New Hardcore League Season Ideas

[Oxarhamar]

someone asked how to keep players on the HCL after it had run a while,
I gave an answer as to what would be required to entice
players to stick around.

also will never happen.

SSG will never willingly give away stuff they can
(at a later date) sell for big bucks if they have a cash
crunch issue.

My answer was more of a way to say, most players will not stick around
after they have got what they came for.

As long as that server is closed and wiped on a regular basis,
nobody will invest a lot of extra time in it.

It’s good thing that it’s wiped that’s what keeps players investing time in it to earn the rewards

So suggesting things that you believe are unreasonable to begin with is your bag then

[fatherpirate]

It’s good thing that it’s wiped that’s what keeps players investing time in it to earn the rewards

So suggesting things that you believe are unreasonable to begin with is your bag then

to be fair, nobody like reasonable things either.

The game and the forum are ... heavily elitist.
So most ( not all ) players here will shoot down
ANYTHING (bad or good) that does not give them
an advantage. Even if the issue being debated
has nothing to do with any of their game play will side
against it automatically based solely on the fact it does not
personally help them so it must be a waste of time
and effort that would be better spent doing something in
game that makes 'MY" characters most powerful.

[jskinner937]

to be fair, nobody like reasonable things either.

The game and the forum are ... heavily elitist.
So most ( not all ) players here will shoot down
ANYTHING (bad or good) that does not give them
an advantage. Even if the issue being debated
has nothing to do with any of their game play will side
against it automatically based solely on the fact it does not
personally help them so it must be a waste of time
and effort that would be better spent doing something in
game that makes 'MY" characters most powerful.

Normally agree, but not on this point. HCL has appeal because it is limited. A perma HCL destroys the challenge and the fun. If anything the limited time draws players back that do not even play on live anymore. If it was permanent then those players probably would not come back. There is no advantage for SSG to only draw from live server population. It is supposed to be a spin and a new challenge to enjoy.

That all being said, as I mentioned before, if there was a special currency that only dropped in HCL that can be accumulated over all seasons and redeemed on live for stuff, that could appeal to everyone. Maybe it could be exchanged for rXP stones and/or threads of fate or raid runes. Afterall, if you are spending time on a temp server, it could be said you are spending less time gaining resources on live.

[Oxarhamar]

to be fair, nobody like reasonable things either.

The game and the forum are ... heavily elitist.
So most ( not all ) players here will shoot down
ANYTHING (bad or good) that does not give them
an advantage. Even if the issue being debated
has nothing to do with any of their game play will side
against it automatically based solely on the fact it does not
personally help them so it must be a waste of time
and effort that would be better spent doing something in
game that makes 'MY" characters most powerful.

You should speak for yourself reasonable suggestions are much better than any nonsensical ones even if players are not liking it

None of your generalization is accurate if that is the attitude that you approach to the forum that's why you get out what you expect

You are posting to the forum does that make you fit your generalization

There is plenty of improvement that comes from the more serious forums feedback as well

I for one would love to see serious suggestions for HCL



Making it permanent defeats the purpose & the server would end up as dead as the regular servers after rewards are gained seasoned players are getting rewards in 2-3 days probably less for sure

[fatherpirate]

You should speak for yourself reasonable suggestions are much better than any nonsensical ones even if players are not liking it

None of your generalization is accurate if that is the attitude that you approach to the forum that's why you get out what you expect

You are posting to the forum does that make you fit your generalization

There is plenty of improvement that comes from the more serious forums feedback as well

I for one would love to see serious suggestions for HCL



Making it permanent defeats the purpose & the server would end up as dead as the regular servers after rewards are gained seasoned players are getting rewards in 2-3 days probably less for sure

I am curious, do you actually ever have ideas yourself?
no, really. I mean you chime in to shoot down peoples posts all the time,
and I guess that is your thing but have I ever seen you post an original idea yourself?
Maybe you have and I just missed it.
Just curious.

[Artos_Fabril]

New hardcore league idea:

At the end of HCL, instead of shutting down the server, ust turn off the "permadeath" feature after the scoreboards are set, and allow all players to remain if they choose, with all achievements, guilds, etc. intact. Make the completed HCL server a new "Preferred Server", and after the end of the season, allow all players to transfer their characters (up to the per-server limit) to this server as well. Let this option remain open indefinitely, until it because a de facto Megaserver, without ever having to do something so gauche as to create a megaserver and force people to move onto it.

[jskinner937]

New hardcore league idea:

At the end of HCL, instead of shutting down the server, ust turn off the "permadeath" feature after the scoreboards are set, and allow all players to remain if they choose, with all achievements, guilds, etc. intact. Make the completed HCL server a new "Preferred Server", and after the end of the season, allow all players to transfer their characters (up to the per-server limit) to this server as well. Let this option remain open indefinitely, until it because a de facto Megaserver, without ever having to do something so gauche as to create a megaserver and force people to move onto it.

No on megaserver....will create more problems than it solves. This has been discussed many times. Not many are in favor of a mege to one server (maybe smaller merges) but what people want is cross-server groups.

[Artos_Fabril]

No on megaserver....will create more problems than it solves. This has been discussed many times. Not many are in favor of a mege to one server (maybe smaller merges) but what people want is cross-server groups.

My understanding is that most people who are against a server merge don't want to lose their stuff, or get merged onto a server where they will be behind the curve (mostly in terms of guilds, but possibly also character limits, per-server unlocks, and of course first time DDO point accumulation). The beauty of this suggestion is that no one is ever forced to move, it would just become free to go where everyone else is.

[Oxarhamar]

I am curious, do you actually ever have ideas yourself?
no, really. I mean you chime in to shoot down peoples posts all the time,
and I guess that is your thing but have I ever seen you post an original idea yourself?
Maybe you have and I just missed it.
Just curious.

Guess again because I have

Thanks for asking YW

[Oxarhamar]

My understanding is that most people who are against a server merge don't want to lose their stuff, or get merged onto a server where they will be behind the curve (mostly in terms of guilds, but possibly also character limits, per-server unlocks, and of course first time DDO point accumulation). The beauty of this suggestion is that no one is ever forced to move, it would just become free to go where everyone else is.

I like this idea

Don't really care about loosing guild stuff that stuff will be back very quickly anyways

I like cross server idea also but mega server works also

[fatherpirate]

Guess again because I have

Thanks for asking YW

GREAT !
The floor is yours, what would you do for the next HCL ?
We are all ears.

[Oxarhamar]

GREAT !
The floor is yours, what would you do for the next HCL ?
We are all ears.

I don't really think that you are as I've already spoken throughout this thread on ideas that are both good & bad.

YW

[drex81]

Most likely much easier said than done, but flip all of the maps (i.e. what was on the east side is now on the west side). Break us out of autopilot for a bit in quests... see how many people continue to c&p Shadow Crypt directions from the wiki.

Could spruce up the mimic event a bit and instead of the normal looking mimics, morph them into something else. For example, a purple dinosaur or a ball of yarn to poke fun at Isle of Dread. Could also change champs into furball like oozes... named after different cat breeds.

[fatherpirate]

Serious possibilities for the next HCL
and a lot of this is dependent on what they
have already released at that point and if
they want to tie HCL to the new DLC.

(If they want to tie it to the DLC)

Expect a dino mount reward.

(If they don't want to tie it to the DLC)

maybe some kind of mixture of past HCL tricks
mimics ? or not.
some kinda HCL reaper variants?
maybe

I just don't see them doing anything ... complicated.
Now that guess I can justify, they will be up to their
eyeballs fixing the new DLC issues. I don't think
they will have the time to do anything weird.

[gravisrs]

Make HC super laggy!

[Oxarhamar]

Make HC super laggy!

Is does tend to be tye deadly bit of HCL

[fatherpirate]

Make HC super laggy!

they don't have to do anything for that ... it is built in

[Yavool]

Let's make this a Hardcore season worth remembering!

Any chest has a chance to spawn a beholder akin to the way mimics spawn. Beholders ramp with difficulty level, including appropriate N/H/E/Reaper champion possibilities.

-yav

[fatherpirate]

Just do something boring and hard.

No over leveling - your level 6 ? good,
you can no longer enter dungeons level 5.
But what about if I do it on Reapers? no
Go past the dungeon's base level and it is locked out
regardless of difficulty chosen.

and

No hirelings ... period.
Summons-yes hirelings -no


Simple - easy to implement and
hard as hell.

enjoy

[Oxarhamar]

Just do something boring and hard.

No over leveling - your level 6 ? good,
you can no longer enter dungeons level 5.
But what about if I do it on Reapers? no
Go past the dungeon's base level and it is locked out
regardless of difficulty chosen.

and

No hirelings ... period.
Summons-yes hirelings -no


Simple - easy to implement and
hard as hell.

enjoy

Doubt that they would implement the level in restriction or the hireling one

Depending on hiringlings probably makes it harder anyway they are famous for letting players die without healing or grabbing unwanted agro

While I am all for things that encourage grouping punishment for soloist is not the answer