ED setup for fire sorc?

[Tilomere]

My "solution" atm is
- 11 points in Shadowdancer (Evasion w/ 81 reflex, 30% threat redux)
- 16 points in EA (Wings, +3 enchancement DC, Mass Cure, another 30% thread redux)
- 33 points in Draconic (+3 evoc DC, +3 all DC, Mantle but without the dot (not a strong option at all), 10% spell cooldown, Energy Burst, temp hp from 3rd core)
A few more epic past lives and I can add 10% spell cooldown from SD as well.

So, far from the best offensively but Mass Cure, 60% thread redux and Evasion are nice defensively. Not having Sharadi Mantle is annoying though.

Getting to T5 in EA without wanting Mantle, Epic Strike or Turn Undead was just too cumbersome so I dropped the idea of Holy Fireball for now.

The PA healing is stronger. EA healing is based on using the mantle.. Can go 11 PA (Healing), 13 SD (Evasion + CDR), 35 Draconic Wings + DC and have 1 left over. Going from a 5 to a 4 spell rotation with 40% CDR is simpler to play as well as a large dps upgrade when 2/4 of your spells are acid well/meteor, compared to 2/5. Also updated gear for fire starff + deadringers gloves. Filling Mass Hold in as 1/4, that leaves 1/4 empty slots for epic abilities.

[Marshal_Lannes]

Ouch. Was it necessary to insult me just so you can say play whatever you like?
Also, there was no mentions of high reaper advice being sought.
Last, The question was asked of me.

What insult? I pointed out that your comments are not based on moderate to advanced reaper play where the nuance of the class matters. If one is playing only EE or R1 then simply being in the Shiradi mantle and taking whatever else you want will lead to success.

A solution involving a 33/16/11 split works around an assumption that people have 60 fate points which most do not. In regards to PA the third tier is one of the best around - 15% elemental plus poison absorption and the mega protection from elements. This is a major boon when looking to survive raids like THTH, Riding the Storm Out, or MA.

[mikarddo]

The PA healing is stronger. EA healing is based on using the mantle.. Can go 11 PA (Healing), 13 SD (Evasion + CDR), 35 Draconic Wings + DC and have 1 left over. Going from a 5 to a 4 spell rotation with 40% CDR is simpler to play as well as a large dps upgrade when 2/4 of your spells are acid well/meteor, compared to 2/5. Also updated gear for fire starff + deadringers gloves. Filling Mass Hold in as 1/4, that leaves 1/4 empty slots for epic abilities.

That setup loses out of +3 DC to either enchantment or evocation as well as 30% threat redux though.

Cocoon vs Mass Cure isnt a straightforward comparison either - single target vs group - and the additional value and problem with the small absorb on Cocoon.

Overall, being able to debate different approaches that all seem to work out decently is a positive.

[krimsonrane]

What insult? I pointed out that your comments are not based on moderate to advanced reaper play where the nuance of the class matters. If one is playing only EE or R1 then simply being in the Shiradi mantle and taking whatever else you want will lead to success.

A solution involving a 33/16/11 split works around an assumption that people have 60 fate points which most do not. In regards to PA the third tier is one of the best around - 15% elemental plus poison absorption and the mega protection from elements. This is a major boon when looking to survive raids like THTH, Riding the Storm Out, or MA.

The OP never said a thing about reaper. Then, you assumed you know what I play while answering a question directed at me.
You could have just left me out of of it.

As to the content of your unsolicited reply, I really doubt if an unspecced tiefling with a single clickie can compare to an acid specced sorc using acid based spells.

[mikarddo]

I wouldn't go fire. To many things are immune or resistant. Acid would be best. I was a fire sorc and that's the reason I'm an acid sorc now.

I may just try that at some point. I appreciate the input. I do not find the immunities to be a major concern though with the capstone mostly negating it in particular when opening with Meteor Swarm.

[Marshal_Lannes]

The OP never said a thing about reaper. Then, you assumed you know what I play while answering a question directed at me.
You could have just left me out of of it.

As to the content of your unsolicited reply, I really doubt if an unspecced tiefling with a single clickie can compare to an acid specced sorc using acid based spells.

You state countless times that you don't play reaper. There is no assumption being made. As for Tiefling, I direct you to Infernal Sovereign Acid. All your acid casts as fire. So yes, they are nearly as effective as your Earth Savant lacking only the spell crit bonus from the Earth Savant enhancement tree.

[LurkingVeteran]

That setup loses out of +3 DC to either enchantment or evocation as well as 30% threat redux though.

Cocoon vs Mass Cure isnt a straightforward comparison either - single target vs group - and the additional value and problem with the small absorb on Cocoon.

Overall, being able to debate different approaches that all seem to work out decently is a positive.

Some more theory crafting:

- Fire: Another option is Aasimar and going Shiradi mantle instead of a healing ED. This isn't as versatile healing obviously, but it's an option if you want more damage out of Meteor (I assume it can proc multiple times). Tiefling is still likely best for the Fire+Acid build above due to the convenient dual spell power but Shiradi is so tempting.

- Water: Aasimar with SD/DI/Shiradi with Stay Frosty might also be a good choice for max single target DPS Water Savants, assuming the issues with DI proc stacking above remain. You don't really need the CD reduction as badly on this build though (because even MM/CM/Frostlance and Polar Ray with Stay Frosty should hit like a truck for low sp), so skipping SD and going armor would free up a lot of choices for these builds. I still think Meteor is worth casting due to Stay Frosty procs.

- Air: No idea what the best Air Savant DPS build is, if there even is one. I wonder if Shiradi can proc twice on lightning bolt, in that case Aasimar with Shiradi might be my best bet for that as well. Any ideas here?

- An exotic experiment would be Air Savant with the Shout boosts from Fatesinger (you can crank up *Shout caster levels to 33 and almost get a pure *Shout rotation, with 50% extra damage bringing it up to ~320 average base dmg per cast). Obviously this would be more of a sonic than elec caster and build everything around two close-range fort spells. For this you probably need DB +evo and I have no idea how to fit Fatesinger into typical sorc EDs.

I really wish there was more support in DDO for Savants other than Fire (low to mid reaper pugs) or Water (raiding). These two basically get everything good in their niche and synergies the best with EDs. Air is incompatible with both SL9 AoEs and Acid doesn't even have any spells with modern spell dice between SL3 and SL9.

EDIT: Which crit mult does shiradi procs use anyway? I'm pretty sure it uses the trigger spell crit %, but not sure about mult.

[krimsonrane]

You state countless times that you don't play reaper. There is no assumption being made. As for Tiefling, I direct you to Infernal Sovereign Acid. All your acid casts as fire. So yes, they are nearly as effective as your Earth Savant lacking only the spell crit bonus from the Earth Savant enhancement tree.

I started trying reaper about a year ago. On the build I have I've been soloing all of feywild, RL, and, sharn on r1-2. I could probably go up to r3-4 but prefer not to stress myself out.