Classes that do not have an iconic

[fatherpirate]

This is a thread to discuss which class [is/should be] next for iconic.

Current classes without an iconic.

Sorc
Arty
FS
Dru
Alch
War

so which do you think will be next, monk is not on the list because it is already coming out.

Many have been hoping for Sorc so I think it is the most likely one next.

[axel15810]

One of the free to play classes is very likely based on their past choices.

Which one really depends on what fits with whatever race they go with. They probably decide the class after deciding the race and not vice versa.

[MagicalDad]

And to match it, races that don't yet have an iconic:

Dragonborn
Drow
Dwarf
Halfling
H-orc

(PDK is really an iconic Human, and Morninglord covers all 3 of the Elf sub-races, arguably)

So,

DBorn Sorc
Drow Warlock
HOrc Druid (No Wisdom penalty, and STR is good. Some sort of Bear pluses in racial tree)
Dwarf Arty (already have the Scottish accent, are crafters in PnP)
Halfling Alchemist

That only leaves FvS.

[droid327]

Sadly, this dev team seems to enjoy caving to pressure on certain things - so I think, now that FvS is a F2P class, we'll see a Kobold FvS iconic

[FuzzyDuck81]

The iconics' racial features don't necessarily align 100% with the class, morninglord cleric gets racial boost to INT & deep gnome wizards get a boost to wisdom after all.

Half orc druid could a definite possibility since that'd tie in perfectly with the gatekeepers & it'd likely include boosts against outsiders & aberrations, less STR & rage stuff though, more like a couple of SLAs & casting boosts. The other possibility I'm in favour of it being a Talenta halfling shaman with a dinosaur companion & have some additional racial boosts to it, but is based off character rather than druid class level so it retains viability regardless of being multiclassed or not, but also be able to benefit from the same class based enhancements that would boost a wolf.

Dragonborn iconic as a sorcerer would fit mechanically, but I think it's also possible that there could be some work on dwarven subraces in the same way as wood elf was added, in which case they might also add Duregar which would be another solid possibility.

[Artos_Fabril]

And to match it, races that don't yet have an iconic:

DBorn Sorc
Drow Warlock
HOrc Druid (No Wisdom penalty, and STR is good. Some sort of Bear pluses in racial tree)
Dwarf Arty (already have the Scottish accent, are crafters in PnP)
Halfling Alchemist

Dragonborn Sorc has the most synergy, and HOrc Druid has the clearest intersect with the Gatekeepers.

Therefore I predict the next Iconic will be Dwarf Warlock. The Iconic dwarf will start without a Cha penalty or bonus, and take a penalty on int. They'll get a castable Earthgrab in racial, some bonuses to acid damage and spell power, and probably greataxes. They'll end up being better Sorcs or Barbs than Warlocks, as is typical of Iconics.

[ShifterThePirate]

Iconics are new races most of the time that release with an Expansion. So I doubt they will use the current available races without iconic for any new ones

[KraftLorance]

A few months ago, I would have loved for there to have been a Platinum Dragonborn of Bahamut. They would have fit into the Forgotten Realms nicely, possibly as another adventure pack or expansion on that plane of existence. And they would be a great springboard for offloading more information about the FR religion/pantheon.

And while I've heard Severlin explain why we don't have Tiamat in the game (and I fully agree that something so iconic and beloved as the Dragon Queen needs to be done a kind of justice that DDO currently can't manage yet), Dragonborn of Bahamut would serve as an excellent anchor point for future Tiamat modules to interlock with.

One of the big reasons I was keen on this was in the hopes that it would be added to the total Favor rewards, so that you would unlock both Favored Soul and the Dragonborn of Bahamut simultaneously. (In general, I find the favor rewards to be rather flaccid, which is a shame because conceptually it is my favorite part of DDO.) The thinking on my part is:
1) DDO gives away a Race and a Class through favor. They should therefore also give away an iconic.
1b) The iconic should be new so that we don't have to hear endless complaints from people who already bought the iconic being given away.
1c) Because the Iconic is a reskinned Dragonborn and being given away for free, it gives F2P and Premium players a way to test drive Dragonborn- if they like the Iconic version, they'd be onboarded into buying the race, buying VIP for the race, or even buying the New Player Bundle that had the race.
1d) Because the Iconic is an Iconic given away for free, it gives F2P, Premium and VIP players a way to test drive Iconics- if they like the processes and the idea of a unique racial tree, they'd be onboarded into buying other Iconics. (Yes, I know VIP get access to the Deep Gnome already. In the ~7 years they've been out, I've never felt a desire to play one.)
2) Because Favored Soul is also given away for free, we don't have to worry about not being able to level in the base class.
3) It could serve as a neat test pilot for a future update of Dragonborn to include metallic colors.

Now, with the recent Update 53 giving away a LOT of stuff for free (including dragonborn), most of the arguments I could make for Dragonborn of Bahamu being free are null and void. And given that most the the best reasons for the next Iconic being Dragonborn of Bahamu rested on it being free, the fact that I can no longer make a strong case for it being free means it's pretty dead in the water.

Dragonborn of Bahamu is no more or less valid than any other class/race combination. So, I guess I'm down for whatever SSG puts up.

Sadly, this dev team seems to enjoy caving to pressure on certain things - so I think, now that FvS is a F2P class, we'll see a Kobold FvS iconic

No, we need a Kobold Paladin of Kurtulmak. Lawful Natural, putting the needs of the warren above any individual Kobold's delusions of power. Favored weapon Warpick. Instead of Lay on Hands they get Lay on Kobolds. (whatever that means).

[AlcoArgo]

No No No No No No No NO!

I am already falling further behind completing my main with this stupid cat thing. More Iconics are not needed. Leave the grind alone.

[magaiti]

Let's go against the system!
Half-Orc Sorcerer
Dwarf Druid
Kobold Warlock

[KoobTheProud]

Sadly, this dev team seems to enjoy caving to pressure on certain things - so I think, now that FvS is a F2P class, we'll see a Kobold FvS iconic

Oh plz, oh plz, oh plz...

[LightBear]

Let's go against the system!
Half-Orc Sorcerer
Dwarf Druid
Kobold Warlock

Oh plz, oh plz, oh plz...

Pritty much this. Looking back at the previous iconics there are no obvious cookiecutter race/class combos.
The only one that seems to have a fitting race-class is PDK because humans fit with everything.

Would absolutely roll out the bucks when kobolds are brought out as a playable race.

Dragonborn - a new class
Drow - FavoredSoul
Dwarf - Warlock
Halfling - Alchemist
H-orc - Sorc

Would give two possible classes for introducing a new race and with it iconic.
Arty - New race
Dru - New race

[fatherpirate]

Someone did bring up a valid point, [lately] the new iconics
are tied to a new race. In which case the next iconic will
likely be a kobald something --- or similar.

[rohmer]

We clearly need a Kobold Sorc iconic.... Thats the only POSSIBLE answer to this thread.

[Artos_Fabril]

We clearly need a Kobold Sorc iconic.... Thats the only POSSIBLE answer to this thread.

Equally, we clearly didn't need a Tabaxi stick-monk, so predicting what we will get based on what we need is not a reliable method.

[boredGamer]

Pritty much this. Looking back at the previous iconics there are no obvious cookiecutter race/class combos.
The only one that seems to have a fitting race-class is PDK because humans fit with everything.

Would absolutely roll out the bucks when kobolds are brought out as a playable race.

Dragonborn - a new class
Drow - FavoredSoul
Dwarf - Warlock
Halfling - Alchemist
H-orc - Sorc

Would give two possible classes for introducing a new race and with it iconic.
Arty - New race
Dru - New race

Yeah, the going theory is they can sell +1 hearts by making useless combos.

Proposal SSG: make good combos that we WANT to buy instead. The current system just feels like a tax, proposed system feels like we're buying something we want. See how that's better?

[fatherpirate]

The only things we are pretty sure about ...
is they will not use a class they already have an iconic of
and it is unlikely they will use a race currently represented
as an iconic already (at this time).

anything else is fair game.

[Zuldar]

I could see a drow fvs, lean heavily on the vulkoor stuff. Maybe a racial wild shape into on of those scorpion hybrids.

[FuzzyDuck81]

I could see a drow fvs, lean heavily on the vulkoor stuff. Maybe a racial wild shape into on of those scorpion hybrids.

Vulkoor is definitely one of the ones that needs a significant boost to the level 6 ability, it's near useless beyond it's level. If you want to keep the summon, treat it like the pale master skeleton & make it scale with character level so when you call an avatar of your god, it doesn't get slapped down like an uppity kobold - either that or yeah, make it a wildshape/mantle type ability that gives stat boosts & a powerful poison eg. damage on every hit, ability damage on crit & no-save paralysing on vorpals.

[Amorais]

Kobold Sorceror with Lightning Bolt, Obscuring Cloud and Hold Person as SLA's in their racial tree.