Improved Deception granting the wrong enhancement values to the Bluff Skill

[QuantumFX]

Hi Devs,
The Bluff skill bonuses on the Improved Deception +<number> enchantments are not matching the values stated on the item.

Example: Heroic Aral'Aul'Nevae's Hide

According to the item, it should be granting +9 to the Bluff skill


However, my combat log and character sheet are only showing a +5 increase.


Please fix.

[J1NG]

Actually, this is only partly correct.

The +9 Bonus is actually being applied, but to the Hide Skill instead for the bonus. I'm sure if you scrolled a bit further up from what you screen captured of your Combat Log, it will show that there is a bonus being applied to the Hide Skill (+9) as well as the +5 to Bluff skill.

This isn't the only item that does this. The Amethyst Loupe also does this, granting a +20 bonus to Hide instead of Bluff, and the Bluff skill itself also gets a +5.

So there's a bit more to sort out than just fixing the amount being given. In a way, we're getting more than what the ability suggests right now. But those planning a specific setup may prefer accurate buffs instead to optimise builds over unexpected buff increases, even if it is a net bonus overall.

J1NG

[LightBear]

Actually, this is only partly correct.

The +9 Bonus is actually being applied, but to the Hide Skill instead for the bonus. I'm sure if you scrolled a bit further up from what you screen captured of your Combat Log, it will show that there is a bonus being applied to the Hide Skill (+9) as well as the +5 to Bluff skill.


J1NG

Isn't it wrong twice then as I fail to spot the bonus to the Hide Skill in the explanatory text of "Improved Deception +9:" or anywhere else on that item?
Sorry for everyone that is using this item for sneaking.

[jskinner937]

Isn't it wrong twice then as I fail to spot the bonus to the Hide Skill in the explanatory text of "Improved Deception +9:" or anywhere else on that item?
Sorry for everyone that is using this item for sneaking.

Not to mention most of the newer improved deception items do not proc the envelop darkness effect. From my experience the golden guile, Dun’bar Ring, GH Gloves and Sharn rings work. Maybe some other older items as well.

[LightBear]

Not to mention most of the newer improved deception items do not proc the envelop darkness effect. From my experience the golden guile, Dun’bar Ring, GH Gloves and Sharn rings work. Maybe some other older items as well.

There are at least three different types of improved deception. The classic one that just says improved deception without any numerical numbers, this one's cloak-in-darkness should still work. One with roman numbers I to X, these Roman numbers later got altered to Latin numbers 1 to 10 and then even later got its text altered to no longer have the cloak-in-darkness and possibly no longer capped at 10 (Eg. Roman "X"). And now we have an old (broken?) improved deception back again.


Also, if I recall correctly, the Improved Deception I to X only appeared on special blue bordered items in various Eveningstar treasure tables and now once again on a level 7 item. Displacer beast hide shure is powerful.

[Mindos]

https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Aral%2...Nevae%27s_Hide

[J1NG]

Isn't it wrong twice then as I fail to spot the bonus to the Hide Skill in the explanatory text of "Improved Deception +9:" or anywhere else on that item?
Sorry for everyone that is using this item for sneaking.

Possible.

However, it could also be that it's supposed to simply apply another skill boost effect that's identical to that offered by the basic Improved Deception of +5 to Bluff anyway. And as the same type of bonus, only the greater one will apply (+5 offered by Improved Deception, is then overwritten by +20, and as same type, the correct amount of +20 applies).

However, this might be also why Improved Deception doesn't do the envelop in darkness effect, as it might be thinking that two buffs to skills shouldn't take place and one overwrote the other, including possibly that Improved Deception is not really a skill buff effect, but has a side property of also buffing the Bluff skill, but when the +20 or +9 in OP case happened, it overwrote the Imrproved Deception ability entirely (possibly).

In any event, this is one for the Devs to solve.

J1NG

[jskinner937]

There are at least three different types of improved deception. The classic one that just says improved deception without any numerical numbers, this one's cloak-in-darkness should still work. One with roman numbers I to X, these Roman numbers later got altered to Latin numbers 1 to 10 and then even later got its text altered to no longer have the cloak-in-darkness and possibly no longer capped at 10 (Eg. Roman "X"). And now we have an old (broken?) improved deception back again.


Also, if I recall correctly, the Improved Deception I to X only appeared on special blue bordered items in various Eveningstar treasure tables and now once again on a level 7 item. Displacer beast hide shure is powerful.

Tell me if you ever get the vine lash bracers to proc envelop darkness.