We need more source of Token of the twelve

[Strider1963]

Simply put, you are wrong.

There are plenty of sources for the tokens, I think what you are looking for is a faster way to get them.

DDO over the years, has expanded enough that players don't need to run all of the content multiple times to level, and has offered the players the freedom to choose which quests they want to skip and which they want to run. This is true in heroic and epic. If you choose NOT to run the quests that drop the tokens for what ever the reason, that's on you, not the game.

Currently you can get tokens in the following quests/areas

Sentinels of Stormreach (4) quests
Carnival series in house P (4) quests
Sands (4) quests
VON series (5) 4 quests and Von 5 drops as well
Red Fens (4) quests
Lords of Dust (3) quests
Spies in the House and Devil Assault also both drop tokens.

That is 26 quests that offer tokens that you can run to level up during early epics, but of those 26 quests, I see about 4 - 5 that are run because they are very good exp, they are just not short and not good "farming" quests.

I have been where you are, and thought the same thing. You get to 30, realize you need 8 tokens left before you can TR and want a faster way. The faster way is to buy the HOW from the DDO store. Or because this is an MMO find 5 friends/guild members who will help you and run BOB and LOD. If everyone passes tokens, you are looking at 15? minutes to do both quests. Seems fast enough to me.

The last couple of lives I ran Red Fens on EE, I only got fragments, not whole tokens so something is borked there. I used to get full tokens, but not lately.

[Onyxia2019]

There are folks that do the 1-20 train to knock out class and racial lives. This gives them a chance to test out various classes and builds and just learn the mechanics of the game before then switching to the Iconic and Epic train. These are the ones that are really affected by the token grind.

Those that have been playing for many year need to look at it from the new player stand point. You have nothing in the way of resources. No epic gear or the uber power from dozens of Epic TR's. Getting all the heroic's TR's done gives a good starting point for Epic/Iconic. By then they have some decent gear sets from expansions like Sharn to help with the power creep and the past life bonuses to help then through the 20 - 32 levels the first few times.

A good test would be to try and farm tokens during the next HCL where you have nothing to start with. Getting those tokens is a pain when you don't have them in your bank or hundreds of fragments from the past 10 years of playing.

If DDO does not get a little better and being noob friendly it is only a matter of time before it dies. This is not doomsaying it is just simple mathematics.

[C-Dog]

(I'd also argue that introducing small sources of both Tokens and fragments early would help onboard new players, and if not teach them a valuable lesson about DDO, at least let them know there's a valuable lesson they need to look up/ask about)

I think that's a solid point!

Looking back, I remember many times when I found something new in inventory or in an auto-collect bag, and thought "... what the hades is THIS???!!!..." So I figured it out (the DDOWiki is your friend), and was a better prepared player for it!

[Phoenicis]

Simply put, you are wrong.

There are plenty of sources for the tokens, I think what you are looking for is a faster way to get them.

DDO over the years, has expanded enough that players don't need to run all of the content multiple times to level, and has offered the players the freedom to choose which quests they want to skip and which they want to run. This is true in heroic and epic. If you choose NOT to run the quests that drop the tokens for what ever the reason, that's on you, not the game.

Currently you can get tokens in the following quests/areas

Sentinels of Stormreach (4) quests
Carnival series in house P (4) quests
Sands (4) quests
VON series (5) 4 quests and Von 5 drops as well
Red Fens (4) quests
Lords of Dust (3) quests
Spies in the House and Devil Assault also both drop tokens.

That is 26 quests that offer tokens that you can run to level up during early epics, but of those 26 quests, I see about 4 - 5 that are run because they are very good exp, they are just not short and not good "farming" quests.

I have been where you are, and thought the same thing. You get to 30, realize you need 8 tokens left before you can TR and want a faster way. The faster way is to buy the HOW from the DDO store. Or because this is an MMO find 5 friends/guild members who will help you and run BOB and LOD. If everyone passes tokens, you are looking at 15? minutes to do both quests. Seems fast enough to me.

The epic cannith challanges can drop enough mats for 2 tokens per run when you know them well enough, and that is at level. I can only imagine how many you might get running 5 over...

[Dunspartacus]

Honestly I just wish there was more epic content in general. I'm kidna worried they're just gonna forget about epic forever now that legendary exists and 20-30 will be the exact same grind every life while heroic and legendary become more and more diverse.

[Valtan]

After 10 years i'm tired of farming Bargain of blood every life ... And I don't think i'm the only one.
Same goes to the greater ...

Run Epic Normal Devil Assault with you main and 5 alt toons (you can use coupon code to get Devil assault pack for free). Each run will give you 12 tokens (2 tokens x 6 toons). I have around 1000+ tokens sitting idle as I have lost interest in TR hamster cycle for now.

[Valtan]

Honestly I just wish there was more epic content in general. I'm kidna worried they're just gonna forget about epic forever now that legendary exists and 20-30 will be the exact same grind every life while heroic and legendary become more and more diverse.

I can guarantee epic content is done. It will go the way of 100 other abandoned systems developed over the years. I have seen this story for the past 15 years. Better get your epic completionist completed as soon as possible, Legendary TR will be here soon(R).

[superevbully]

The problem is that the lack of token quests really hurt new people. Vets know where to get them and stockpile them easy. I've seen new people in the discord buy a heart from the store and then start asking questions about reincarnation.

It wouldn't hurt for them to add epic (token) chests to stuff like deleras or catacombs. It wouldn't affect most of us vets at all, and would help newbies.

this is how i also view the op topic ...vets its not even a issue ...but new players its awful system that just piles the cost if the game to new folks its not a good look imo

[Urklore]

For me this is an issue as I look at it like this (and a new person might view it this way as well).

'Oh wow, I finally reached level 20 and can reincarnate to get a kewl past life boon and those little funny symbols on my name so I look like one of the kewl folks. What, how do I reincarnate!? You mean I have to do more grinding just to be able to start over at level one!?!? This is stupid, this game sucks.' <back to a different game>

Just how I see it and feel sometimes.

[Scrag]

For me this is an issue as I look at it like this (and a new person might view it this way as well).

'Oh wow, I finally reached level 20 and can reincarnate to get a kewl past life boon and those little funny symbols on my name so I look like one of the kewl folks. What, how do I reincarnate!? You mean I have to do more grinding just to be able to start over at level one!?!? This is stupid, this game sucks.' <back to a different game>

Just how I see it and feel sometimes.

Yes, exactly, except I have an awesome guild that helps me get my tokens.

If it were not for my guild, I would be like BLEH. I might have actually considered quitting.

[erethizon]

The last couple of lives I ran Red Fens on EE, I only got fragments, not whole tokens so something is borked there. I used to get full tokens, but not lately.

I have not seen anything but fragments in many, many years, but I only run Reaper so that could be the reason why.

[C-Dog]

I have not seen anything but fragments in many, many years, but I only run Reaper so that could be the reason why.

Full Tokens only drop in Token end-chests, which glow a bright megenta and are unmistakable.

[thegreatcthulhu]

I can guarantee epic content is done. It will go the way of 100 other abandoned systems developed over the years. I have seen this story for the past 15 years. Better get your epic completionist completed as soon as possible, Legendary TR will be here soon(R).

I might actually like this myself.

[Paladin_of_Power]

That would sure be nice.

[Jeromio]

Full Tokens only drop in Token end-chests, which glow a bright megenta and are unmistakable.

Last week when I did Red Fens on R1, I only got fragments from those chests, not tokens.

I don't care so much personally as I'm in the group that have already collected all tokens I need for my racial lifes via earlier epic grinding. However, I understand the frustration for those who are starting out their journeys with 1-20 lvl TRs.

[C-Dog]

Last week when I did Red Fens on R1, I only got fragments from those chests, not tokens.

I was not clear - some of those magenta chests do not (usually/often) drop full tokens. That is one reason the "dailies" consist of those specific quests, b/c they do (tend to) drop full tokens (some more than 1!).

o https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Token_...Drop_per_quest

Try Lords of Dust - that's a winner.

[Aelonwy]

I can guarantee epic content is done. It will go the way of 100 other abandoned systems developed over the years. I have seen this story for the past 15 years. Better get your epic completionist completed as soon as possible, Legendary TR will be here soon(R).

This^ is what I expect as well. We have a gaping dearth of epic content for levels 25 and 26 (7 and 9 quests respectively) and more seriously levels 28 and 29 (3 and 4 quests respectively). There should be double-digit numbers of quests for each of these levels but End Game rules the roost, drives the decisions. If its not End Game a lot of players complain it doesn't matter/should be ignored. A good part of that complaint sits on the foundation of the decision to reward more Reaper XP at End Game/cap. But its also propped on the past having End Game/Cap gear with just Power Warp Drive stats in comparison to even slightly lower level equipment. Now of course we have a more standard progression in gear (thank you devs) but they just aren't going to be able to develop any loot for those levels that people will really want anyway when better loot already exists you just have to level into it. So? How do you develop content just for diversity of questing? Is it really worth their effort? Idk.

[Captain_Wizbang]

As suggested in the thread. At the very least, SSG should consider using comms for a trade-in.

I'm sure they have somerthing planned for legendary reincarnations, hearts, tokens and seeds will need some type of change, we just haven't heard anything yet.

[Buddha5440]

I agree with the OP in that farming BoB is boring. It's easy to do, it's the quickest way to collect tokens, and it's... boring and repetitive.

Congratz...you just summed up the game in a single statement (minus the "boring" part).

[jackatthekilns]

This^ is what I expect as well. We have a gaping dearth of epic content for levels 25 and 26 (7 and 9 quests respectively) and more seriously levels 28 and 29 (3 and 4 quests respectively). There should be double-digit numbers of quests for each of these levels but End Game rules the roost, drives the decisions. If its not End Game a lot of players complain it doesn't matter/should be ignored. A good part of that complaint sits on the foundation of the decision to reward more Reaper XP at End Game/cap. But its also propped on the past having End Game/Cap gear with just Power Warp Drive stats in comparison to even slightly lower level equipment. Now of course we have a more standard progression in gear (thank you devs) but they just aren't going to be able to develop any loot for those levels that people will really want anyway when better loot already exists you just have to level into it. So? How do you develop content just for diversity of questing? Is it really worth their effort? Idk.

As long as Legendary XP is held after reincarnation I think there is plenty to do when you are 20-30. Legendary quests are relatively easy to run on Hard long before 30. However, once Legendary TR gives us a reason to spend that XP, I can see a need for more epic content. I think a good solution is to have new content be epic/legendary instead of heroic/legendary for a while. there are over 440 quests in heroics, I think we can stand to have a few more epic quests. If the quests are also Legendary, that should solve the "end game" problem.