An interesting thought experiment. What quests would you get rid of?

[Kebtid]

Dryad and the demigod, worst raid in ddo.
Defiler of just, 2nd worst in raid.
Saltmarsh, worst pack in ddo, boring, stale, ripoff sold as half expansion full price or whatever they call it.
Wheloon and stormhorns, full content deleted and nuked from orbit, and remade into a actual epic arc without giving me epilepsy attacks.

[LightBear]

Other changes I'd like to see:
Hard lockout of quests, makes grouping late impossible.
Chains not being more than one level apart, some quest arcs are 6(?) levels apart, that's just way to much.
The boring quest that involve guarding a door.
More unbeatable monsters at level, if you want to come back waaaaay over level just even up the score that's fine. On an optional path of course.
Things that make you question your faith in a certain deity, be it actions you're asked to perform, stories being told or objects used to reach a goal.
Plot twists, like Suulomades being up for good after all or something among those lines.

[Jerevth]

Maybe don't remove any quests at all?
Some are turned off, maybe some new ones are turned on- it could be a six month rotation. (Perhaps Free-to-play quests only)
Keep a schedule for what's going offline/coming online and coming online so no one is caught off guard.

[mutantspacegoat]

I wouldn't want to see anything gotten rid of, but there are many quests I habitually avoid:
1. Quests on a timer
2. Quests that require a group
3. Quests with objectives like "don't let so-and-so get killed/don't let such-and-such be destroyed"
4. Quests where I spend the majority of my time just trying to figure out how to get to where I need to go
5. Quests with lots of precision jumping

[Logicman69]

Dryad and the demigod, worst raid in ddo.
Defiler of just, 2nd worst in raid.
Saltmarsh, worst pack in ddo, boring, stale, ripoff sold as half expansion full price or whatever they call it.
Wheloon and stormhorns, full content deleted and nuked from orbit, and remade into a actual epic arc without giving me epilepsy attacks.

See, I love Dryad and the Demigod. Its a simple raid, but I love the music in that (probably one of the best musical tracks in DDO, IMO). The dance mechanic in a little awkward at first, but easy enough to get around (kind of forces you to pay attention). All in All, I enjoy it. Its definitely not the worst raid in DDO. I think that award would have to go to Titan (go run that, and you will quickly see why that is the worst). 2nd runner up is definitely Defilier. 3rd in my book is probably Shroud. Not because its not a bad raid design (quite the opposite), but it gets 3rd solely on performance (its an instant lag fest.. every time.. all the time).

Though I think the topic of "Best and Worst Raid in DDO" is another topic for fun.

I'll agree what Wheloon needs a rework to be less visually annoying. but removal? Can you remove content that someone paid money for? Would SSG have to reimburse everyone that paid for that expansion if it was removed? Would they give you a credit toward the next expansion?

[Logicman69]

Maybe don't remove any quests at all?
Some are turned off, maybe some new ones are turned on- it could be a six month rotation. (Perhaps Free-to-play quests only)
Keep a schedule for what's going offline/coming online and coming online so no one is caught off guard.

Hey.. I like that idea. What if we had a customizable quest list. You can only have X amount of quest active at a time, but YOU select what quests you have active. So if DDO had 500 total quests (I'm making up numbers here), but only 350 can be active at a time. This would allow everyone to customize their own story arc. There are limitations here. You wouldn't be able to turn on just a Raid without also turning on all the quests needed to flag that raid. Same with quests that need others to be run first in order to complete them (Can't take "Reach for the Sky" without turning on the rest of Sharn). Its an interesting idea.

Again.. we are just theory crafting and speculating here. This is in no way a serious conversation and should not be taken as such. Its all in good fun.

[Cantor]

I'll agree what Wheloon needs a rework to be less visually annoying. but removal? Can you remove content that someone paid money for? Would SSG have to reimburse everyone that paid for that expansion if it was removed? Would they give you a credit toward the next expansion?

I don't know why shadowfell still gets such a bad rep. I get that it's an expansion with no raid, but the quests are good. I run wheeloon every life. There is one quest in the whole expansion with visual problems and people are like the whole thing is trash.

Also people forget that heroic tress was part of that expansion.

[Logicman69]

I don't know why shadowfell still gets such a bad rep. I get that it's an expansion with no raid, but the quests are good. I run wheeloon every life. There is one quest in the whole expansion with visual problems and people are like the whole thing is trash.

Also people forget that heroic tress was part of that expansion.

I actually ran it this last life, and its definitely not "bad". For me the shadow visuals when it goes all purple really throws me. I'd like to see that toned down a bit, and update the loot to be more in line with the newer stuff. I'd like to see the explorer area get a little rework as it is confusing, or change the guide to accept plat instead of astral shards. The XP is good at level. I remember Through a Mirror Darkly being one of the better XP/Minute quests if you had a group.

For me it just needs a slight overhaul (most of Eveningstar does, IMO).

[Oxarhamar]

I actually ran it this last life, and its definitely not "bad". For me the shadow visuals when it goes all purple really throws me. I'd like to see that toned down a bit, and update the loot to be more in line with the newer stuff. I'd like to see the explorer area get a little rework as it is confusing, or change the guide to accept plat instead of astral shards. The XP is good at level. I remember Through a Mirror Darkly being one of the better XP/Minute quests if you had a group.

For me it just needs a slight overhaul (most of Eveningstar does, IMO).

The lag in wheloon prison is next level

Yes tone down the effects

[Oxarhamar]

I wouldn't want to see anything gotten rid of, but there are many quests I habitually avoid:
1. Quests on a timer
2. Quests that require a group
3. Quests with objectives like "don't let so-and-so get killed/don't let such-and-such be destroyed"
4. Quests where I spend the majority of my time just trying to figure out how to get to where I need to go
5. Quests with lots of precision jumping

I use to really enjoy the one in the sands

Caravan protection quest

But it’s still doable but on reaper it’s rediculous

Why we didn’t get Reaper Tangleroot but we got reaper protection quests

[Aelonwy]

I actually ran it this last life, and its definitely not "bad". For me the shadow visuals when it goes all purple really throws me. I'd like to see that toned down a bit, and update the loot to be more in line with the newer stuff. I'd like to see the explorer area get a little rework as it is confusing, or change the guide to accept plat instead of astral shards. The XP is good at level. I remember Through a Mirror Darkly being one of the better XP/Minute quests if you had a group.

For me it just needs a slight overhaul (most of Eveningstar does, IMO).

There is a work around to the purple haze of vision destruction... turn off Post Processing Effects in the Advanced Graphics UI. I do it every time I run Wheloon/WGU. I get migraines and the Shadowfell effect, while it does not trigger them exactly... does give me eye strain which certainly doesn't help.

I actually, really enjoy most of those quests except Thrill of the Hunt (Shadar Kai + Howler BS lasts too long), Breaking the Ranks (Shadar Kai + Dragon dmg with no way to take out the dragon), and to a lesser extent Lines of Supply because who knew Gnolls had Cheetah blood?

I do have issues with Through a Mirror Darkly when the game is extra laggy, I've DCed and lost my mirror and you can't run that quest without it so I either have to pike or restart and it aggrieves me greatly when that happens.

Any rework of Shadowfell should include a reduction to the Howler effect timer or a means to remove it like remove curse etc, a permanent Mirror that we get on quest entry and can discard by choice when the quest is over and an option to slay the Dragon in Breaking the Ranks.

[yfernbottom]

Having too many quests is like having too many days to live. If I could TR 3 times in a row and never play the same quest twice it would be digital D&D nirvana.

This.

There are quite a few quests that need to be revamped. But more content is always better, especially in a game designed around running through 1-30 100+ times as a means of character progression.

True Story: In Destiny II they decided to "retire" about half the content in the game when they released the Beyond the Light expansion. I had only been playing for about a month at the time and had not yet set foot on even half of the planets they got rid of. I was so ****ed off I uninstalled and never went back. It was a pretty fun game, but I am not going to put my time into anything where the devs might randomly decide to set half the game on fire to force us to buy and play the newer content.

[yfernbottom]

There is a work around to the purple haze of vision destruction... turn off Post Processing Effects in the Advanced Graphics UI. I do it every time I run Wheloon/WGU. I get migraines and the Shadowfell effect, while it does not trigger them exactly... does give me eye strain which certainly doesn't help.

I actually, really enjoy most of those quests except Thrill of the Hunt (Shadar Kai + Howler BS lasts too long), Breaking the Ranks (Shadar Kai + Dragon dmg with no way to take out the dragon), and to a lesser extent Lines of Supply because who knew Gnolls had Cheetah blood?

I do have issues with Through a Mirror Darkly when the game is extra laggy, I've DCed and lost my mirror and you can't run that quest without it so I either have to pike or restart and it aggrieves me greatly when that happens.

Any rework of Shadowfell should include a reduction to the Howler effect timer or a means to remove it like remove curse etc, a permanent Mirror that we get on quest entry and can discard by choice when the quest is over and an option to slay the Dragon in Breaking the Ranks.

I quite enjoy this content too. It does have some rough edges that need to be smoothed. But it's an interesting story and the heart of one of the game's first expansions.

[karatemack]

Lynnable stated that DDO is starting to have too many quests.

Have a link with timestamp by chance?

I would hope that we aren't going to run out of content when we're on the verge of adding another 10 levels to the game.

[kmoustakas]

There's a number of 'fake' quests and a number of quests that take place in the exact same area with the exact same monsters. Threnal is the worst offender by far, tangleroot, co6. Then challenges have to go for sure. They were a great idea initially but now they are bygones.

[Tyrande]

Slave lords. Boring quests. Basically:

1. Walk 40 feet
2. Pack of mobs in a nice grid shape spawn
3. Go to step 1.

Hey, do not get rid of Slave Lords. I like those, and I still have left over items to craft from there. Slave Lords crafting is one of the better flexible crafting systems.
If you do not like the mobs layout, maybe change the layout.

I would suggest to get rid of TOEE I & II, however. They are super long and low XP. Move the voice over, slayer XP and mushrooms to Slave Lords instead.

[Alrik_Fassbauer]

There's a number of 'fake' quests and a number of quests that take place in the exact same area with the exact same monsters. Threnal is the worst offender by far, tangleroot, co6. Then challenges have to go for sure. They were a great idea initially but now they are bygones.

For whom ? For which target group [of players] ?

[Artos_Fabril]

For whom ? For which target group [of players] ?

Everyone with enough reaper points to say "R1 is easier than elite"

[LightBear]

Diversity is a good thing, so my favor is not removing anything.
If nothing else the bad quests make the rest of quest look good instead of all of them appearing to be mediocre.

The video post effects being a thing isn't just that over the top purple glow.
Often I can't see anything when in a dark quest when playing on a saturday afternoon and it's sunny outside.

[OldSchoolDNDGuy82]

That is an interesting thought. There are some that I feel are a little too long. If anything I'd say we need to shorten some quests. However, if I had to choose one I would say Madstone Crater. I'm not really a fan of trying to keep NPCs above half their health. In fact I hate escorts quests all-together, which isn't what Madstone Crater is but it's close enough that I'd want get rid of it if given the chance.