Why do I get 14 Salt Hay and 0 Chits in a level 3-6 quest ?

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

Hello,

I'm still angry that I get Salt Meadow Hay in a level 3 quest (played at elite difficulty, which means that irt is de facto level 6) or which I have no use because I have no level 30 character (and only very few at level 20+).

I mean, if I was playing this game as a new player, I would seriously ask myself why I get end game items at level 3-6 ?

Okay, people will say that this Hay is super great to collect at level 3, because it makes collecting that for end game so much easier.
But, this way I feel kind of cheated, like what I was playing was merely an aooendage of end game, and not really meant to be played at levels 3-6.
I mean, it really feels as if i should NOT play this at level 3-6, BECAUSE that Hay incredient is only for end game.

Randall Lyric doesn't even accept Hay for Heroic augments.
And given the fact hat the Chits are SO MUCH RARE compared to Hay, I would NEVER give him any collected Chits for augments ! Comparing how rare the Hits are compared to the Hay, it would be - like the proverb goes - like throwing [feeding with] pearls before the swine - meaning : feeding someone with something insanely rare and expensive to get something weak and tiny out in exchange.

And why do I never see in my play time (time zones)player characters with Saltmarsh gear running round ? Although everyone tells me how great it is to use that Hay as an ingredient ?
I have NEVER seen ANY player charscter wearing or carrying Saltmarsh gear except twice. And that although everyone always says how great it is to have that much Hay as an Epic Ingredient.

Why am I not allowed to use that Hay for Heroic items ?

[rabidfox]

That hay out of heroic is so you can make the level 20 items when you hit 20 (and not having run level 32 content to make level 20 gear); it's QoL for epic gear upgrades. I use a few of the level 3 items and level 20 stuff but not the level 30 ones in my setup. But to make the level 30 items, you also need the star fragments which only come from the legendary level chests. As for chits not dropping, that's just RNG hating you.

[Weemadarthur]

Hello,

I'm still angry that I get Salt Meadow Hay in a level 3 quest (played at elite difficulty, which means that irt is de facto level 6) or which I have no use because I have no level 30 character (and only very few at level 20+).

I mean, if I was playing this game as a new player, I would seriously ask myself why I get end game items at level 3-6 ?

Okay, people will say that this Hay is super great to collect at level 3, because it makes collecting that for end game so much easier.
But, this way I feel kind of cheated, like what I was playing was merely an aooendage of end game, and not really meant to be played at levels 3-6.
I mean, it really feels as if i should NOT play this at level 3-6, BECAUSE that Hay incredient is only for end game.

Randall Lyric doesn't even accept Hay for Heroic augments.
And given the fact hat the Chits are SO MUCH RARE compared to Hay, I would NEVER give him any collected Chits for augments ! Comparing how rare the Hits are compared to the Hay, it would be - like the proverb goes - like throwing [feeding with] pearls before the swine - meaning : feeding someone with something insanely rare and expensive to get something weak and tiny out in exchange.

And why do I never see in my play time (time zones)player characters with Saltmarsh gear running round ? Although everyone tells me how great it is to use that Hay as an ingredient ?
I have NEVER seen ANY player charscter wearing or carrying Saltmarsh gear except twice. And that although everyone always says how great it is to have that much Hay as an Epic Ingredient.

Why am I not allowed to use that Hay for Heroic items ?

So as this question has been answered soooooo many times that it beggars belief I will try a different approach and ask you the following questions:-

1) Do you honestly think it would be fairer to make players run level 32 content to upgrade their heroic gear to level 20?

2) Do you honestly think that the heroic loot isn't powerful enough for level 3 items and actually needs an upgrade path?

3) Do you think that the game is better off catering for the majority of the playerbase (those that play the full game from 1-30) or a tiny subset of that that only plays 1-20?

4) How exactly would you facilitate the upgrading of gear from level 3-20 considering there is no level 20 version of these quests if hay was removed from the level 3 version?

[Annex]

The Saltmarsh upgrade system, as part of updated Epic Crafting, makes equipping Level 20 and 30 secondary characters somewhat easier than before. The level 30 equipment can serve as a stepping stone until better pieces drop. Lynnabel deserves praise for the effort and I hope The Isle of Dread continues the system with Level 7, 20, and 32 pieces.

If you want more barter options for Saltmeadow Hay, please consider making some suggestions. You could not ask for a more sympathetic and helpful developer than Lynnabel.

I agree with Rabidfox with regards your luck collecting Quartermaster Chits. Keep at it.

[boredGamer]

Hello,

I'm still angry that I get Salt Meadow Hay in a level 3 quest (played at elite difficulty, which means that irt is de facto level 6) or which I have no use because I have no level 30 character (and only very few at level 20+).

I mean, if I was playing this game as a new player, I would seriously ask myself why I get end game items at level 3-6 ?

Okay, people will say that this Hay is super great to collect at level 3, because it makes collecting that for end game so much easier.
But, this way I feel kind of cheated, like what I was playing was merely an aooendage of end game, and not really meant to be played at levels 3-6.
I mean, it really feels as if i should NOT play this at level 3-6, BECAUSE that Hay incredient is only for end game.

Randall Lyric doesn't even accept Hay for Heroic augments.
And given the fact hat the Chits are SO MUCH RARE compared to Hay, I would NEVER give him any collected Chits for augments ! Comparing how rare the Hits are compared to the Hay, it would be - like the proverb goes - like throwing [feeding with] pearls before the swine - meaning : feeding someone with something insanely rare and expensive to get something weak and tiny out in exchange.

And why do I never see in my play time (time zones)player characters with Saltmarsh gear running round ? Although everyone tells me how great it is to use that Hay as an ingredient ?
I have NEVER seen ANY player charscter wearing or carrying Saltmarsh gear except twice. And that although everyone always says how great it is to have that much Hay as an Epic Ingredient.

Why am I not allowed to use that Hay for Heroic items ?

I've never seen someone beat a drum, so hard, so long, for a cause so preposterous.

Yeah, I'll answer your question - this game was not meant to be played forever at level 3-6. Here's how I know, there's a level 7.

Instead of fighting the game, join it, you'll be much happier. Or if you insist on not playing the whole game, just ignore the part you're not playing.

[Wahnsinnig]

Hello,

I think everyone that plays DDO, except you, thinks that is is great that they have ingredients to upgrade Saltmarsh gear to lvl 20 when they reach 20. That makes it possible for a new player to actually have some decent gear at 20, instead of the junk that you get at lvl 15-20.

[Smelt32]

If getting hay annoys you so much.... why not skip saltmarsh until you need the hay and go play some of the other level 3-6 content? there is plenty of it that doesn't burden you hay. Of coursae when you get to level 20 we'll all be expecting another post from you complaining that you have to level 32 content to get level 20 gear!

[PedXing20]

So as this question has been answered soooooo many times that it beggars belief ...

Look at the OP's posting history. He's not looking for an answer....

[Weemadarthur]

Look at the OP's posting history. He's not looking for an answer....

I am aware (if you look a bit closer you will see I have actually answered this question for him before more than once). I was just trying to get the Op to acknowledge that this has been answered or at the very least see if he had any response that would offer any alternative. As per usual though he asks a question, ignores all responses and will then complain about how no-one ever talks about heroics despite the amount of responses he got and then ignored.

[LightBear]

OP is right. Why can't we upgrade these items to a higher heroic version?

Why this dreaded focus on level 30. There is no point in staying there as there are about 30 other levels to enjoy.

[boredGamer]

OP is right. Why can't we upgrade these items to a higher heroic version?

Why this dreaded focus on level 30. There is no point in staying there as there are about 30 other levels to enjoy.

You too eh. Luckily we can upgrade them to 20. And there are many other heroic items . Phew.

[LightBear]

Different viewpoints exist. You don't have to agree with me that they do.

[Oxarhamar]

OP is right. Why can't we upgrade these items to a higher heroic version?

Why this dreaded focus on level 30. There is no point in staying there as there are about 30 other levels to enjoy.

It would make it much smoother to allow hay to be traded for chits

Im glad they did away with the nonsence of dropping heroic items in legendary that need upgrading

The level 20 mats are annoying if you ate after herioc stuffs ueeful for lvl 20 sure still annoying when after chits

[Halciet]

The chit drop rate is unfortunate. I much prefer the ~100% single drop with 20 or more for turn in instead of this sort of modestly low drop rate and 5-20 for turn in.

The Hay is fine for the Heroic -> Epic upgrade. Getting Hay in Heroic is useful for that purpose. The Hay would also be useful for the Epic -> Legendary upgrade, except in Saltmarsh you can just loot the Legendary item (unlike all the other places that use this system.)

Running Legendary for Sentient XP or Nebula (or even just running the good quests for XP) you'll quickly end up with more Hay than you could ever want.

While I would miss the extra Sentient XP from the items dropping as Legendary, I think it would be better if Saltmarsh were consistent with the rest of the system and always dropped named items as Heroic (aside from the minor artifacts of course.) They could always tweak up 1000 Sentient XP drop rate ever so slightly to compensate. It would also let us get the Epic items without having to farm Heroic. It would also give us something to do with all this Hay.

[Shefenhow]

I'm still angry that I get Salt Meadow Hay in a level 3 quest (played at elite difficulty, which means that irt is de facto level 6) or which I have no use because I have no level 30 character (and only very few at level 20+).

You are angry, that you get something for free.... Okaaay.

I mean, if I was playing this game as a new player, I would seriously ask myself why I get end game items at level 3-6 ?

If you were playing this as a new player, you would have no clue what it was for and loot it in case you needed it later.

And why do I never see in my play time (time zones)player characters with Saltmarsh gear running round ?

Anyone could be wearing up to four pieces and you would have no clue if they were wearing it or not. If they have a set of five you can see the 'buff' icon if you inspect them, do you inspect everyone you see?

Some of the epic items are great at level 20, some of the level 30 gear is also great, though not everyone can grab the set bonus, but it does give more options.

[Aelonwy]

While I would miss the extra Sentient XP from the items dropping as Legendary, I think it would be better if Saltmarsh were consistent with the rest of the system and always dropped named items as Heroic (aside from the minor artifacts of course.) They could always tweak up 1000 Sentient XP drop rate ever so slightly to compensate. It would also let us get the Epic items without having to farm Heroic. It would also give us something to do with all this Hay.

I very much disagree. I would far rather have excess hay than NOT get adequately rewarded for running epic elite and higher difficulties. Remember upgraded items do NOT have mythic/reaper bonuses, only looted items. Yes, yes they've added a way to add reaper bonuses to items but OMG it looks to be the grindiest of grindy crafting. Also they've made such a big deal about rewarding us appropriately for running harder and harder difficulties to the point of phasing out chain rewards because they don't want people to run normal and get a guaranteed item... and you want us to get heroic level 3 items for running a level 32 quest on any difficulty let alone elite/reaper? Heck no. Uh uh. It might be different if all epic/legendary quests had been S/S/S item crafting from the beginning but you are only going to DEVALUE current/future legendary content by NOT having it drop the loot appropriate for its level and difficulty in comparison to most other legendary content. ESPECIALLY expansion/mini-expansion content.

[Halciet]

I very much disagree. I would far rather have excess hay than NOT get adequately rewarded for running epic elite and higher difficulties. Remember upgraded items do NOT have mythic/reaper bonuses, only looted items. Yes, yes they've added a way to add reaper bonuses to items but OMG it looks to be the grindiest of grindy crafting. Also they've made such a big deal about rewarding us appropriately for running harder and harder difficulties to the point of phasing out chain rewards because they don't want people to run normal and get a guaranteed item... and you want us to get heroic level 3 items for running a level 32 quest on any difficulty let alone elite/reaper? Heck no. Uh uh. It might be different if all epic/legendary quests had been S/S/S item crafting from the beginning but you are only going to DEVALUE current/future legendary content by NOT having it drop the loot appropriate for its level and difficulty in comparison to most other legendary content. ESPECIALLY expansion/mini-expansion content.

In that case they could always just update the old S/S/S content to be consistent and I guess they would need to drop epic version when run on epic. The mythic/reaper bonuses being lost is a very valid point and I don't expect any time soon that we will have upgrade systems that keep those bonuses through the upgrade process.

The main gripe I have is the inconsistency and also nothing much to do with all the Hay. I guess they could let us use the S/S/S upgrade ingredients to add those bonuses onto the appropriate content items but *shrug*

[ahpook]

Remember upgraded items do NOT have mythic/reaper bonuses, only looted items. ...

This is what they should have fixed (IMHO). Keep the mythic/reaper bonus when upgrading. With enough hay and star fragments, getting the level 4ish item would have been fine if it kept those bonuses on upgrade. And it adds flexibility as the level 4 item can be a 4 or a 20 or 30 level item. Add an epic and legendary altar to Saltmarsh environment and it would have been fine. But because SSG missed those two important steps (keep bonuses, make upgrade location convenient) people were rightly irritated and they rushed out the solution they did.

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

You are angry, that you get something for free.... Okaaay.

You probably say this from the position of someone who plays Epics and end game i general. For you, getting the Hay is great. For me, I have no use for it.

I really have no use for the hay, but I still get masses of it. Instead of getting Chits, of course. That's the point. The Chits , which I *do* have use for, are so insanely rare, whereas the things I have *no* use for, are things I get masses of.

Anyone could be wearing up to four pieces and you would have no clue if they were wearing it or not. If they have a set of five you can see the 'buff' icon if you inspect them, do you inspect everyone you see?

I do not see many player characters actually wearing them, from the looks. Maybe they are hidden by cosmetic items. But I hardly ever see any player character wearing Saltmarsh armor.

[ahpook]

I really have no use for the hay, but I still get masses of it. Instead of getting Chits, of course. That's the point. The Chits , which I *do* have use for, are so insanely rare, whereas the things I have *no* use for, are things I get masses of.

No the point is that the drop rate of Quartermaster Chits is too low. Since that is your concern then I suggest that you post a message saying "The drop rate of quarter master chits is too low. It takes on average XXX runs to get enough chits to get an item which is too many for reason...."

Bringing in saltmarsh hay needlessly distracts from your point and gets people talking about how useful saltmarsh hay is instead of your actual concern about Quartermaster chits. Focus your issue to prevent digressions that make your point get ignored. Even now it is going to do that very thing by having me close out this post talking about hay rather than chits:

Lots of people find Hay useful. If you don't like it you can leave it in the chest and ignore it. There are lots of things in chests I have no use for (various eberron and dragonshard fragments for example) but complaining about something I can ignore is rather silly. Don't be silly.