question about monk multiclass

[math92]

hi, im not a monk player tho i enjoy playing melee. i been playing casters for some time now cause they are hot atm. i have more sort of general question rather than asking for details. but i was looking at the monk trees and they dont seem appealing to me at all. neither of those. they all have like 1000 abilities and some passives here and there. and even the passives seems weak. but when i play melee i like to have few buttons and to feel like caster again and having whole keyboard on keybinds - please no. so, i have the itch to punch stuff but not be in the monk trees at all. fighter is my most favorite from tree prospective and it seems like it would go really well. i would invest most of my points in kensei, stalwart and take wis to hit and dmg from falconry. that seems all fine and smooth. but, what the split should look like here? 18/2 ? cause i honestly have no idea. is there something important from monk lvls i should not miss? what do you think about this? thank you

[Artos_Fabril]

hi, im not a monk player tho i enjoy playing melee. i been playing casters for some time now cause they are hot atm. i have more sort of general question rather than asking for details. but i was looking at the monk trees and they dont seem appealing to me at all. neither of those. they all have like 1000 abilities and some passives here and there. and even the passives seems weak. but when i play melee i like to have few buttons and to feel like caster again and having whole keyboard on keybinds - please no. so, i have the itch to punch stuff but not be in the monk trees at all. fighter is my most favorite from tree prospective and it seems like it would go really well. i would invest most of my points in kensei, stalwart and take wis to hit and dmg from falconry. that seems all fine and smooth. but, what the split should look like here? 18/2 ? cause i honestly have no idea. is there something important from monk lvls i should not miss? what do you think about this? thank you

If you want the Monk PL, you're looking at 12 monk/8 fighter. That gets you two Tactics feats from Fighter, Crit Mult at Core 3 and Threat Range at T5 from Kensai and allows you to stack on 25 PRR/MRR and 20% HP in stalwart defense that Monks really need.

[math92]

If you want the Monk PL, you're looking at 12 monk/8 fighter. That gets you two Tactics feats from Fighter, Crit Mult at Core 3 and Threat Range at T5 from Kensai and allows you to stack on 25 PRR/MRR and 20% HP in stalwart defense that Monks really need.

no, i dont want monk PL. and stalwart defense HP %, is medium/heavy or shield equipped only.

[Artos_Fabril]

no, i dont want monk PL. and stalwart defense HP %, is medium/heavy or shield equipped only.

Ah, right. I'm sure there's a good reason to tie Kensai bonuses to Light/No armor and SD to Medium/Heavy because fighters would be too OP if you could use them together...

If you're not doing it for the monk life, and you don't want monk abilities I guess I don't understand why you want to be wis based? If you still wanna punch stuff, try Razorclaw Handwrap Fighter/Barb?

[math92]

Ah, right. I'm sure there's a good reason to tie Kensai bonuses to Light/No armor and SD to Medium/Heavy because fighters would be too OP if you could use them together...

If you're not doing it for the monk life, and you don't want monk abilities I guess I don't understand why you want to be wis based? If you still wanna punch stuff, try Razorclaw Handwrap Fighter/Barb?

yeah im not much into the razorclaw handwrap thingy right now. i might give it a try one day tho. i was thinking wis based because i will have stunning fist which is very helpful and is wisdom dc. also the kensi offers wisdom attributes. high will saves are pretty good as well. along side with ocean stance +2 wis and dodge bonus. which i really want to maximaze the dodge cause i never played dodge builds like monk. it feels really fresh to me and having fun with dodge. but idk, i do have to invest about 12 points to get the wis to hit and dmg. but it is what it is i guess? you said 12 monk 8 fighter. thank you for that advice.

[Seph1roth5]

Monk is one of my favorite classes, but I like having a lot of stuff to do. Light monk with a full array of elemental attacks/finishers woo!

If you don't want all that...people splash some monk (1-6) to get access to the elemental stances, which are pretty strong. And you can take the higher versions as regular feats too. Or can splash 2 monk for evasion+stances as long as you stay in robes. So maybe an eldritch knight or rogue?

[Saekee]

people splash some monk (1-6) to get access to the elemental stances, which are pretty strong. And you can take the higher versions as regular feats too. Or can splash 2 monk for evasion+stances as long as you stay in robes. So maybe an eldritch knight or rogue?

this--with only one monk level you can take the stances through Grandmaster. Fighter has lots of feats. You also get bonus feats at levels 1, 2 and 6 for monks so 2 monk might even net you a couple.

• I have seen casters on 2 monk for evasion and then buffing wisdom in the stance, not so common
• 3 monk for dex to hit and damage and shuriken star cores, not of interest to you. But three monk lets you take Jade Strike, really sweet
• 6 monk for shadow veil.
• If you are not doing stunning fist you can do any weaponized monk with kensei or burn feats for Whirling Steel Strike (although if you are doing tier 5 kensei there is no reason to waste feats on WSS other then using longswords before level 12). Long swords have revived weaponized monks although there is dire need to fix up the monk trees, especially ninja spy.
• The Henshin tree lets you stack vulnerability on mobs if that is your thing in some long boss fight.
• for heroics, some monk stuff is pretty nice--henshin AoE healing that you can do even without staves, or the massive doublestrike in the ninja tier 5 coupled with touch of death. The doublestrike in late epics ends up being redundant with gear but not in heroics or low epics.

Monk will nix your MRR cap in robes but in heroics you won't feel this so much.

[math92]

thank you all for advice. read them all. appreaciate it. i decided to go pure monk and see how it goes. my falconry, vistany, and half orc trees are mostly passives. and 41 points spent in the shintao. which i took all the abilites and the good stuff