Tempest ranger dex to hit and damage not working in wolf form?

[chemicalwaste]

I’m rolling a 2 rogue 6 ranger 12 Druid, shadar ki Druid wolf duel wield scimitar dex base whip build. I’m using the tempest ranger scimitar light weaps, dex to hit and damage. In human form, the stats for dexterity shows up on the weapon. I go to wolf form and it disappears. But the scimitar light weapons still there.

Ddo wiki states in wolf form
Effects that modify your weapon's base stats work normally, such as changing your primary damage stat.

So, shouldn’t the tempest dex to hit and damage stay? So the question is is this broken or just a error in display?

Any thoughts on what’s going on?

Thanks

[Zeleron]

Probably because you are natural fighting and not two-weapon fighting while in wolf form. Where as the change to scimitars to light is just all the time.

[misterski]

I’m rolling a 2 rogue 6 ranger 12 Druid, shadar ki Druid wolf duel wield scimitar dex base whip build. I’m using the tempest ranger scimitar light weaps, dex to hit and damage. In human form, the stats for dexterity shows up on the weapon. I go to wolf form and it disappears. But the scimitar light weapons still there.

Ddo wiki states in wolf form
Effects that modify your weapon's base stats work normally, such as changing your primary damage stat.

So, shouldn’t the tempest dex to hit and damage stay? So the question is is this broken or just a error in display?

Any thoughts on what’s going on?

Thanks

Because single-weapon, two-weapon, and two-handed fighting (and the shield feats) do not work in wolf or bear forms. Wolf and bear forms use the natural fighting style exclusively. Afraid you're going to have to redo your build

[Fauxknight]

Probably because you are natural fighting and not two-weapon fighting while in wolf form. Where as the change to scimitars to light is just all the time.

This seems to be it. Both the Dex to hit and the Dex to damage only function when.you are TWF and Wolf form (and Bear) can not TWF.

You could use weapons that naturally allow dex to hit and damage, but that severely limits your options. Wolves don't TWF, so even if using a light weapon in the main hand you may want to rethink the offhand.

[chemicalwaste]

It’s interesting that the tempest dex hit and damage doesn’t list any conditions such as this doesn’t work in Druid wolf form

[Mindos]

It’s interesting that the tempest dex hit and damage doesn’t list any conditions such as this doesn’t work in Druid wolf form

Dual Wielding, which you are not doing in Bear/Wolf form, since your attack changes into animal.



https://ddowiki.com/page/Wild_Shape#Animal_Forms

[chemicalwaste]

thanks for the input, I see it now. I made a bad assumption that putting 2 weapons in hands you are automatically 2 weapon fighting, even though you wouldn't benefit from the feats. In druid wolf form you are not twf at all even if you use 2 weapons.

Well, I got a good guild that will bust me to 30 real quick so I can get out of this disaster ;p

[droid327]

thanks for the input, I see it now. I made a bad assumption that putting 2 weapons in hands you are automatically 2 weapon fighting, even though you wouldn't benefit from the feats. In druid wolf form you are not twf at all even if you use 2 weapons.

Well, I got a good guild that will bust me to 30 real quick so I can get out of this disaster ;p

Well it's not a total disaster....you still have 6 rgr so you can go T5 tempest and just stay human form with DoD. Plus druid isn't only good for wild form - you can still make use of the spell book for buffs and heals and even dots like creeping cold that don't have saves

Alternatively, Whirlwind is an amazing sword, second only to SoS, and is dex native, and can be bought for Sands tokens if you have a bunch saved up. And your feats are probably pretty well screwed over but you can still Fred GTWF for one tier of natural fighting at least

[Mindos]

Wiki reads that only the main hand weapon effects, +W, etc work. So what happens to the off hand weapons procs, like celestia, etc.? Does the game act as if nothing is in the offhand at all?

[chemicalwaste]

That is correct, in ddo “duel wield” and “two weapon fighting” are the same thing. Meaning that your offhand simply doesn’t exist even though you can still slot something there in wolf form. I thought that duel wield just means putting a weapon in your off hand and two weapon fighting meant you get a small benefit with offhand attacks, that get boosted with feats.

Silly me

[unbongwah]

I’m rolling a 2 rogue 6 ranger 12 Druid, shadar ki Druid wolf duel wield scimitar dex base whip build.

It sounds like you tried a variation on Strimtom's SDK wolf build. He takes advantage of Tempest making scimitars into light weapons for SDK chain attacks, but it's STR-based. As you've already discovered, dual-wielding combat-style bonuses don't apply in animal forms; that includes special attacks like Dance of Death. The odd thing about Tempest is it makes scimitars count as light weapons but they still don't work with the Weapon Finesse feat; so you can only get DEX to hit with scimitars from the Tempest tree while dual-wielding.

You can stick with DEX-based if you switch to other light or Finesseable weapons, take the Weapon Finesse feat*, and take Improved Weapon Finesse from DWS tree.

*Unless using daggers or kukris, in which case you can use Assassin's Dagger in the Back enhancement which will carry over to animal form.