First life TWF EK/Feydark build - Advice needed

[Dhamp]

Hi!
I'm looking to start DDO, and thought I should probably plan my build before jumping in.

I tried to adapt this build, to a TWF, Dex based alternative

Im not looking to get super-deep into Reaper, or do much of anything past limp to level 30 and have a good time, is this viable at all? What could I do better? I'm 1005 sure I have no idea how epic destinies work, so Im prepared to throw out that entire section!

Character name: Test
Classes: 20 Sorcerer, 10 Epic
Race: Wood Elf· · · · · · ·Alignment: Neutral

· · ·Start Tome Final · · ·Incorp:· · 10% · · ·Displacement:· ·40%
Str:· · 10· · 0 · ·10 · · ·HP:· · · · 536 · · ·AC:· · 24
Dex:· · 18· · 2 · ·22 · · ·PRR: · · · ·33
Con:· · 16· · 0 · ·22 · · ·MRR: · · · ·20 · · ·+Healing Amp:· · ·0
Int:· · 10· · 0 · ·10 · · ·Dodge: · ·1/25 · · ·-Healing Amp:· · ·0
Wis:· · ·8· · 0 · · 8 · · ·Fort:· · · 50% · · ·Repair Amp:· · · 20
Cha:· · 14· · 0 · ·35 · · ·SR:· · · · · 0 · · ·BAB: · · · · · · 30
DR:
Immunities: Fear, Magic Missiles, Magic Missiles, Energy Drain, Sleep

Special Feats
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Feydark Illusionist Tree
Shadowdancer


Class and Feat Selection
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Level Class · · · · · ·Feats
1 · · Sorcerer(1) · · ·Standard: Two Weapon Fighting
2 · · Sorcerer(2) · · ·
3 · · Sorcerer(3) · · ·Standard: Precision
4 · · Sorcerer(4) · · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
5 · · Sorcerer(5) · · ·
6 · · Sorcerer(6) · · ·Standard: Force of Personality
7 · · Sorcerer(7) · · ·
8 · · Sorcerer(8) · · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
9 · · Sorcerer(9) · · ·Standard: Martial Weapon Proficiency: Scimitar
10· · Sorcerer(10)· · ·
11· · Sorcerer(11)· · ·
12· · Sorcerer(12)· · ·Standard: Improved Two Weapon Fighting
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
13· · Sorcerer(13)· · ·
14· · Sorcerer(14)· · ·
15· · Sorcerer(15)· · ·Standard: Two Weapon Defense
16· · Sorcerer(16)· · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
17· · Sorcerer(17)· · ·
18· · Sorcerer(18)· · ·Standard: Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
19· · Sorcerer(19)· · ·
20· · Sorcerer(20)· · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
21· · Epic(1) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Greater Two Weapon Fighting
22· · Epic(2) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
23· · Epic(3) · · · · ·
24· · Epic(4) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Overwhelming Critical
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
25· · Epic(5) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Doublestrike
26· · Epic(6) · · · · ·
27· · Epic(7) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Epic Damage Reduction
28· · Epic(8) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Arcane Warrior
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
29· · Epic(9) · · · · ·
30· · Epic(10)· · · · ·Epic Feat: Blinding Speed
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Legendary: Scion of the Plane of Fire

Granted Feats
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Deflect Arrows
Evasion
Improved Evasion
Light Armor Proficiency
Medium Armor Proficiency
Mobile Spellcasting
Quick Draw
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Skills
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Skill Points· · · 8 ·2· 2 ·2· 2 ·2· 2 ·2· 2 ·2· 2 ·2· 2 ·2· 2 ·2· 2 ·2· 2 ·2
Skill Name· · · ·01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20· Total Buffed
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Balance · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 16.0
Bluff · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 22.0
Concentration · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 16.0
Diplomacy · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 22.0
Disable Device· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 10.0
Haggle· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 22.0
Heal· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · ·9.0
Hide· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 16.0
Intimidate· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 22.0
Jump· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 10.0
Listen· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 11.0
Move Silently · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 16.0
Open Lock · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 16.0
Perform · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 22.0
Repair· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 11.0
Search· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 12.0
Spell Craft · · · 4 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· ·23.0 · 33.0
Spot· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 11.0
Swim· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 10.0
Tumble· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 16.0
Use Magic Device 1½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ·11.0 · 33.0
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Available Points· 1 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0
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Enhancements: 80 APs
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Wood Elf - Points spent: 15
Core1 Accuracy I
Tier1 Weapon Training I
Tier1 Arcane Fluidity - 3 Ranks
Core2 Nature I: +1 Dexterity
Core3 Accuracy II
Core4 Nature II: +1 Dexterity
Tier2 Weapon Training II
Tier3 Weapon Training III
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Eldritch Knight (Sorc) - Points spent: 41
Core1 Eldritch Strike
Tier1 Improved Mage Armor - 3 Ranks
Tier1 Arcane Siphon - 3 Ranks
Tier1 Toughness - 3 Ranks
Core2 Spellsword
Tier2 Improved Shield - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Mystic Wards - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Action Boost Spellpower - 3 Ranks
Tier3 Synergetic Magic
Core3 Imbue the Blade
Tier3 Ability I: +1 Charisma
Core4 Subtle Force I
Tier4 Ability II: +1 Charisma
Tier4 Knight's Transformation
Tier4 Force's Point
Tier5 Improved Knight's Transformation
Tier5 Knight's Arcanum: Knight's Controller
Tier5 Force's Edge
Tier5 Eldritch Tempest - 3 Ranks
Core5 Subtle Force II
Core6 Eldritch Blade
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Feydark Illusionist - Points spent: 24
Core1 Find Familiar: White Tressym
Tier1 Familiar's Flourish I
Tier1 Illusory Weaponry
Tier1 Study the Arcane - 3 Ranks
Core2 Ability I: Charisma
Tier2 Reality Bulwark - 3 Ranks
Tier2 You've Got My Back
Tier2 Bend Light
Tier2 Familiar's Flourish II
Core3 Greater Color Spray
Tier3 Ability I: Charisma
Core4 Ability II: Charisma
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Epic Destinies: 40 APs + 1 permanent Destiny Points
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Shadowdancer - Points spent: 42
Core1 Shadow Training
Tier1 Cover of Darkness - 3 Ranks
Tier1 Well of Darkness - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Shadowform
Tier2 Lithe - 3 Ranks
Core2 Step Through Shadows
Tier2 Epic Strike: Nightmare Lance
Core3 The Darkest Luck
Tier3 Depths of Darkness
Tier3 Spell Focus: Illusion - 3 Ranks
Tier3 Shadowcaster: Shadowcaster
Tier3 Grim Precision - 3 Ranks
Tier3 Epic Strike Upgrade I: Meld into Darkness
Tier4 Dark Mercy - 3 Ranks
Tier4 Epic Strike Upgrade II: Improved Meld
Tier4 From the Shadows
Tier5 Weird: Weird
Tier5 Shadow Mastery
Tier5 Greater Shadowform
Tier5 Greater Shadowdancer Spell Focus - 3 Ranks
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[voxson5]

Welcome to the game!

I think the basic premise is good, but as a new player I think you might enjoy the same build as a warforged instead of wood elf because you can heal yourself with repair spells, and have several quality of life immunities.

For the highest two weapon fighting feats you only need a maximum of 17 dexterity (character creation points + tomes + any level up points are the only things that count for this), and for basic two weapon fighting you only need 15 dexterity.

Your stat distribution is a bit off, and you'd only have 28 or 32 points to spend as a new character.

Here is what I would recommend as a warforged 2wf sorcerer (28 pt build):

Str: 08 (dump)
Dex: 16 (+ 1st level up)
Con: 10 (+2 from being warforged = 12)
Int: 08 (dump, take UMD as your skill choice)
Wis: 06 (dump)
Cha: 16 (+ remaining level ups)

For feats, you don't need force of personality if you are warforged, and two weapon defense is not really worth a feat. Blinding speed isn't necessary because you can just cast haste on yourself.

I think extend, maximize, and quicken are good replacements but you'd want to take them earlier than epics. They also let you play being a spellcaster in between hacking and slashing.

There's slightly more complicated things that you can do to boost the toon as well:

1 level of barbarian makes you run faster and gives you access to all martial weapons so you don't need to spend a feat on scimitars etc, but you could take knights training to make some weapons better (https://ddowiki.com/page/Knight%27s_Training).

1 level of favoured soul gives you a stance to boost your melee based off your charisma score via the warsoul enhancement tree.

The downside of these two is that you'd loose the EK capstone, which is a considerable melee dps loss. There are tradeoff's for many build choices in this game.

Anyway, have fun!

[Alled78]

Hi!
I'm looking to start DDO, and thought I should probably plan my build before jumping in.

I tried to adapt this build, to a TWF, Dex based alternative

Im not looking to get super-deep into Reaper, or do much of anything past limp to level 30 and have a good time, is this viable at all? What could I do better? I'm 1005 sure I have no idea how epic destinies work, so Im prepared to throw out that entire section!

Character name: Test
Classes: 20 Sorcerer, 10 Epic
Race: Wood Elf· · · · · · ·Alignment: Neutral

· · ·Start Tome Final · · ·Incorp:· · 10% · · ·Displacement:· ·40%
Str:· · 10· · 0 · ·10 · · ·HP:· · · · 536 · · ·AC:· · 24
Dex:· · 18· · 2 · ·22 · · ·PRR: · · · ·33
Con:· · 16· · 0 · ·22 · · ·MRR: · · · ·20 · · ·+Healing Amp:· · ·0
Int:· · 10· · 0 · ·10 · · ·Dodge: · ·1/25 · · ·-Healing Amp:· · ·0
Wis:· · ·8· · 0 · · 8 · · ·Fort:· · · 50% · · ·Repair Amp:· · · 20
Cha:· · 14· · 0 · ·35 · · ·SR:· · · · · 0 · · ·BAB: · · · · · · 30
DR:
Immunities: Fear, Magic Missiles, Magic Missiles, Energy Drain, Sleep

Special Feats
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Feydark Illusionist Tree
Shadowdancer


Class and Feat Selection
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Level Class · · · · · ·Feats
1 · · Sorcerer(1) · · ·Standard: Two Weapon Fighting
2 · · Sorcerer(2) · · ·
3 · · Sorcerer(3) · · ·Standard: Precision
4 · · Sorcerer(4) · · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
5 · · Sorcerer(5) · · ·
6 · · Sorcerer(6) · · ·Standard: Force of Personality
7 · · Sorcerer(7) · · ·
8 · · Sorcerer(8) · · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
9 · · Sorcerer(9) · · ·Standard: Martial Weapon Proficiency: Scimitar
10· · Sorcerer(10)· · ·
11· · Sorcerer(11)· · ·
12· · Sorcerer(12)· · ·Standard: Improved Two Weapon Fighting
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
13· · Sorcerer(13)· · ·
14· · Sorcerer(14)· · ·
15· · Sorcerer(15)· · ·Standard: Two Weapon Defense
16· · Sorcerer(16)· · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
17· · Sorcerer(17)· · ·
18· · Sorcerer(18)· · ·Standard: Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
19· · Sorcerer(19)· · ·
20· · Sorcerer(20)· · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
21· · Epic(1) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Greater Two Weapon Fighting
22· · Epic(2) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
23· · Epic(3) · · · · ·
24· · Epic(4) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Overwhelming Critical
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
25· · Epic(5) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Doublestrike
26· · Epic(6) · · · · ·
27· · Epic(7) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Epic Damage Reduction
28· · Epic(8) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Arcane Warrior
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Charisma: +1 Level up
29· · Epic(9) · · · · ·
30· · Epic(10)· · · · ·Epic Feat: Blinding Speed
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Legendary: Scion of the Plane of Fire

Granted Feats
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Deflect Arrows
Evasion
Improved Evasion
Light Armor Proficiency
Medium Armor Proficiency
Mobile Spellcasting
Quick Draw
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Skills
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Skill Points· · · 8 ·2· 2 ·2· 2 ·2· 2 ·2· 2 ·2· 2 ·2· 2 ·2· 2 ·2· 2 ·2· 2 ·2
Skill Name· · · ·01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20· Total Buffed
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Balance · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 16.0
Bluff · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 22.0
Concentration · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 16.0
Diplomacy · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 22.0
Disable Device· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 10.0
Haggle· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 22.0
Heal· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · ·9.0
Hide· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 16.0
Intimidate· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 22.0
Jump· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 10.0
Listen· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 11.0
Move Silently · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 16.0
Open Lock · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 16.0
Perform · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 22.0
Repair· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 11.0
Search· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 12.0
Spell Craft · · · 4 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· ·23.0 · 33.0
Spot· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 11.0
Swim· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 10.0
Tumble· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 16.0
Use Magic Device 1½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ·11.0 · 33.0
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Available Points· 1 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0
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Enhancements: 80 APs
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Wood Elf - Points spent: 15
Core1 Accuracy I
Tier1 Weapon Training I
Tier1 Arcane Fluidity - 3 Ranks
Core2 Nature I: +1 Dexterity
Core3 Accuracy II
Core4 Nature II: +1 Dexterity
Tier2 Weapon Training II
Tier3 Weapon Training III
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Eldritch Knight (Sorc) - Points spent: 41
Core1 Eldritch Strike
Tier1 Improved Mage Armor - 3 Ranks
Tier1 Arcane Siphon - 3 Ranks
Tier1 Toughness - 3 Ranks
Core2 Spellsword
Tier2 Improved Shield - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Mystic Wards - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Action Boost Spellpower - 3 Ranks
Tier3 Synergetic Magic
Core3 Imbue the Blade
Tier3 Ability I: +1 Charisma
Core4 Subtle Force I
Tier4 Ability II: +1 Charisma
Tier4 Knight's Transformation
Tier4 Force's Point
Tier5 Improved Knight's Transformation
Tier5 Knight's Arcanum: Knight's Controller
Tier5 Force's Edge
Tier5 Eldritch Tempest - 3 Ranks
Core5 Subtle Force II
Core6 Eldritch Blade
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Feydark Illusionist - Points spent: 24
Core1 Find Familiar: White Tressym
Tier1 Familiar's Flourish I
Tier1 Illusory Weaponry
Tier1 Study the Arcane - 3 Ranks
Core2 Ability I: Charisma
Tier2 Reality Bulwark - 3 Ranks
Tier2 You've Got My Back
Tier2 Bend Light
Tier2 Familiar's Flourish II
Core3 Greater Color Spray
Tier3 Ability I: Charisma
Core4 Ability II: Charisma
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Epic Destinies: 40 APs + 1 permanent Destiny Points
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Shadowdancer - Points spent: 42
Core1 Shadow Training
Tier1 Cover of Darkness - 3 Ranks
Tier1 Well of Darkness - 3 Ranks
Tier2 Shadowform
Tier2 Lithe - 3 Ranks
Core2 Step Through Shadows
Tier2 Epic Strike: Nightmare Lance
Core3 The Darkest Luck
Tier3 Depths of Darkness
Tier3 Spell Focus: Illusion - 3 Ranks
Tier3 Shadowcaster: Shadowcaster
Tier3 Grim Precision - 3 Ranks
Tier3 Epic Strike Upgrade I: Meld into Darkness
Tier4 Dark Mercy - 3 Ranks
Tier4 Epic Strike Upgrade II: Improved Meld
Tier4 From the Shadows
Tier5 Weird: Weird
Tier5 Shadow Mastery
Tier5 Greater Shadowform
Tier5 Greater Shadowdancer Spell Focus - 3 Ranks
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If u wanna start playing DDO, this build is a very bad idea.

I suggest: You to choose if u want to play melee 2 wf: go ranger or rogue (vistani)


As first toon i suggest barbarian or paladin 2 handed fighting.
Or ranged (repeater artificier or inquisitor)

Sorc is very good as caster. But is very squishy. Far from optimal if u want to melee as first life.
Then first life caster is not easy for new player, considet go wizard or cleric. For self heal

Then if u really like caster melee play i strongly suggest this
https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showth...Barbarian-Rage!

[Dhamp]

Welcome to the game!

I think the basic premise is good, but as a new player I think you might enjoy the same build as a warforged instead of wood elf because you can heal yourself with repair spells, and have several quality of life immunities.

For the highest two weapon fighting feats you only need a maximum of 17 dexterity (character creation points + tomes + any level up points are the only things that count for this), and for basic two weapon fighting you only need 15 dexterity.

Your stat distribution is a bit off, and you'd only have 28 or 32 points to spend as a new character.

Here is what I would recommend as a warforged 2wf sorcerer (28 pt build):

Str: 08 (dump)
Dex: 16 (+ 1st level up)
Con: 10 (+2 from being warforged = 12)
Int: 08 (dump, take UMD as your skill choice)
Wis: 06 (dump)
Cha: 16 (+ remaining level ups)

For feats, you don't need force of personality if you are warforged, and two weapon defense is not really worth a feat. Blinding speed isn't necessary because you can just cast haste on yourself.

I think extend, maximize, and quicken are good replacements but you'd want to take them earlier than epics. They also let you play being a spellcaster in between hacking and slashing.

Thanks - I'll take a look at warforged, I didnt realise they could Repair to self heal.
Is there much point in getting the Proficiency feat? It feels like -4 is a minor penalty for the cost of being locked into one weapon type - and are the Feydark Shortswords any good?

There's slightly more complicated things that you can do to boost the toon as well:

1 level of barbarian makes you run faster and gives you access to all martial weapons so you don't need to spend a feat on scimitars etc, but you could take knights training to make some weapons better (https://ddowiki.com/page/Knight%27s_Training).

1 level of favoured soul gives you a stance to boost your melee based off your charisma score via the warsoul enhancement tree.

The downside of these two is that you'd loose the EK capstone, which is a considerable melee dps loss. There are tradeoff's for many build choices in this game.

Anyway, have fun!

Im going to single class I think - multiclassing is something for future lives once Ive got the basics down

How does the Epic Destiny part look? I have no idea how that works at all.

[Dhamp]

If u wanna start playing DDO, this build is a very bad idea.

I suggest: You to choose if u want to play melee 2 wf: go ranger or rogue (vistani)


As first toon i suggest barbarian or paladin 2 handed fighting.
Or ranged (repeater artificier or inquisitor)

Sorc is very good as caster. But is very squishy. Far from optimal if u want to melee as first life.
Then first life caster is not easy for new player, considet go wizard or cleric. For self heal

Then if u really like caster melee play i strongly suggest this
https://forums.ddo.com/forums/showth...Barbarian-Rage!

Thanks, but I'd rather have a "less optimal" time with a character I actually engage with than playing one I don't engage with that's "easier". I want to enjoy the game, rather than have to drag myself through something I dont enjoy for the promise of getting to play something I enjoy at an indeterminate "later" time

[C-Dog]

Thanks - I'll take a look at warforged, I didnt realise they could Repair to self heal.

Warforged are (recently) "free", but only after at least one character on your account (on that server) has gained 400 Total Favor. Until then, you'd have to buy the race (not recommended, considering).

o https://ddowiki.com/page/Favor#Total_Favor

Also, understand that WF do not automatically come w/ the Repair spell - that requires a caster w/ that spell in their list.

It also means that, for most parties, no one else will be able to heal you - most Healer Hires do not have Repair spells, and few builds (outside Artificers and socially-minded Wizards) carry Repair.

As a Sorcerer, which is already limited in the number of different spells they have, you will have some tough choices to make to fit in the largest(?) Repair you can carry.

Is there much point in getting the Proficiency feat? It feels like -4 is a minor penalty for the cost of being locked into one weapon type - and are the Feydark Shortswords any good?

The short answer is: You don't need it; EK Core 3 gives proficiency with both Martial Weapons and Light Armor. (Core 1 gives Simple Weapons, but Sorcies start w that as a class feature.)

o https://ddowiki.com/page/Sorcerer_El...nts#Spellsword

The long answer is that DDO does not use a "d20" combat system (any more). A solid DDO combat build might not miss -4 (as they'd still only miss on a natural "1", which is always a miss, regardless), but this build might feel it - and doubling your miss chance (or worse) is not a good thing.

Im going to single class I think - multiclassing is something for future lives once Ive got the basics down

There's nothing very "non-basic" about multiclassing (and you're covering "non basic" with this build to start with ); you have your build planned, you follow it carefully, level by level, it all works out.

Sorcerers do get a serious boost in power for being pure when they hit Level 20 - but, if you're only going to TR (see next!), you'll only see 20 for a couple dozen quests, then you TR. Meanwhile, by multi-classing, getting to 20 is faster and easier, so it's an overall win.

(Just as Sorcerer gets a boost at Core 20 (aka "the capstone"), it also gets one at 18; 19 is nothing particularly special. If you do take a dip 1-level into 1 class (FvS?), you might as well take a second one. Wizard gives you 3 utility spells (maybe Shield, Protection from Evil and... +10 Swim speed? Or Sonic Blast, for box breaking? Or...???), a 1 AP Invisibility spell (aka the "Easy Button"), and a free additional metamagic Feat! Something to consider for what is already a "non-standard" Sorcie build.)

How does the Epic Destiny part look? I have no idea how that works at all.

I would strongly advise not planning to go to 30 on your first life. Reincarnating at 20 gives you several strong advantages...

• 34 point build for your next life.
• Sorcerer Past Life (+1 DC to blasting spells, +20 spell points)
• Understanding the game better, and (probably) making a better build!
• Knowing the quests better, so Epic is not a complete new experience (which is always slower)
• A chance to farm gear for your 2nd life, to make that go easier
• At 1750 Total Favor (usually ~around~ L14 or so), you get a free +2 Stat Tome of your choice - this would give you TWO +2 Tomes by the time you run to 30.
  
  (And if you choose Int as your first tome, that's +1 more Skill Point/level on your 2nd life. Your choice for the Tome on your 2nd life can be combat-oriented (Str, Cha, Dex, Con), and that applies immediately. Skill points are not "retro-active" for levels before a +Int boost, so you want that preexisting for Level 1.)
• You can plan a strong purely HEROIC build (to 18 or 20) without worrying about Epic power considerations.
• You know what mistakes to avoid, a knowledge that is doubly important in Epics.
• Almost certainly other stuff that I'm forgetting

[C-Dog]

On a separate issue... you're a new player, and since it's critical to the build (allowing Charisma to apply To Hit and Damage, plus more), I wanted make sure you understood this...

Feydark Illusionist - Points spent: 24
Core1 Find Familiar: White Tressym
Tier1 Familiar's Flourish I
Tier1 Illusory Weaponry
Tier1 Study the Arcane - 3 Ranks
Core2 Ability I: Charisma
Tier2 Reality Bulwark - 3 Ranks
Tier2 You've Got My Back
Tier2 Bend Light
Tier2 Familiar's Flourish II
Core3 Greater Color Spray
Tier3 Ability I: Charisma
Core4 Ability II: Charisma

... you do know that Feydark is a "Premium" tree, right? It's not Free-to-Play.

It either costs 495 DDO Points (which are not hard to earn, but this is a moderate expenditure), or can be earned easily for free if you have access to Fables of the Feywild adventure pack (which costs 2,495 DP, an amount that's harder to earn, but can always be bought for cash).

o https://ddowiki.com/page/Feydark_Ill...t_enhancements
o https://ddowiki.com/page/Fables_of_the_Feywild

Just double checking.

[voxson5]

OP, to help make things easier for yourself, would you consider a two handed fighting sorcerer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvXcybkcCeM

Bear in mind this is on Strimtom's pretty tapped out character with all the gear. A first life version would still be super fun.

If you have the feywild expansion (as a new player, probably not, and I would not recommend splurging on any expansions until you spend time to see if you enjoy the game or not), I'd say just swap DEX with STR in my stat layout earlier on.

Otherwise, swap DEX with STR and put all stat levelups into STR, take 2HF feats instead of 2WF feats. Ezpz

There are some spells that you really want to take, moreso as a melee EK

lv 1 - repair light, shield, jump, maybe expeditious retreat but you can easily farm clickes from the korthos beginner area
lv 2 - resist energy, blur (can swap out when you get displacement), gust of wind, maybe invisibility but this can just be scrolled
lv 3 - haste, displacement, rage
lv 4 - dimension door, maybe ice storm but this can be scrolled (it's for the slow effect on mobs), maybe fire shield but this can be scrolled
lv 5 - repair critical, maybe protection from elements but this can be scrolled
lv 6 - reconstruct
lv 7 - maybe protection mass but this can also just be scrolled
lv 8 - arcane tempest, otto's irresistible dance
lv 9 -

As a melee 1st life with no stat tomes, you most likely will not be landing any spells that require a difficulty check (DC), so I'd recommend staying away from them for now - if you wanted a spell blasting sorcerer we'd build you something different.

Sorcerers can swap a spell from their spell book every 3 days via the class trainer, just in can you need to swap things around.

I'd probably take repair light at level 1 + shield (jump helps later and is less necessary with high strength), probably repair moderate or serious as your next repair spell. These will probably last you until repair critical (class level 10) if you have the maximize metamagic. Once you have repair critical and reconstruct, you don't really need anything else. You want quicken at or before you take class level 12 for your repair spells.

[Dhamp]

Warforged are (recently) "free", but only after at least one character on your account (on that server) has gained 400 Total Favor. Until then, you'd have to buy the race (not recommended, considering).

I'll skip Warforged then I think!

The short answer is: You don't need it; EK Core 3 gives proficiency with both Martial Weapons and Light Armor.

I knew there was something I forgot when I was playing around with the builder! Yep, thjat

There's nothing very "non-basic" about multiclassing (and you're covering "non basic" with this build to start with ); you have your build planned, you follow it carefully, level by level, it all works out.

"non-basic" was a poor choice of words - I meant it in the sense of multiclassing exponentially increasing options for advancement trees and the like FvS has been suggested as a decent dip twice now - im definitely considering it, I like the look of the class as a whole.

I agree with what you were saying, it was just a box of worms I was trying to avoid, and maybe I shouldn't have been!

... you do know that Feydark is a "Premium" tree, right? It's not Free-to-Play.
Just double checking.

Yep - Im aware! I'm always happy to chuck a fiver on a free to play game like this, to support the devs, even if I dont stick about. Diversity in the industry is good!


I think Im going to take your advice and just play to 20 and reincarnate - it sounds like a solid suggestion!

[Dhamp]

OP, to help make things easier for yourself, would you consider a two handed fighting sorcerer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvXcybkcCeM

Bear in mind this is on Strimtom's pretty tapped out character with all the gear. A first life version would still be super fun.

That's actually the build I tried to adapt into TWF (personal preference for aesthetics!)

As a melee 1st life with no stat tomes, you most likely will not be landing any spells that require a difficulty check (DC), so I'd recommend staying away from them for now - if you wanted a spell blasting sorcerer we'd build you something different.

That's good to know! Im definitely not looking to be blasting - its the "spellblade" feel I was going for.

Sorcerers can swap a spell from their spell book every 3 days via the class trainer, just in can you need to swap things around.

I assume that's RL days?

[Mindos]

I assume that's RL days?

Ravenloft days? I actually don't know if it's three 16 hour "days" or full 24 hour days. Most days in ddo are really 16 hours long, such as free dice rolls.

[spifflove]

Well no one has said this yet so here goes:

(A real spellblade would be 8 fighter/12 wiz)

20 sorcerer
Drow
Dex 17
Con 12
Char 17 + level ups

1) maximize
3) Twf
6) precision
9) itwf
12) extend
15) ic puncturing
18) gtwf

Max skill spellcraft.

Dual shadow blades and Feydark, vistani.

Refer to various Dark Mary Builds (ranger, monk forums)

[Dhamp]

Ravenloft days? I actually don't know if it's three 16 hour "days" or full 24 hour days. Most days in ddo are really 16 hours long, such as free dice rolls.

That mythical thing called "Real Life"

[C-Dog]

I assume that's RL days?

Yes, 1 spell/72 hours.

[C-Dog]

I'll skip Warforged then I think!

400 favor is pretty fast, you can easily have it by Level 5-6 if you do most of the free content, no big obstacle there.

Throw together a FIre/Electric Sorc with Sonic Blast and 2x SLA's and crush content at that level, done. AND it will give you a taste of what a "vanilla" sorcie feels like, and then you'll have a mule to dump gear on later.

[voxson5]

OP, you can also do this build on a wizard on any race and self heal via death aura & negative energy burst by using the undead form from the palemaster enhancement tree.

The wizard version is a lot more forgiving IMO, as you get lots more feats, more spell slots and earlier, the undead immunities are even better than warforged, and you can leverage the harper tree (premium feature but unlockable later in the game) to get the battle trance for intelligence (that you would otherwise need favoured soul levels on your original sorcerer idea).

The smaller SP pool doesn't matter because you are melee, so it's just self healing & buffs.

[Dhamp]

OP, you can also do this build on a wizard on any race and self heal via death aura & negative energy burst by using the undead form from the palemaster enhancement tree.

The wizard version is a lot more forgiving IMO, as you get lots more feats, more spell slots and earlier, the undead immunities are even better than warforged, and you can leverage the harper tree (premium feature but unlockable later in the game) to get the battle trance for intelligence (that you would otherwise need favoured soul levels on your original sorcerer idea).

The smaller SP pool doesn't matter because you are melee, so it's just self healing & buffs.

I did consider that - It just needs so many different trees and investments, I feel like the cost isnt worth it - unless its an idea that could go super-low investment in a racial tree?

I am planning to use that as a base eventually for a STR based character along the same lines, but without Feydark. (im also considering a more heavily-feydark oriented build once Ive built up some boosts to Illusion DCs)

[voxson5]

I did consider that - It just needs so many different trees and investments, I feel like the cost isnt worth it - unless its an idea that could go super-low investment in a racial tree?

I am planning to use that as a base eventually for a STR based character along the same lines, but without Feydark. (im also considering a more heavily-feydark oriented build once Ive built up some boosts to Illusion DCs)

PM/EK doesn't need anything from racial trees so they can be ignored - gnome/deep gnome can give you greater colour spray, but it's not crucial, and DG can give illusion DC's but again not crucial. Not much else in other tree's that benefit's a melee PM... maybe runspeed via tabaxi, or the melee boosts from WF & HOrc.

Easy AP split for a pure 20 wizard PM/EK would probably be: 41 EK (capstone), at least 13 in PM for undead form and both neg amp enhancements, 12 in harper for INT to hit/damage/trance - that leaves 14 points to spend wherever you like.

Also, nothing wrong with rolling up a few different toons on different servers to try out different builds and see what the population is like for your play time. Easy way to get more store points too

[Dhamp]

PM/EK doesn't need anything from racial trees so they can be ignored - gnome/deep gnome can give you greater colour spray, but it's not crucial, and DG can give illusion DC's but again not crucial. Not much else in other tree's that benefit's a melee PM... maybe runspeed via tabaxi, or the melee boosts from WF & HOrc.

Easy AP split for a pure 20 wizard PM/EK would probably be: 41 EK (capstone), at least 13 in PM for undead form and both neg amp enhancements, 12 in harper for INT to hit/damage/trance - that leaves 14 points to spend wherever you like.

Also, nothing wrong with rolling up a few different toons on different servers to try out different builds and see what the population is like for your play time. Easy way to get more store points too

That's actually really helpful!

I think I've landed on the below - Elf is just a placeholder, I'll find a race I like the look of and flex it a bit for stats.


Character name: Test
Classes: 20 Wizard
Race: Elf · · · · · · · · ·Alignment: Neutral

· · ·Start Tome Final · · ·Incorp:· · ·5% · · ·Displacement:· · 0%
Str:· · ·8· · 0 · · 8 · · ·HP:· · · · 385 · · ·AC:· · 11
Dex:· · 16· · 2 · ·18 · · ·PRR: · · · · 0
Con:· · 12· · 0 · ·16 · · ·MRR: · · · · 0 · · ·+Healing Amp:· · ·0
Int:· · 18· · 0 · ·31 · · ·Dodge: · ·0/25 · · ·-Healing Amp:· · 56
Wis:· · ·8· · 0 · · 8 · · ·Fort:· · · 50% · · ·Repair Amp:· · · 20
Cha:· · ·8· · 0 · · 8 · · ·SR:· · · · · 0 · · ·BAB: · · · · · · 30
DR: 0\Adamantine
Immunities: Sleep, Fear, Magic Missiles

Special Feats
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Feydark Illusionist Tree
Harper Agent Tree


Class and Feat Selection
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Level Class · · · · · ·Feats
1 · · Wizard(1) · · · ·Standard: Two Weapon Fighting
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Metamagic: Extend Spell
2 · · Wizard(2) · · · ·
3 · · Wizard(3) · · · ·Standard: Precision
4 · · Wizard(4) · · · ·Intelligence: +1 Level up
5 · · Wizard(5) · · · ·Metamagic: Quicken Spell
6 · · Wizard(6) · · · ·Standard: Insightful Reflexes
7 · · Wizard(7) · · · ·
8 · · Wizard(8) · · · ·Intelligence: +1 Level up
9 · · Wizard(9) · · · ·Standard: Knight's Training
10· · Wizard(10)· · · ·Metamagic: Maximize Spell
11· · Wizard(11)· · · ·
12· · Wizard(12)· · · ·Standard: Improved Two Weapon Fighting
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Intelligence: +1 Level up
13· · Wizard(13)· · · ·
14· · Wizard(14)· · · ·
15· · Wizard(15)· · · ·Standard: Two Weapon Defense
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Metamagic: Mental Toughness
16· · Wizard(16)· · · ·Intelligence: +1 Level up
17· · Wizard(17)· · · ·
18· · Wizard(18)· · · ·Standard: Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
19· · Wizard(19)· · · ·
20· · Wizard(20)· · · ·Metamagic: Improved Mental Toughness
· · · · · · · · · · · ·Intelligence: +1 Level up


Granted Feats
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Deflect Arrows
Light Armor Proficiency
Medium Armor Proficiency
Mobile Spellcasting
Quick Draw
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Skills
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Skill Points· · ·24 ·6· 6 ·6· 6 ·6· 6 ·7· 7 ·7· 7 ·7· 7 ·7· 7 ·8· 8 ·8· 8 ·8
Skill Name· · · ·01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20· Total Buffed
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Balance · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· · 9.0 · 23.0
Bluff · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · ·9.0
Concentration · · 4 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· ·23.0 · 36.0
Diplomacy · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · ·9.0
Disable Device· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 20.0
Haggle· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · ·9.0
Heal· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · ·9.0
Hide· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 19.0
Intimidate· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · ·9.0
Jump· · · · · · · 2 ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ·11.5 · 20.5
Listen· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 11.0
Move Silently · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 14.0
Open Lock · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 14.0
Perform · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · ·9.0
Repair· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 21.0
Search· · · · · · 2 ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ·11.5 · 33.5
Spell Craft · · · 4 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· ·23.0 · 43.0
Spot· · · · · · · 2 ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ·11.5 · 22.5
Swim· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · ·9.0
Tumble· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 14.0
Use Magic Device· 2 ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ½ ·½· ·11.5 · 20.5
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Available Points· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0
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Enhancements: 80 APs
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Harper Agent - Points spent: 12
Core1 Agent of Good I
Tier1 Harper Enchantment
Tier1 Strategic Combat I
Core2 Harper Training I: +1 Intelligence
Tier2 Know the Angles - 3 Ranks
Tier3 Strategic Combat II
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Eldritch Knight (Wiz) - Points spent: 41
Core1 Eldritch Strike
Tier1 Improved Mage Armor - 3 Ranks
Tier1 Arcane Siphon - 3 Ranks
Core2 Spellsword
Tier2 Action Boost Spellpower - 3 Ranks
Tier3 Synergetic Magic
Core3 Imbue the Blade
Tier3 Ability I: +1 Intelligence
Tier3 Critical Mastery - 3 Ranks
Tier3 Arcane Barrier
Tier4 Knight's Transformation
Tier4 Force's Point
Tier4 Armored Arcana
Core4 Subtle Force I
Tier4 Ability II: +1 Intelligence
Core5 Subtle Force II
Tier5 Improved Knight's Transformation
Tier5 Knight's Arcanum: Knight's Striker
Tier5 Force's Edge
Tier5 Eldritch Tempest - 3 Ranks
Core6 Eldritch Blade
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Pale Master - Points spent: 13
Core1 Dark Reaping
Tier1 Negative Energy Conduit - 3 Ranks
Tier1 Spell Critical: Negative Energy I
Tier1 Deathless Vigor - 3 Ranks
Core2 Pale Shroud: Pale Master: Shroud of the Wraith
Tier2 Cloak of Night
Tier3 Negative Energy Adept - 3 Ranks
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Feydark Illusionist - Points spent: 14
Core1 Find Familiar: White Tressym
Tier1 Illusory Weaponry
Tier1 Study the Arcane - 3 Ranks
Core2 Ability I: Intelligence
Tier2 Reality Bulwark - 3 Ranks
Tier2 You've Got My Back
Core3 Greater Color Spray
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